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So, Gio Gonzalez, it's up to you to come through with a big performance tonight. It's also up to the lineup to get something going against the winless Shaun Marcum after last night's lifeless showing against Dillon Gee.
The Nationals have yet another new face in their bullpen tonight. With Stephen Strasburg officially placed on the 15-day DL, left-hander Xavier Cedeno has been promoted from Class AAA Syracuse. Cedeno, claimed off waivers from Houston after the season began, doesn't figure to be here long. The Nationals will need to call up Ross Ohlendorf on Saturday to start against the Twins, so somebody else will have to be dropped before then.
Updates to come, please check back...
NEW YORK METS at WASHINGTON NATIONALS
Where: Nationals Park
Gametime: 7:05 p.m. EDT
TV: MASN, MLB.tv
Radio: WJFK (106.7 FM), WFED (1500), XM 185
Weather: Chance of rain, 70 degrees, Wind 13 mph RF to LF
NATIONALS (29-30)
CF Denard Span
RF Jayson Werth
3B Ryan Zimmerman
1B Adam LaRoche
SS Ian Desmond
2B Anthony Rendon
LF Steve Lombardozzi
C Kurt Suzuki
LHP Gio Gonzalez
METS (23-33)
LF Evan Turner
2B Daniel Murphy
3B David Wright
RF Marlon Byrd
C John Buck
1B Ike Davis
CF Juan Lagares
SS Omar Quintanilla
RHP Shaun Marcum
UMPIRES
HP Tim McClelland (cc)
1B Marvin Hudson
2B Wally Bell
3B Marty Foster
6:30 p.m. — As you can see from the updating photo above, it's raining here and the tarp is on the field. So, the start of tonight's game is officially delayed. No word on a potential starting time, but this frontal system is supposed to stick around through late tomorrow, so it obviously doesn't look real good. I'll update if and when I hear anything else.
103 comments:
Lombo in left field instead of Shark again...against a RHP no less. Interesting.
If Friday is rained out, though (which looks likely), they'll be able to call up Ohlendorf for a Saturday double header without sending anyone down, right?
Eric -- well, at least in the past, Lombo has hit better from the right side than the left. But I take your meaning re Shark, though the simpler explanation is BA. Nats' need for offense is more dire than any other consideration, and Lombo has been the RBI man lately. I'd suspect Davey still has Shark's Saturday night 9th inning fail in mind vs Lombo's three GW sac flies since last Friday.
lawrence,
yep, the team could have a 26 man roster on the days of double headers.
an off-day monday would allow the team to have everyone pitch on normal rest until next sturday, jun 15, when detwiler could make his first start since being placed on the DL. i believe the plan is to have det pitch on rehab on monday, so he too would be on 4 days rest if he were to pitch next saturday.
Probably, Eddie, but Shark has been getting better and better lately it seems like. Didn't he hit a double off the bench last night?
Continuing the discussion from the previous post, since I kind of poked a finger in that hornet's nest by doing a little research for Ghost:
I think one of the things that leads to the self-back patting that some find distasteful is the tendency of people to personalize disagreements and insist that those with a differing view don't know what they're talking about. So when someone calls you a "dim bulb" for thinking that Rendon could play 2B in the majors without a full year at the position in the minors, it's understandable that you'd want to remind that someone, if he were still here, that you were right and he was wrong.
Last year, I took the position that Storen would not reclaim his closer spot immediately upon returning from the DL because Clip had performed so admirably and for so long in his absence. A certain poster disagreed, and several others agreed with him. But that certain poster took it a step further and rather than just express his opinion and support it, he repeatedly ridiculed me, saying I had no idea what I was talking about. So you're damn right I'd like to remind him that I was right and he was wrong, as I'm doing right now if he's reading this under whatever his current pseudonym is.
On the other hand, if the disagreement is civil and in the spirit of sharing opinions and knowledge and maybe even learning something from each other and having a few laughs, there's no need to settle scores.
Pray for rain...
Gonna need at least 7 innings, Gio. No pressure!
Not thrilled about Lombo in left field; his performance yesterday was...not great. Not that it made the difference in that game or anything, though, of course.
To be clear, I'm not advocating for Shark over Lombo, per se, it's just interesting how differently things play out than I might expect them to.
My little Wonkling graduated HS last night. The family, the in-laws, and two of her friends have tickets for Sec 314, Row G tonight. Hope to meet some of our peeps from here!
EmDash, I agree on Lombo's outfield skills. I woudn't mind seeing him platoon or alternate with Rendon at 2B until we see which of them is swinging a more productive bat. The Shark plays a very good left field, and seems to be heating up a bit, so I'd be ok with him at that position until Harper returns.
If tonight and tomorrow get rained out, with the off-day monday, would that mean Gio and Karns go saturday, zimm sunday and then Haren Tuesday with no Ohlendorf with detwiler and Harper on the horizon? cause that would be very welcome news.
Congrats to the Wonkling!
Wonk, what a perfect way to celebrate the graduation! Congratulations to you all, and may the Nats give you something extra to celebrate about.
I, too, was wondering about the Shark being kept out of the line up tonight. He has been coming on lately. Though so has Lombo.
I was wondering how tomorrow's almost certainly cancelled game would play. Loooong day at the ball park Saturday. They'll clear people out of the make-up game to get them in for the afternoon game and concert.
I hope Gio is flawless and the rest of the guys have some bat mojo going on. HOW LONG till we get the kid back? Man, is it bleak without him.
Winless?
The Nats have a way of making pitchers who are washed up veterans, winless or 5th starters in the rotation look like Cy Young candidates.
Also surprised Bernadina didn't get the start.
Oddities of the day
- How often does this_ happen Kyle Seager hit a two-strike, two-out, grand-slam in the bottom of the 14th, for the Mariners, in a losing effort!! White Sox-Mariners were scoreless after 13. Both teams scored 5 in the 14th. Sox ended up winning 7-5 in 16 innings. (Adam Dunn was the only player to play the entire game without getting a hit. He went 0-4 -- but he did get four walks, 3 of them intentional) (And how often does a relief pitcher surrender 5 runs and get the win!)
- Astros hit six HR's in the first four innings (and they weren't hitting against Haren)
- D-Backs' 35-year old Willie Bloomquist went 2-for-4. And lowered his BA to .611 (ok, it's only 20 plate appearances, but it sounds cool)
- The Nationals’ run differential (-34) is worse than the Cubs’, Royals’, and Angels’ combined (-28)
- RA Dickey hit an RBI double that scored 41 year-old catcher Henry Blanco from first. That must've been some kind of slow-motion running!
- Last night for the Mariners: Juan Pierre had more career plate appearances than the other eight men in their lineup by over 6,000
- Cards' Yadier Molina is tied for the team lead with five stolen base attempts
"Last year, I took the position that Storen would not reclaim his closer spot immediately upon returning from the DL because Clip had performed so admirably and for so long in his absence. A certain poster disagreed, and several others agreed with him. But that certain poster took it a step further and rather than just express his opinion and support it, he repeatedly ridiculed me, saying I had no idea what I was talking about. So you're damn right I'd like to remind him that I was right and he was wrong, as I'm doing right now if he's reading this under whatever his current pseudonym is."
So he told you that you didn't know what you were talking about, and now you want to tell him that he didn't know what he was talking about? And this makes you more civil than him how?
And riddle me this, Batman. If you express the opposite opinion from someone else, aren't you implicitly saying that you're right and they're wrong? (Unless of course you like to express opinions that you don't personally believe in just to spark arguments, which is always a possibility.) So what is so bad about someone else asserting that their opinion is right? You act like you've been mortally wounded if someone happens to disagree with your opinion. No one is keeping score here, you know. Except those who like to think that they're always right.
JaneB said...
Wonk, what a perfect way to celebrate the graduation! Congratulations to you all, and may the Nats give you something extra to celebrate about.
Thanks, JaneB. We were bummed when Stras was DL'd -- but happy for this game when Gio was announced. Now we just need some good-enough weather.
Yes -- the Wonkling is thrilled as two of her favorite things of all-time are happening: (a) no HS homework (forever); and (b) watching a Nats game.
BTW -- note to all -- after Stras got scratched, I got the tix, and they were $12.50 each (!!). For Sec 314 (from nationals.com it wuold have cost $26/ea plus some extra add-on costs).
Right now there are dozens of tix there for $10 or less (I would guess due to the weather report?)
Harper to see Dr. James Andrews. per Mark:
Mark Zuckerman @ZuckermanCSN 3m
#Nats still insist Harper's injury is bursitis, not worse. Surgery to remove bursa sac would be last resort, would add several weeks to recovery
Ghost - I was with you on your thoughts on Rendon and have been abused by "p++++c" as much as anyone. Just let it go. You were right, he was wrong. We all are aware of it. To ask for the links and then post those links again was just overkill in my opinion. I did not say anything negative about you, I just don't need to have it brought up time and time again. Keep supplying us with good inside info and we will all be the better for it. Keep reminding us who said it first and it suffers.
Go Nats!!
All the M's position players played all 16 innings. No one came off the bench.
"I was wondering how tomorrow's almost certainly cancelled game would play. Loooong day at the ball park Saturday. They'll clear people out of the make-up game to get them in for the afternoon game and concert."
More likely they would play two on Sunday.
Going to see Dr. Andrews? No wonder he was worried.
Well, I was going to repost a comment from the end of the last thread, because it's so important everyone reads it, but now I'm too tired to paste.
The really scary thing about all this is if this really is the #1 place to discuss the Nats, and we're spending this much time, for the eleventy-teenth time, going over how to talk in here. No wonder (almost) all the interesting posters have left.
"Ghost Of Steve M. said...
Bryce not coming off DL soon. Flying to see Dr. Andrews"
Why not? The guy did wonders with RG3. Will Andrews wear a fuzzy ball ski cap in Nats colors while he sees Bryce?
Good grief, groovy guys and gals.peric seems to have withered away.I, for one, won't miss him. The guy really had it in for me. I almost quit reading this blog because of his crap, but I wouldn't give him the satisfaction. And,Coach 308, you were just as guilty as Jack and I were at poking the bear! The quality of the blog should go up now. It's up to us to see that it does. Ghost, you're still here. peric's not. Just enjoy it, and move on.
Congrats to the Wonkling. She is as lovely in person as in her texts! Good going.
So he told you that you didn't know what you were talking about, and now you want to tell him that he didn't know what he was talking about? And this makes you more civil than him how?
Speaking for 222, I think the answer is: well, yeah, sort of.
I'm sure if 222 and whatisname disagreed civilly about it at the time, 222 wouldn't be thinking about it now.
But whatisname ranted, raved, screamed, insulted, acted arrogantly, did it all publicly, and made it personal. It's human nature to feel stung by stuff like that. And it's human nature to want to see an arrogant character who acts bad and thinks he knows-it-all be shows that he, in fact, was wrong and doesn't know-it-all.
All that said, I'm not necessarily defending all that's going on here. While it's human nature to want to call out the bad guys -- that doesn't mean one can't strive to be above it.
222 wasn't stooping to his level -- but he was stooping a bit. Let's rise above it. That's what I try to teach Wonkling.
I, too, was on the receiving end of some nasty comments from whatisname. However, I'm trying my best to move on, rather than trying to prove he was wrong (anyone remember his months-long assertion that "Werth = expensive bench player" -- ooops, I'm doing it . . . ;-) )
In the bigger picture, this place has had a much, much, nicer tone in the past week. Let's move on and interact with each other on a higher plane.
Life is good. DC has a baseball team after decades of baseball emptiness.
Can we get a redo on 2013?
Shawn Marcum is a junkballer type, which tends to be difficult for the team more than normal. Of the Nats players who've faced him, Zimm and LaRoche have very positive track records, everyone else little to no success.
Despite his poor ERA, his FIP is much better - 3.21. Good strike-out to walk ratio, low number of home runs. That indicates he's been fairly unlucky so far. Let's hope that continues. *g*
And if I'm repeating above comments -- I'll buy you beers tonight!!
David Proctor said...
Can we get a redo on 2013?
Mulligan! What a great idea!!
EmDash said...
Shawn Marcum is a junkballer type ... [stats stats] indicates he's been fairly unlucky so far.
Oy! I _hate_ the sound of that!!
There is a post about Bryce. Just fix him .
Rendon is going to be a keeper. As horrible as 2013 is going to end up, the Nats could return in 2013 as a true contender if they follow Mick's 7 steps:
1) Go with Rendon at 2b the duration of this season with Lombo backing him up.
2) When Espi is 100% if ever, give him one last shot..if he still is the same, trade his ass in the winter of 2014
3) Rest Stras, Det and Bryce as long as it takes. STOP playing injured players!
4) Focus should be on finding a REAL 5th pitcher, free agent or what we may have. Haren is Terrible, get his sorry ass out of here! I would also find a back up for Werth because Jayson will never play in 100 games again, he is too injury prone and getting older...maybe Tyler Moore is that guy or maybe Lombo... the Shark will never be that guy
5) I would also focus on finding 2 more relief pitchers
6) I would fire the medical and training staff and get new blood in here, the guys we have now SUCK
7) Most important, get a young and progressive manager when Davey leaves who will hire his own batting coach. Eck is a Zero and if Rizzo is not back, please hire a guy who is honest and not full of s--- like this bald headed stooge
I meant 2014 return
Ah Caps Fan. I was wondering when you'd out yourself as Feel's latest reincarnation. You'd been keeping your recognizable personality under wraps pretty well so far. What a strange moniker to pick though.
And since you'll probably deny any connection with Feel/prAA/Tony/Rich P./Harpo, riddle me this: How do you have any idea whether anyone is keeping score if the first time you posted here was May 25? Oh ok, you've been reading religiously and holding your tongue for years, and then 11 days ago you decided to jump into the fray and become a regular poster. Yeah right.
Seems we never got out of sprong training mode except series 1, but that was the Msrlins and hardly counted.
I am with David lets get a mulligan on 2013 abnd start over.
Section 222 and DC Wonk, perhaps you should name names instead of continuing to complain about "what's his name." Because I think you're complaining about different people here. Section 222 is good at looking things up, so perhaps he could produce one of those oh so uncivil comments his "what's his name" made so you could compare it to the way you were insulted by your "what's his name." That way you could be sure that you guys are talking about the same boogeyman.
My predictions... you can raz me all you want if I am wrong, unfortunately, I will not be... Nats will get blasted tonight but may score 2-3 runs...Twins and Rockies will sweep us and we will be 8 under 500, fans will begin to boo by the the end of Twins series. Nats will have a worst record than the 2010 team did at the same time of the season. Nats will end up losing 85-88 games and finish ahead of the last place Marlins. A new GM, manager and medical staff will propel the Nats back to 90 wins in 2014...that is why I am optimistic in the long term. In the short term, the team's garbage meaning both a few players and its management and the injuries are just too much to overcome
Thanks for the backup Wonk. And for the call to rise above it. I'll try to do better. If mick can do it, I can.
And I'll see you tonight in 314, weather permitting!
"How do you have any idea whether anyone is keeping score if the first time you posted here was May 25?"
You're obviously keeping score if you know that the first time I posted here was May 25th. I couldn't even have told you that, and I wouldn't ever have bothered to look it up. Are you that great scorer that the poem says is going to write against our names?
Caps fan... there are those in here who have some issues...meaning, ANY negative comment, regardless of how evident of fact based it is will met by a legion of holier than anyone else. This is how they try to intimidate free thought and feelings fans have on the team You have to march in lock step with them. The worst part is, there are those who take and "cherry pick" a comment and twist it... another words they flat out lie about what you post
my advice is follow Dice Clay... tell them to b--- you lol
Mick dont give up on 2013. If we win 15 of 20 at the same time Atlanta wins 7 of 20 we arr even again.
We do need to start putting strings together.
Of course I am the ultimate optomist.
You're always so optimistic, mick...
The Harper news is my only real concern. If he's out for a very extended period...well. There's obviously not a possible backup plan for missing a lot of time from Bryce Harper; every potential replacement is going to be a massive dropoff.
if Rizzo is not back, please hire a guy who is honest and not full of s--- like this bald headed stooge...
Whoa, there, Mick. Do you have any idea how bad a mess the Nats were in before Rizzo had control? Don't you remember two 100+ loss seasons (dude, 100 losses is a *lot*)?
And _do_ you remember the awful shape the minor league system was in after MLB's ownership raided the cubby and left it close to bare?
(And that's not even counting the disastrous Dominican Republic major minor-league mess)
Rizzo has done wonders. You can't build a great team *with* great depth overnight. Heck, most people can't build a solid team out of the dregs that the Nats were at all!
So what time do you think it will be when we get our first draft pick? If he is a pitcher I hope he signs fast because we may need him at some point this season. Not quite the sane without that high pick with Stras, Harper, Giolito, right?
Leaving for game now! Hope to see you "222" -- and whoever else wanders by!
Feel/etc./Caps Fan, I try to do research to back up my assertions, which is how I know you first posted on May 25. It's really not hard to do. But I'm happy to name names, all of them. I'm talking about you, whether you post as Feel Wood or any of your other pseudonyms that I mentioned above. At the time of our Storen/Clipp debate, you were prAA, and you offended plenty of commenters other than me. I'm not going to post examples of your incivility, but anyone who wants to read some of them (though I'm pretty sure no one does) can go to this link.
Welcome back though. As I've said several times before, you obviously know a lot about baseball and care about the Nats. We might even be friends, if you weren't so intent on being enemies. I might even at some point stop asking you how the crow tasted.
In the bigger picture, this place has had a much, much, nicer tone in the past week.
Here's a smaller picture to pass the time until the next time.
Rizzo has done wonders.
Be fair, Wonk; Rizzo picked a fight with him when he ... uh, wait, it'll come to me...
I don't understand the point of recalling past slights, or mining the record to show who predicted what first.
Can't we just let it go and try to enjoy ourselves?
To that end, sorry Wonk, we won't make it to Nats Parkt tonight. My wife and I are in Denver this week and we're about to get our first look at Coors Field.
I hope CarGo and Tulo calm down before the Nats arrive. In Cincy last night, those two combined for 9 hits and 9 RBIs.
There is so much going on right now with the Nats that is unhappy. I come here to help cope with it. Help me, please. Let's not make it any worse than it is. Dr. Andrews. Brrrr. Scary.
Time to bring up Corey Brown
Is Corey Brown an upgrade over Bernadina, TyMo or Lombo is the big question.
They have already said that there is no structural damage to the knee which is the good news. The bad news would be if these bursa sacs have to be removed as he won't be back until the beginning of July.
Sounds like the perfect time to bring up Brown and see what he can do.
Perhaps-- he is a natural outfielder , but so is Bernadina. He is swinging a hot bat-- for now, but maybe so is Bernie and how long will it last? If Werth was still out and we needed two of them , maybe. If Lombo was giving up winning runs, then maybe. All things considered it's a definite maybe.
As long as Bryce has been out he is still right up there in home runs for the NL.
Wait, I found it.
Homáge to absent posters ...
Question:
We have tix for tomorrow's game, which looks like it will be rained out.
And we're leaving town for the weekend Saturday am, won't be back until Monday pm.
If they play a doubleheader Saturday, are we screwed?
Candide, if a game is rained out and you can't use your rain check for the makeup game, under the new/old rainout policy you can exchange that raincheck for an equivalent ticket to a future game. Subject to availability, of course.
Candide, IIRC that was the point of changing (back) the rainout policy. You are supposed (once again) to get to exchange it for another 2013 game, subject to availability.
When would DBl header be. Game suppose to start at 4pm. and concert after. And no I think you could use those Friday tickets anytime for another game. If those seats are available.
Thanks. Was thinking we'd have to offer to sell them, 'cuz I was looking at the ticket and it says to hold onto it so it can be used when the makeup game is played. Never been rained out before, so I wasn't up on the policy.
So thanks again!
(And Sec. 3, I think you owe Caps Fan a drink, but you can put it on my tab if you like...)
3 times the charm Candide. you have your answer.
Dang.
That's one for the NIDO kitty, I guess...
You too, SWM...
Nats cant hit
and that is INSANE
After last nights game
Im praying for RAIN
Robert Frost
As of right now, anyone praying for rain is getting their wish.
Are you all talking about rain today (Thursday) or Friday? I thought Andrea was still down in Florida, maybe Georgia.
Boo. I'm at stadium praying for not rain
And I just got my wish. Temporarily. Just stopped raining.
I don't get why people were rooting for rain. I would rather them play today with a chance to make things right than have to dwell on last night's blowout for another day. That's what makes baseball so great. There's always a game the next day.
Doubt they get the game in though.
Guys-- they have no reason to schedule a double header this weekend. You only have to do that with a team that won't be back. They can schedule it for later in the season.
radar not looking good ladies and germs...
This game is Ovahhhhhh
and in other news, boston fans chant
Hopper to the Hopper
222. If you here, we are siting at picnic bench right under the 314/315 sign. My m-in-law is wearing a cute pink Nats hat.
If game is cancelled, watch Key Largo with bogart, becall, Robinson, Barrymore...great hurricane movie to start the beginning of the season
Guess I'll watch the draft. If they ever STOP TALKING.
Oh, we have listen to Selig??? GRRRR. Key Largo, love that movie, great idea.
What channel? Bored already. Get this storm over with so the rest of the weekend can go. Selig. Ugh. I do like the young guys reactions, though. Gonna take forever til we get one. No more guy in the studio- beginning of the show for us!
I feel badly for one of Wonkling's friends who came with her tonight. She's been getting into the Nats and uncontrollably excited. I just learned why: this is her first MLB game ever. :-(
Parked in the neighborhood by the stadium before we waste $25 on parking if they don't play the game.
WHAT??? Harold Reynolds just said Appel could be in the majors by next month. NO. WAY.
Oh man, Wonk! I'm so sorry!!
Do they like Pizza Wonk,
We, the Pizza on Capital hill is great fun.
And speaking of oddities, did I hear that no one scored in the white sox game for the first 14 innings ? The first time that has happened ?
I thought everything has happened by now.
oh, I have net flix and amazon for Key Largo, you can watch it at my house with Slim the dog ;)
Wonk, that IS an awful drag. A little ballpark atmosphere is small consolation.
JaneB -- doing the Metro equivalent of what you're doing -- waiting inside the Metro fare gates for the decision to come through on Twitter.
Wonk, I'm afraid I live close enough to the stadium that it had started raining before I left so I decided to wait and see. Looks bleak for tonight, but if they announce a start time, I'll head over. Fingers crossed.
The #nats announce that tonight's game has been postponed.
Actually, I'm working. If the game is delayed past 9 Pm I could make it there.
Yep, MLB announced Postponed
Nats had a good matchup with Gio vs Marcum. That's a shame.
You can blame me. I washed the car yesterday.
No play. Great for us as we will make it up later in the season when we have to be stronger than we are now. I am hearing heavy rain through morning- afternoon so maybe we get Friday in. Can't see how they can adjust schedules at all on Sat/ Sun and that is it for the Twinkies here. Better to have tonight cancelled. Might not need that other pitcher now.
Ian Kennedy vs Shawn Miller (ariz vs stl) also good matchup
cards have 4 players with a 7 game hit streak or more ?
i like that hitting coach too
that would be good news for the good guys, swammi
so if they get postponed tomorrow, do we get to use det next week so that we have gio,karns,zimm,harren,det ???
so the Mets can leave now. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Hey- we haven't lost the series- it's tied.
Det is pitching Potomac I think Saturday. Then five days after that with the team if all goes well. But we won't have to call up Ohlendorf now. Shame because I would love to have heard Davey pronounce his name.
jeffwx I think that is Shelby Miller pitching for the Cardinals.
ok, hate to be weird and know i am new to the blog but out of boredom due to no nats game, am watching nat geo "night stalkers" which is following leopards in sri lanka and just learned that a pair of leopards mated 12x in a single hour...now, that's an impressive stat and much more impressive than any single Nats stat all year.
Well, everybody is gone anyway, Paul. And the 12x/hr is for like, 10 seconds each, which is a lot less impressive when you put it that way. And I ain't going no further.
After seeing how Kirk Gibson is treating Ian Kennedy tonight I wouldnt want him Manager of my team. That guy is toast. 99 pitches and 10 earned runs in 4 innings. This guy was elite 2 years ago. Something isnt right.
sec 3, haha...good point, but you're right, they had these incredible infrared night cameras and it looked like what you said - 10 seconds per...have always loved nature shows and no, had no clue i was going to witness what i witnessed...good to see i wasn't talking to myself but maybe would have been better if i were!
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