Wednesday, May 8, 2013

Wet field could sideline Werth again

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Jayson Werth has played in only one of the Nationals' last six games.
By Chase Hughes
CSNwashington.com

Jayson Werth was held out of Davey Johnson's lineup before last night's game was postponed due to rain while still recovering from a sore right hamstring, a precaution because of the wet conditions at Nationals Park. The outfielder was forced to leave Thursday's game at Atlanta and missed the team's weekend series at Pittsburgh because of the injury.

Though Werth was out of the lineup, Johnson said he would have started if it was a nicer day.

"If not for the weather he would have played," the manager said. "He had his doctor put him through all kinds of tests, and his hamstring is not pulled. He feels pretty good about that, his hamstring feels pretty good. But I wouldn't run him out there on this field. He'll have to wait until tomorrow."

With rain again in the forecast today, however, Werth's return to the lineup could be affected by weather once again. It is expected to rain all day with scattered thunderstorms throughout the afternoon and evening. Johnson acknowledged the field conditions will determine that decision.

"Tomorrow, if it's not a real wet field, I'll put him in," he said.

Werth left in the eighth inning against the Braves last Monday after fouling a ball off his left ankle. He missed the team's next two games, returned to the lineup Thursday but was pulled from that game in the fifth inning after the hamstring tightened up on a ball in the right-field corner.

Tyler Moore was set to play in Werth's place last night and will be the likely option in case Werth can't go tonight.

50 comments:

Ghost Of Steve M. said...

Sounds like Jayson has his own Doctor. No Wiemi for him!

ehay2k said...

Jayson is a smart man. That's why he has his own doctor.

SonnyG10 said...

Man, with his salary, he could have his own hospital. :)

sjm308 said...

Smart of the Nationals to let him use his own physician with the results we have seen lately. I have more to say about our medical/training staff but will bite my tongue and stay above the fray.

Tcostant said...

Shame on the Nationals:

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/08/the-nationals-rainout-policy-is-stupid/

If you purchased a ticket for Tuesday and can't go, you should be able to redeem for a future game. Shame, shame, shame on them.

Not everyone can go every night and the fact the the new game is at 4PM instead of 7PM, make it even worse.

Ghost Of Steve M. said...

Given Jayson's record against Anibal he may want tonight off anyway.

Candide said...

Joe Seamhead said...
...meet Gio Gonzalez at Pentagon Center from 4 to 5 p.m. On Thursday. Domino effect in the works here.


Went online looking for tickets for Thursday's game through the usual brokerages, and there's nothing there.

So I might as well go to Pentagon Center and get some Domino's pizza.

Seriously, what happens to everyone who was trying to sell their Tuesday tickets online?

Harpo said...

Weimi is not a hamstring specialist, he's basically a GP for the team. Maybe "Jayson's doctor" is a specialist that was referred by Weimi or selected by Jayson. Just as with hitting coaches, there's no rule preventing players from seeking help outside the team organization, and if they do so it's not an indictment of the organization. If a high school student is having trouble with algebra and goes to a tutor, that doesn't mean his algebra teacher is incompetent.

Candide said...

Slightly off-topic:

I've never been a STH, so this may come across as ignorant, but if you're a STH - tickets for all 81 games - being able to use your rain check for any future game is kinda pointless, since you already have tickets for every game.

Or am I missing something?

Harpo said...

Seriously, what happens to everyone who was trying to sell their Tuesday tickets online?

Their listings would have expired at game time on Tuesday whether the game was postponed or not. When the game was postponed, their tickets for Tuesday turned into tickets for the rescheduled game on Thursday. They can now re-list those tickets on StubHub or wherever and sell them, although it is a short turnaround. And anyone who bought a Tuesday ticket from a reseller before the game was called now has a ticket for Thursday.

Section 222 said...

Candide -- You're missing a couple of things. First, some STHs share tickets with a group -- so there might be two tickets and four people. Extra tix are always welcome. Second, STHs have families, friends, etc that they can take to the game with extra tix. That's why the Red Carpet Rewards program is so popular.

I would never call you ignorant though. That would be another poster(s) approach.

Harpo said...

I've never been a STH, so this may come across as ignorant, but if you're a STH - tickets for all 81 games - being able to use your rain check for any future game is kinda pointless, since you already have tickets for every game.

Or am I missing something?


No, you have it right. In the past, those full STH would either use their rain check for the rescheduled game, or get a ticket for a future game and give it to a friend, or just eat it. What they didn't do was whine about it, like people do here.

Sam said...

Harpo - I just wanted to say that I like your analogy with regards to the algebra teacher.

Although, I am slightly concerned because I believe this is the trouble that Bonds with the Giants and Giambi and Rodriguez got into with the Yankees. They had their own trainers, who were feeding them steroids. I'm sure this isn't on the same scale, though.

Tcostant said...

Season Ticket Holders can still use there exchange per the e-mail I got or get red carpet points if they miss the game. I'm more concerned that the Nationals are treating single ticket holders badly. They purchased a ticket and now might have to take time off (4Pm start) or not be able to go. They should be able to any other game they want, not just one they didn't chose.

Joe Seamhead said...

I just bought two tickets in the Infield Gallery on Stubhub for Thursday's game for a bargin. There are many offered for more than face value. If I had tickets that I couldn't use, then I would post them on StubHub and then take the proceeds and buy tickets for a game that was more suitable for my schedule. I think it's unfair faulting the Nats in this day and age with RCRs and the likes of StubHub being available, combined with the logistics of more seats having already been sold for future games. That's just my view. I don't know why anyone has to be rude to another blogger, regardless of their perception of the policy.

Janus said...

There is about 750 tickets on stub-hub for Thursday's game right now. That number may go up as people try to sell because they can't make it.

Janus said...

Actually, it's up to 900 since I checked around 8am.

Joe Seamhead said...

And for those that don't use StubHub, all I can say is to get with the program. It is unbelievably easy to use, and you can buy/sell tix for just about any game. Sometimes when selling, you may take a hit, but that's a supply and demand issue.
BTW, I dillydallied and missed out on two tickets for $12.80 ea in sec315 that were listed on StubHub earlier this morning.

Eric said...

I got 4 tickets in Row P, Sec 132 for like $25 a pop on StubHub last season. Definitely a nice option. The best part is, it facilitates the transfer of electronic tickets (mobile or print at home).

Section 222 said...

StubHub is great, no doubt about it. And very good bargains can be had. It's worth noting that once all the fees are assessed to the buyer and the seller, the Nats/MLB and StubHub get about 25% of the sale price plus $1.50 per ticket. It's a win-win, but certainly not anything the Nats doing for charity. They've already sold the tickets once and get a healthy commission for faciliting the transfer and resale.

On the raincheck policy, my ticket rep forwarded me the Phillies Rainout Policy, which is "no exchanges."

Now there's a franchise to emulate. StanK would be proud. Then again, maybe he wouldn't, since during his reign the standard, more liberal policy was in force.

Eric said...

"It's a win-win, but certainly not anything the Nats doing for charity."

Yes, that's correct, StubHub, Nats, and MLB are for-profit organizations. ;)

Section 222 said...

No doubt about that Eric. And I don't blame them for taking a cut of StubHub sales. But plenty of for-profit corporations sometimes forgo a small portion of their profit for customer relations purposes. In the end, they benefit financially from that approach. (Cf., the Grateful Dead's live show recording policy :-)). Another win-win.

When the Nats start selling out weekday games on a regular basis -- which the Phillies and the Red Sox did for years -- I'll be willing to reconsider my position on the raincheck policy. But just as the idea that the Nats would reach 20,000 season tickets and have to cut off those sales was a fantasy, so is the idea that they can't accommodate a few thousand fans at some future game who can't make it on Thursday. afternoon.

Harpo said...

During the Kasten era, the same people who are whining now about no exchanges for rain checks were whining about Kasten not doing anything to build attendance among the Nats fan base.

Harpo said...

Section 222 is like the Lorenzo Alexander of NatsInsider as the "One Man Gang" against corporate ethics. The voice to bash the system. Counting season tickets to hold the team to that 20,000 STH threshold and probably 200 posts on that subject.

Glad to have you as the constant reminder that you are the watchdog but maybe you can start a blog like NatsLady did and yours can be called the 20,000th Seat! That would be a popular blog I bet!

Joe Seamhead said...

Buyer fees, Sec 222? With StubHub, for the buyer, the price you see is the price you pay. No other fees are charged. I use it regularly to buy, but I haven't sold any†hing on there yet..

Harpo said...

Good point Harpo2!

Dave said...

Candide, I suspect a very large percentage of STH share with other people. I personally don't know anyone who plans to do all 81 home games each year.

So the fact that someone has season-tickets doesn't necessarily mean that that person has full flexibility. And any ticket that is bought is bought with money that is lost when you can't attend a game.

I'm with 222--when they are selling out weekday games back-to-back, then of course they probably want to tighten up on the policy. But they aren't. And they just changed the policy from generous to absolutely stingy in one fell swoop, with no notice.

Harpo said...

If STH are sharing a plan, the guy holding a ticket for Tuesday who can't go to the makeup game on Thursday has a ready-made pool of people he can offer the ticket to via quick electronic transfer. Whether to charge for it or give it for free/discount is their decision. That sounds like flexibility to me.

Harpo said...

Joe Seamhead, thank you for setting Section 222 straight on the StubHub buyer's policy. I often wonder if he does any research or just spouts off with incorrect information just to support his rants. StubHub also has the best policy for buyer's if the tickets they purchased are fakes. When eBay purchased StubHub they created a top buyer protection system.

Section 222 should stick with Craigslist. Nobody pays any fees on either side and it's caveat emptor. You get what you pay for.

slidell2 said...

Whatever happened to the "subject to availability" phrase? IF there are comparable tickets available for the selected alternate game, why not just allow it? It would seem that the primary motivation for not allowing it is greed. They value the prospective untapped buyer out there more than the ticket holder who has already forked over the money.

Candide said...

If you like kayak.com for plane tickets, you should try seatgeek.com. Like kayak,it scans all the ticket broker sites, including stubhub, puts all the available seats on one page, ranking them by how good a deal the prices are. Only place I go to any more.

Sec. 3, My Comfortability Sofa said...

Not sure how they benefit from not allowing transfers subject to availability, since no one buys hot dogs or beer at games they don't attend, and the number of people who buy new tix for the games they would have transferred to can't be that high, at least not this season, here.

Eric said...

Section 222: "No doubt about that Eric. And I don't blame them for taking a cut of StubHub sales."

Harpo: "Section 222 is ... against corporate ethics."

That's funny right there.

Section 222 said...
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Eric said...

Harpo, you should stick to your topical posts. Those actually tend to be quite good. When it comes to this trolling thing, you're pretty sloppy.

Ciao, bella!

Section 222 said...

JoeS -- All fees are included in what you as a buyer see as the price on StubHub, but that doesn't mean there aren't fees. StubHub used to list the tickets at exactly the price that the seller offered, and then tack on their commission and fees. Now they add the fees to the offered price and that's the price the buyer sees.

Here's an example. If I have two tickets and list them on StubHub for $24 each, the buyer sees the price of $28.40 each ($24 plus a 10% commission plus a $2.00 per ticket handling charge.) And my payout if they sell is $38.25 ($48 minus a $1.50 per ticket transfer fee minus a 15% commission). Both the buyer and the seller are paying fees and commissions. In this example, the buyer pays $56.80, the seller gets $38.25, and MLB/Nats/SH get $18.55.

Feel/Harpo/RichP/Dominats -- Your personal attacks are ugly and, in this case, incorrect. And I know that JoeS wasn't "setting me straight" he was asking a question in a perfectly reasonable way. I have used StubHub for years and know how it works. You don't know what you're talking about.

Janus said...

Candide,

I have not heard of seat-geek until I saw it linked above, but it showed no tickets for Thursday's game while stub-hub had 900. Maybe they have to be up on stub-hub for a certain time before seat-geek finds them?

Janus said...

Ok, I see it has around 350 now...

Dave said...

Although I'm upset with the Nats this morning, I'm finding that my no-troll-engagement policy is serving me well. Nothing but glad feelings toward my imaginary friends here on NI.

Eric said...

Sounds like Happ is gonna be a-OK.

They mention a head contusion (not brain contusion) and a lacerated ear. That's about as good as you can hope for after taking a line drive to the temple region.

Joe Seamhead said...

Thanks, Sec222. I haven't taken the time to see the breakdown of StubHub before and you gave a pretty good accounting of how it works.. Hey, we knew they made money somewhere. For me, a partial ST plan guy, I probably go to about another 20 games over and above my 21 game plan. I get tickets from various sources, RCRs, gifts, Nats, etc, but StubHub has become my "go to" place to look first.My schedule is quite flexible, so "last day" buys are common for us.
I still don't get why anyone is going out of their way to be rude. Later.

Section 222 said...

You're welcome JoeS. I've used SH as a buyer and a seller. It's a great service, especially with instant download and the ability to adjust prices as game time approaches. Hard to believe that just a few short years ago if you had extra tickets you pretty much had to stand outside RFK and compete with the scalpers. Of course, that's how I met one of my good friends and ticket partners so I guess it wasn't all bad.

The good thing is that there is really only one rude poster around this morning. He just uses multiple names. He and his aliases deny it of course, but we know it's true. His style is unmistakable, regardless of the name he selects.

NatsLady said...

Drew will be on the radio every Wed starting today 106.7 @ 12:50.

sjm308 said...

222 - this is getting confusing for me. I have identified a couple of names but I think you just broadened my scrolling. Like Don, I feel much better.

Go Nats!! Stay civil!!

Alphabet Soup Erik said...

We also have 2 different 21 game plans, and with the reduction in RCR point values, it is definitely looking like our last year getting these packages. You can basically buy our entire package on StubHub for a cheaper price with more flexibility. The only real reason to get season tickets is for the postseason access to tickets. Other than that, you will have a better selection for a cheaper price on StubHub. This rainout policy BS and increase in parking prices and beer prices keeps us from feeling the need to be loyal.

Eric said...

"Drew will be on the radio every Wed starting today 106.7 @ 12:50."

Awesome, thanks for the tip!

Section 222 said...

I hear you Erik. As someone who sells tickets more often than he buys, I look forward to a time when the tipping point will be reached and it will no longer be possible to buy decent seats on SH for less than face value. If we go all the way this year, it could happen soon. But for now, even with all this "increased demand and decreased capacity" we're not there yet.

The RCR program and generally liberal exchange policies, along with priority for postseason tix, still make having a season plan a good deal in my opinion, but I totally get where you're coming from.

Dave said...

For what it's worth, a commenter at Nationals Journal points out that the A-Z policies list yesterday morning read as follows:

"The ticket will serve as a rain check for that re-scheduled game or may be exchanged for the same priced seat at a future Nationals home game during the 2013 season. All rain check exchanges are subject to availability."

Immediately after they called the game, the sentence read:

"In the event a legal game is not played due to weather, guests are asked to retain their tickets. The ticket will serve as a rain check for that re-scheduled game."

That seems pretty darn fishy to me. One policy was published on the web site in the morning, another one in the evening.

The guy who posted the comment said that he had checked the policy online earlier in the day because of the impending rainy weather. Did the Nationals think nobody would be checking to see what the rain-check policy was?

Sec. 3, My Sofa said...

Eric, thanks for posting the link about Happ.

The article quoted MLB as saying they have been looking into headgear for pitchers, but nobody makes anything that meets the criteria. I can't imagine pitchers agreeing to going out there with a full batting helmet on, but short of that, or at least an old-style leather football helmet, it would be hard to cover the areas that I've seen get hit--generally not where the cap sits.

Eric said...

Yeah, it's hard to imagine a solution that really mitigates the problem. It'd have to be something that basically covers the temple down to the collar bone. I just read about Mike Coolbaugh who was killed when a line drive hit him in the neck, pulverizing his vertebral artery. I think it would be possible, but it would be very, very difficult to do it in a way that didn't affect the pitcher's mechanics.

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