Monday, May 20, 2013

Game 45: Nats at Giants

Associated Press
Beautiful AT&T Park hosts the Nationals for the next three days.
What's the best cure for a struggling lineup? How about the return of its best hitter from injury? Bryce Harper is back tonight for the Nationals, having missed the last two games in San Diego over the weekend with a bruised knee (from his collision with the wall in L.A. one week ago). His presence in the No. 3 spot really does make that starting lineup look a lot more formidable, especially with Ryan Zimmerman and Adam LaRoche each on a tear at the plate right now.

The Nationals might need an offensive explosion tonight, because they're sending to the mound someone who wasn't in their original Opening Day rotation for the first time this season. With Ross Detwiler hampered by a slight oblique strain, Zach Duke gets the nod for his first MLB start since 2011. The veteran lefty has been erratic out of the bullpen so far, but his background is as a starter, so perhaps he'll be more comfortable taking the ball for the first inning tonight.

Duke will be working with Jhonatan Solano, getting a rare start behind the plate. Struggling Ryan Vogelsong is on the mound for the defending World Series champion Giants, who are struggling themselves at the moment and desperately need to get themselves back on track.

As you know, I'm not on this West Coast trip, but I'll be staying up late and watching along with the rest of you. Enjoy the game and the conversation...

WASHINGTON NATIONALS at SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS
Where: AT&T Park
Gametime: 10:15 p.m. EDT
TV: MASN, MLB.tv
Radio: WJFK (106.7 FM), WFED (1500), XM 189
Weather: Clear, 63 degrees, Wind 6 mph out to RF
NATIONALS (23-21)
CF Denard Span
2B Steve Lombardozzi
RF Bryce Harper
3B Ryan Zimmerman
1B Adam LaRoche
SS Ian Desmond
LF Roger Bernadina
C Jhonatan Solano
LHP Zach Duke

GIANTS (24-20)
CF Angel Pagan
2B Marco Scutaro
3B Pablo Sandoval
C Buster Posey
RF Hunter Pence
1B Brandon Belt
LF Andres Torres
SS Brandon Crawford
RHP Ryan Vogelsong

UMPIRES
HP Jerry Meals
1B Bruce Dreckman
2B Gary Darling (cc)
3B Paul Emmel

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MicheleS said...

GYFNG!!! DO Zach! GO ONION!!!!

SJM308.. I hope you are enjoying your time in SF! Cheer on our Boys!

Laddie Blah Blah said...

What Michelle said, even if the Onion isn't in the lineup...;o)

phil dunton said...

What ever happened to Roger Bernadina's bat? I wish we had a real hitting coach who could help some of these hitters who are totally lost.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

GYFNG

Lets have a big night.

Eric said...

Yeah, I sure wish Bernie would triple or something...y'all know what I'm slayin?

::: eyeroll :::

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

laddie who is the onion? I must have missed hearing that before

Clip&Store said...

Meant to ask before, why weren't you able to make it out west Mark?

Also, The other great way to get the offense going? No espinosa!!

Dryw Loves the Nats said...

Only one thing to say here (even though I'm hardly the first to say it):

GYFNG!!!!!!!!

baseballswami said...

I almost feel like some of these games are Davey's version of throwing people in the water just to see if they learn to swim or drown. Kind of a Survivor Nats. Will you move on or will you go to Syracuse? I hope they all click tonight. I love The Onion's energy and he would have caught Duke in Syracuse a lot, correct?

Eugene in Oregon said...

MNF @ 7:09: Something along the lines of: Jhonatan Solano hitched a ride to his first professional try-out (or season or something) on the back of an onion truck, thus 'the onion' as a nickname.

baseballswami said...

Eric- Bernie tripled recently, yes? Or was that another goonie?

Eric said...
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Anna Peregrina said...

Solano is the Onion ... came up in an onion truck or something ...

Eric said...

Swami, that comment of mine was deeply sarcastic in response to another post.

natsfan1a said...

Go, Zach! Go, NATS!! Won't be watching (yawn) but will hope for a happy game results email in the morning.

MNF, here's an entry from the NIDO glossary:

The Onion/Cebolla

No, not the satirical publication, but Nats prospect catcher Jhonatan Solano, recently recalled to replace the injured Wilson Ramos. So-named because he once rode to a tryout in a truck carrying people and produce. He sat next to the onions and a nickname was born. Per Nats Journal. May 29, 2012 8:12 PM

natsfan1a said...

So, I guess I owe Eugene a drink now.

(And I picked right up on your intent, Eric. :-))

Eric said...

"I almost feel like some of these games are Davey's version of throwing people in the water just to see if they learn to swim or drown."

Yeah, I definitely think he's using the injuries situation to experiment...

baseballswami said...

Eric- not the only thing that had gone right over my head today.....

natsfan1a said...

On a somewhat related note, Eric seems to appear twice in the NIDO "drinks owed to" column. I'd consolidate them but not sure whether we have more than one Eric.

(The most recent thing to go over my head was a Brood II cicada. Actually, it almost flew into my face. But I digress.)

natsfan1a said...

Oh, just noticed that there's a Bryce in the lineup. Yay!

Candide said...

Swami - Bernie tripled yesterday with two outs.

Then Espinosa came up.

See if you can guess what he did on three pitches.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

thanks to all.

perspective dweeb said...

Solano starting is nooooo surprise !

Suzuki took too many pitches last night

Eugene in Oregon said...

natsfan1a: Give my drink to one of those cicadas; I always liked them when we lived in the DC area.

baseballswami said...

Candide-- ouch. Tonight could be quite interesting. You know- it should be a slugfest, but will probably end up a pitcher's duel. Baseball can be a strange game that way. Of course, I will be asleep. I dislike starting my day by immediately needing to know how the game went. I am quite ashamed to admit that it sets the tone for my day.

sjm308 said...

MicheleS - still in Napa for one more day! Crazy but they don't carry the Giants on the tv in our resort. Will be there in full force tomorrow - sec 104 but about 20 rows back!!

Great reading all the comments on what could/should happen. Just have to think that when we are all healthy we will be ok.

A win tonight would be a huge plus! Just someting we are not expecting.

My spousal equivalent and I are wondering why we don't consider moving out here. Hardly any traffic, great restaurants, hiking, biking, weather and you don't want to know how many wineries we have visited.

GYFNG!!

baseballswami said...

Eugene-- The Hills Are Alive With the Sound of Cicadas!!

Less Platu said...

Good to be back -- been traveling -- but following Nats

ooh boy

Candide said...

Did a little baseball-reference research, wanted to see who the player was who has the closest age-25 similarity score to Espinosa. Turns out it was Dale Sveum, who managed to get four or five sub-. 200 seasons in his career.

Sveum was never a full-time player after age 25.

Less Platu said...

anyone besides me think Davey looks bewildered and is not as into it as he once was?

baseballswami said...

Following the Nats-- take your Dramamine. The path is circuitous.

Ghost Of Steve M. said...

Laddie Blah Blah said...

Danny is not in a slump. He is who he is - the consistently easiest out in the lineup, and the least effective situational hitter I have ever seen.


As much as I also believe Danny is lost at the plate, he is in a slump because we know he will progress to his mean which is about .235 BA but like I said 2 years ago that he has a real problem that ends most careers which is poor eye/hand coordination and can only be overcome by good mechanics and good plate discipline.

His slump is possibly part physical with his shoulder then you add the bad mechanics and the poor plate discipline and you have a .160 hitter.

Almost by BABIP you have think some of it is bad luck but his contact is poor. Its weak popups and weak grounders which usually don't go for hits.

baseballswami said...

The fact that Adam honestly answered a question about Espi was very telling. We have heard time and again that he is hard headed- you cannot learn if you think you already know everything. Adam said Danny won't understand that it is mental and not physical. Keeps trying to fix it with more video and more hitting in the cage. So sad to think that others are trying to help him. I have had music students who were talented but not open to instruction. All the potential in the world will not lead anywhere if you cannot learn and grow and adjust.

blovy8 said...

Espinosa is hurt. No one could be this bad otherwise.

baseballswami said...

We know he has a bad rotator cuff. Maybe just have some surgery , rehab and hit the reset button. One problem-- new manager after this year , who may not feel the same way about his potential.

Gonat said...

blovy8 said...
Espinosa is hurt. No one could be this bad otherwise.

May 20, 2013 8:21 PM
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That sounds logical but he had a good Spring and had a great outing on his birthday. I think its more mental but as the 'experts' here keep saying he probably will be nothing better than a .220 to .240 type of hitter and it all starts with that Major League worse in swing and miss and his contact is poor.

David Proctor said...

Davey says he had "an alarming report" about Werth following an MRI. Could be two more weeks before he's back. No bueno.

UGH.

Cwj said...

I have a good feeling about this game. I'm very curious to actually see Duke start a game.
Go Nats!!!!!!

natsfan1a said...

Eugene, I don't know, those cicadas can't seem to fly straight even without any drinks.

sjm, there's plenty of traffic south of SFO, for the record. Have fun tomorrow - I know you'll represent us well!

On a sort of baseball note, doesn't Bob Carpenter make his home in Oklahoma? Can't recall just where, though. Hope all is well with his friends and family.

sjm308 said...

If Espinosa hit .240 there would be absolutely no discussion right now. Just can't see that happening this year. Not sure if he needs to be sent down or just put on the dl but something needs to happen. I have said often that 25 is not a horrible age to have to learn stuff in the minors. There are plenty of examples of players who come back and do well. It is not the end of the world if he handles himself well. I also do not think Lombardozzi is the answer but he is a better answer than Espinoza. I would not make wholesale changes yet but I could see Moore, Duke, Henry and Bernadina moving at one point or another. That is a lot of moves for a team still in the running so they all can't or should not happen but there is justification for each. I will continue to trust in Rizzo.

Go Nats!

Gonat said...

David, no kidding. I just saw Amanda's tweeter. Not a Happy Birthday for JDub.

sjm308 said...

Natsfan1a - we all have either adjusted to our awful traffic or just dig a hole in the sand. Driving to Napa from San Francisco, we NEVER stopped once for gridlock. There were stop lights and traffic was heavy but it kept moving. Once out of the city, it was a breeze. I could easily move near Napa, drive into San Francisco for a dozen or so games (or take the ferry which has a bar!!) and be very very happy. I could be like Peric and Eugene and others out here and root for our nationals and post way late in the night.

Eric said...

Where are you reading/hearing that about Werth, David? Bad news indeed...

David Proctor said...

Kilgore and Comack both tweeted the news out.

Eric said...

Oy... Harp, remember the wall-a-mo. Keep thyself in the line up!

Candide said...

sjm308 said...

still in Napa for one more day!... My spousal equivalent and I are wondering why we don't consider moving out here. Hardly any traffic, great restaurants, hiking, biking, weather and you don't want to know how many wineries we have visited.


You might want to read this before packing up the U-Haul. Not the Napa Valley, but much of what's in there certainly applies. Warning: Not happy reading.

baseballswami said...

I hate this news about Jayson-- alarming??? Davey said alarming??? Is he just being dramatic? I hope they tell us something. Boo, boo, boo. I hate this news.

waddu eye no said...

swami -

"I have had music students who were talented but not open to instruction. "

and how. hard to learn when you already know everything. it's a weird line to walk between the right amount of confidence and trust in yourself, and arrogance and denial of what you can really do.

hope danny finds someone that can help him find that balance. for a lot of folks' sake.

meanwhile - GYFNG!

Candide said...

baseballswami said...

We have heard time and again that he is hard headed- you cannot learn if you think you already know everything.


Saw someone said the other day, in another context, "The smartest guy in the room never learns anything."

And then there was Earl Weaver's, "It's what you learn after you know it all that counts."

David Proctor said...

Larry Bowa just called out Espinosa on MLB Network. Said guys like him have to learn how to make adjustments or he won't last at the major league level.

baseballswami said...

I always hear that baseball is a game of adjustments. Guess it's true.

Eric said...

What did Adam say about Espi? We talking LaRoche?

Gonat said...

David Proctor said...
Larry Bowa just called out Espinosa on MLB Network. Said guys like him have to learn how to make adjustments or he won't last at the major league level.

May 20, 2013 9:11 PM
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They figured him out a long time ago. This isn't about adjustments. This is just being totally in a deeeeep funk.

Gonat said...

Eric, yes it was Adam LaRoche last week on a pre-game he did with Julie Alexandria.

Secret wasian man said...

Braves gonna win. Could be 3 .5 games gotta win. Don't like the os or yanks. But they are playing one heck of a game tonight. Real baseball

Just wonderin' said...

Lotta folks have talked about Espinosa's cannon of an arm. Is it good enough that he could reinvent himself as a pitcher?

baseballswami said...

Eric-ALR was directly asked what advice he would give Danny. He said unfortunately Danny insists it's physical and can be fixed with more and more video and hitting in the cage- just will not understand that it is mental. I was surprised he answered the question. Paraphrasing, of course, but that was the gist. Can you imagine how frustrated the coaches must be? Again- not trying to trash the kid, I have worked with people who were fighting themselves, it's tough to watch. And I hope he has a breakthrough tonight that lasts and he starts to climb that hill. I really do.

baseballswami said...

I personally am not going to worry about the post season or what the Barves are doing. Win a game , win a series, then we'll talk.

Secret wasian man said...

Gonna need 8 runs tonight. Never gonna happen. One step closer to .500. Ughhhhhhh

natsfan1a said...

That's me standing next to swami.

baseballswami said...

I personally am not going to worry about the post season or what the Barves are doing. Win a game, win a series, then we'll talk.
May 20, 2013 9:33 PM

baseballswami said...

One third of the lineup is bench players. Our starting pitcher has not started a game in like two years in the majors. Do the math. Bryce is still banged up. Need I go on?

baseballswami said...

Good, clean, smart baseball, please. You do that and then you take what comes. Go Nats!!!!!

Eric said...

Thanks all. So it sounds like it's not an injury or like Espi has taken everyone in with the long con...

I'm betting it's mental, though. Maybe he needs to pinch hit for a few games in later innings and drink a couple beers while he waits for his at bat.

I'm not even completely joking.

Drew said...

Rendon has a double and another RBI. The kid has 19 extra base hits in 30 games.

The Rick Hague renaissance continues. Rendon's old Rice teammate now has six straight multi-hit games.

The Harrisburg second baseman has raised his average from .167 to .280.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

Final tonight Nats 5 Giants 3

took my pregame maalox

do1teach1 said...

It's one of those years when struggling teams, or struggling pitchers, always seem to rise to the occasion against us. If the pattern continues, I would expect a big comeback from Vogelsong.

I was worried that if the Nats blew it this year, we'd be mocked with "Can the Nats repeat as world champs in 2014?" jabs in the off-season. But the Dodgers, Angels, and Blue Jays also had tremendous, Nat-like hype, and they're choking dogs too.

All the horrible stats about our offense and defense have been captured here. No one can say we didn't practice hitting and defense. What shocks me--what really embarrassed me in the Padres series--and what is all around baseball, is that the Nationals really cannot be bothered with holding runners. This is a glaring failure to learn from the same catastrophic failure in 2012--including in Game 5.

A glaring leadership failure.

peric said...

One thing to keep in mind ... Jhonotan Solano probably knows Duke the starter better than any catcher on the Nats 40-man roster. He caught him last season when he was a 15 game winner in AAA.

That might be the reason you are seeing him instead of Suzuki. There's probably a comfort level there and given this is Duke's first major league start in a while he may need it.

Gonat said...

Eric, LaRoche was saying exactly what a few of the insiders have said that its mental. Also talked about all the extra work Espi does. It's an A for effort but an F for execution. That 1 week he got some hits and back on track and was up to .200 and then thought he was a power hitter again. Once his bat goes long, its toast.

There are some good lefty hitters he could watch that are quick to the ball in that see ball hit ball approach and just work on making solid contact.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

Correct on holding base runners is a real weakness

David Proctor said...

Jim Johnson just blew his third straight save.

peric said...

There are some good lefty hitters he could watch that are quick to the ball in that see ball hit ball approach and just work on making solid contact.

They could have all done with studying Rendon's approach. It might be the best they have even if he is still a rookie-to-be. This is where the loss of DeRosa shows.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

The great Jim Johnson just blew his third save in a weak.

I would really hate being an Angel, Blue Jays, or Dodger fan. We look great compared to them.

peric said...

Looks like Sammy Solis is getting his first start for Potomac. Many will be watching that game.

Secret wasian man said...

Proctormyou beat me to it. Something must be in the water around the beltway..

EmDash said...

The Braves let their rookie starter throw 123 pitches tonight in an attempt to let him get a CGSO. That seems pretty risky on the poor kid's arm...

A DC Wonk said...

Secret wasian man said...

Gonna need 8 runs tonight


Well, Vogelsong's ERA _is_ over 8! ;-)

Gonat said...

EmDash, they have killed their bullpen with all the overuse. The Freddi way was get the starters a full 6 and turn it over to O'Flaherty to Venters to Kimbrall. O'Flaherty and Venters both have dead elbows.

A DC Wonk said...

The Braves let their rookie starter throw 123 pitches tonight in an attempt to let him get a CGSO. That seems pretty risky on the poor kid's arm...

Well, there's _one_ big difference between Davey and at least one other manager. That's pretty darn short-sighted if you ask me.

Anyone remember Johan Santana's 134-pitch effort at getting the fist no-hitter in Met's history.

He made 10 starts the rest of the season -- during which time is ERA was 8.27; and his career might be over after re-tearing some shoulder stuff this April.

Sheesh. Julio Teheran is only 22, and never threw more than 100 pitches in a game in his career (he threw exactly 100 last time out).

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

I was at the game Santana pitched at Nats Park a few starts after the no hitter. Morse hit a grand slam against him.

David Proctor said...

That was a great game. Harper had a nice HR that game too.

David Proctor said...

Both of these pitchers suck. The difference is the Giants can hit. We can't. Hope that changes tonight.

do1teach1 said...

I have the impression that, compared with NL RBI leaders, Harper comes up with the bases empty far more often than the leaders do.

I have no idea how to check this. Does someone here know how to check this theory?

dabassguy1 said...

Is anyone else's MASN out?

Gonat said...

My MASN is working on the MASN2 channel.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

five consecutive games with no hits in first.

Our record great when we score first.

jeffwx said...

ok here..a pitchers dual

David Proctor said...

Nice inning for Duke.

RickH said...

Nice first inning for Duke. Good to get that behind him.

dabassguy1 said...

I have Cox. It was on the MASN2, but just a black screen. All other channels seem to work. Now it says Temporarily Off Air. Got the audio from the AtBat app to get me thru.

NatsLady said...

Have MASN fine with RCN.

David Proctor said...

I've got MASN fine with Fios.

dabassguy1 said...

Cable box re-boot and all is well. It was working on the analog TV's, so figured it had to be the box.

Eric said...

Of *course* Vogelsong is shutting us down. Ugh.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

I have Masn2 (MASN has O's game) on comcast.

Angel Pegan played that ball unusually.

David Proctor said...

Uh oh.

David Proctor said...

Yep.

Gonat said...

That didn't take long.

BigCat said...

Hunter Pence looks like he has had a lot of coffee tonight

Exposremains said...

I guess it took the Giants 2 innings to figure out Duke.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

Go figure Duke pitched great to their best hitter Posey then gives up hit to Pence. Pitching from stretch he stinks.

David Proctor said...

BigCat, Or meth...

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

I havent see Eck in the dugout though I am sure he is there.

Just hopeful.

Secret wasian man said...

That's it. Nats lose again. What an awful baseball team. It's not early, it's not the injuries, it's not the weather. It's a LOFT problem. Lack of freakin talent.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

Big Cat always looks like that . Pense has tge crazy look.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

This team is not bad, just not hitting.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

All will be well once the new hitting coach is in place.

Gonat said...

Can Duke play 2nd base? He hits better than Espi. Look at that 2 strike approach.

David Proctor said...

At least Duke can hit.

Ivan Tuski said...

Duuuuuuuuke (I am your father)

phil dunton said...

Rizzo hides Eckstein to protect him from any criticism when the heats on. He's probably hiding out in a closet in the clubhouse.

David Proctor said...

Lombardozzi kills the rally.

SCNatsFan said...

This team just cannot get the big hit

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

We need hitswith RISP very few lately.

Gonat said...

Lombo tried to hit a 3 run HR. Just make good contact and get Bryce up.

David Proctor said...

It's gonna be a long night, guys.

Gonat said...

18 game hitting streak for Scutaro and now batting .333. Still laughing at the comparison made to Espi when Scutaro was batting .240 in April. Not even close.

David Proctor said...

Good job to get out of the jam.

do1teach1 said...

Harper coming up again with bases empty. I think this too-common occurence explains why he he so high on the homers list, but nowhere on the RBI-leaders list.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

Vogelsong has stunk all season.Are we the cure for all pitcher who are in trouble.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

still looking for some one to take over.

Gonat said...

3rd time around the order MNF

SCNatsFan said...

I agree manassas another guy who we turn his season around. I love this team but this gets old inning after inning, game after game.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

Would love to see it gonat.
I hate losing more than they do.

Gonat said...

Giants just putting balls in play and finding holes. Contact!

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

If I was a Giant I would suicide squeeze.

Gonat said...

What a crappy start that was. This is going to put a lot of strain on the bullpen. Can't afford that.

You have to weigh putting Detwiler on the DL vs going to your long man in the bullpen and he has to go 5+ for you.

Fail.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

Squeeze obvious call and we were not prepared.

I realize i am common folk but I ser it coming how can they not.

Gonat said...

I'm sure one of Zach Duke's supporters was hoping to give us "I told you so" if he did well. Chris Young and Yunesky Maya might have given more.

David Proctor said...

Who said they were not prepared? It was just executed well. You can't move LaRoche TOO far in because there's a guy on first, not to mention the hole it opens if he swings.

do1teach1 said...

The safety squeeze by the Giants illuminates the absolute lack of imagination by our own coaching staff, and their plain determination not to bunt more often to put pressure on defenders, make pitchers field their position, and give other defenders the chance to get beat or make errors.

We wait for the hairy-chested guy to hit the 3-run homer, when we have no one one base.

Gonat said...

Manassas, it was a safety squeeze and you have to hope he doesn't get a good bunt down. He did and you tip your hat and go on.

A DC Wonk said...


Manassas Nats' Fan said...

Squeeze obvious call and we were not prepared.

I realize i am common folk but I ser it coming how can they not.

Just because you see it coming doesn't mean you can always stop it. That bunt was extremely well placed.

Gonat said...

The difference MNF is execution. They are executing and the Nats as a group are not.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

Stammen throws gas on the fire.

David Proctor said...

Sigh. I mean I knew this was likely to happen today given the pitching, but it still sucks.

Gonat said...

4 earned in 3 1/3 for Duke and now Stammen is falling apart.

Wow, sometimes you can't do anything right.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

It is bad enough our hitters in general quit the last week and a half.

Now in the last 2 dsys 6 pitchers 5 stunk.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

Thanks ALR for bailing out Stammen.

phil dunton said...

For those who might be sleep deprived tomorrow, you can hit the hay because this game is over......unless you want to see Henry in his usual mop up role.

Gonat said...

With Duke's 4 earned runs his ERA barely changed. 8.84

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

Vogelsongs ERA was as bad as Duke, but ou hitters in general are not hittingvthe ball the way they need to, to win.

Still no Eck sughting.

nats guy said...

Get out the forks for anothet curly L.

nats guy said...

Get out the forks for anothet curly L.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

Scotero 8 errors but batting over .333. still take him over Espi.

If Duke was right handed no way he would be in the majors

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

carp an idiot Solano's hit was not fairly wel to the gap.

Gonat said...

Everth Cabrera just tried to steal against Yadier Molina. No way. Against the Nats he was on a track meet.

David Proctor said...

What a great AB by Stammen. Pretty sad our pitchers have had the two best ABs today.

Gonat said...

Our pitchers are 1-1 with a walk tonight. Better than the position players.

Gonat said...

And what does Denard Span do after that walk? Swings at the first pitch and rolls it over. Real bright.

A DC Wonk said...


Manassas Nats' Fan said...

Vogelsongs ERA was as bad as Duke, but...


But the difference is that Vogelsong is a former all-star, and the odds were he was going to get on track sooner or later -- and the Giants _are_ a great hitting team.

Ivan Tuski said...

There are an awful lot of whiners here. I am starting to miss the old days when we really sucked.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

RISP update NATS 0 for 2. Giants 3 for 8 and 2 of the out scored runs. so 5 different batted ball scored runs.

Could we teach some of this?

David Proctor said...

BABIP is not our friend today.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

I whined much worse then for sure.

I go into every game assuming we will win and fuss if yhey don't.

Ivan Tuski said...

Two

David Proctor said...

Stammen doesn't have his good stuff tonight.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

David not sure where you find BSPIP but suspect not our friend in most losses.

Stammen wasn't ready for this game it appears

Gonat said...

Ivan Tuski said...
There are an awful lot of whiners here. I am starting to miss the old days when we really sucked.
________________________________

I see plenty of compliments along with the whining and the critical remarks are on point. I guess we can say nothing like you?

Joe Seamhead said...

The worm turned on the 2-1 defeat to the Cubs. How to turn a worm around the other way?

Alphabet Soup Erik said...

This teams stinks. Not much else to say...thanks Rizzo.

NatsNutty said...

You'll all be happy to know that I've stopped whining. As a matter of fact, I'm going to bed.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

stammens pitch to Pense was great next pitch was patgetic, but when hitters are on vacation pitchers have to be even better.

Gonat said...

That's where Desmond is smart. He ate that ball. 2 years ago he turns that into an error. Progress.

Gonat said...

Isn't that a fair ball? What the?

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

Vogelsong broken bone I bet.

I though Espi couldnt see pitches, vogelsong worse.

Gonat said...

Bad call by the ump. Should be inning over.

Gonat said...

Solano has done a great job blocking pitches.

Gonat said...

What a play by Lombo.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

Lets get to this reliever. Hopefully some one is interested.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

Lombo does his Espi imitarion and swings at balls to k

do1teach1 said...

Harper coming up again with bases empty. Season-long trend I believe.

peric said...

ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz these guys have become somnambulant ...

Werth to the rescue? Not unless Rizzo demurs and Davey puts him back into that leadoff spot. On this one Rizzo was flat out wrong.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

My goodness the right haners looked pathetic.

I could Harper having trouble but at least he hit tge balls tge ithers looked clueless.

peric said...

Looks to me like these Nats weren't prepared for the Marine layer. It does seem to be affecting them.

Ivan Tuski said...

There can't be plenty. There not enough material. And why can't i whine about the winning

peric said...

Maybe Espy will hit a pinch hit home run? :)

peric said...

sheesh its on the 6th?

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

Nat hitters notice Giants box scores. That is what we expect from you.

peric said...

Well at least the Nats are good for solving what ails you for any team? Now its the Giants. Reminds me of the good ol' Giggleman daze.

Gonat said...
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peric said...

Stoopid panda hats.

Gonat said...

Jordan Zimmermann is 4th in the MLB in ERA behind only Kershaw, Corbin and Harvey.

Gonat said...

The only reason the Nats are where they are is because of the starting pitching. This is the Nats worst hitting team since 2008 when Paul LoDuca was brought in.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

Unfortunately Zim didnt pitch a shutout so we lost 2-1

Key is never give up furst or last run.

Ivan Tuski said...

Ong those people are sitting dangerously close to H rod

peric said...

The only reason the Nats are where they are is because of the starting pitching. This is the Nats worst hitting team since 2008 when Paul LoDuca was brought in.

And also why they aren't better than they are right now ...

Rizzo broke a lineup that didn't need fixing. He broke the cardinal rule of engineering with this lineup. To a lesser extent its the same with the bullpen but looking at some of the minor league relievers that's eminently fixable.

Gonat said...

Ivan Tuski said...
Ong those people are sitting dangerously close to H rod
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Why are you whining? ;_)

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

I see no urgency from any of the hiteers.

Carpand FP make more excuses.

BigCat said...

As usual.....no hitting....pitiful.

Why is Eck still employed?

do1teach1 said...

It feels like we are 1,000 runs behind in this game, with two outs and Espi up and an 0-2 count, facing Sandy Koufax.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

If the ump called 2 strikes the third is in the same place. why would you expect anything else.

Apparently Eck's coaching is working. Probaky will drop behind Mets for 14th.

How bad does the batting have to get before any change happens. Or will it never happen? Seems bullheaded to me.

Alphabet Soup Erik said...

This team is so bad that I would rather watch reruns of Rosanne on WE TV. Losing is one thing, but failing to even show up is another. This has happened far too many times this year and it all starts with Davey.

peric said...

ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz somnambulant ...

wild pitch over the backstop!!!!!! Toga Toga Toga Toga ...

peric said...

HROD with a base on balls.

Gonat said...

Nice Henry. 4 pitch walk.

Gonat said...

Great play by LaRoche! Saves Henry a run.

peric said...

Davey has a serious problem right now ... his world series or bust slogan is coming loose in the wind and could end up in the mud ...

Its not working right now and sure the pitching, sans injury, is good enough to get them over .500 ... but how much over?

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

Ball 3 to crawfod were 3 k to desmond

Gonat said...

Nice. Another walk to load the bases.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

AsI predicted Vogelsong broke hand.

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