Wednesday, July 3, 2013

Out of answers

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Davey Johnson has tried to remain positive throughout the Nationals' offensive struggles this season, insisting he has faith in his hitters and that he's confident things will get better before it's too late.

But after watching that lineup, on the heels of a 23-runs-in-48-hours explosion, turned into mincemeat by Wily Peralta, Kyle Lohse and the Brewers bullpen on back-to-back nights, the Nationals manager looked and sounded as hopeless as he's been all year.

"It's putting me in the looney bin," Johnson said.

Wednesday night's 4-1 loss left the Nationals right back where they started, sporting a .500 record, with a lineup that still can't produce on a consistent basis and a pitching staff and defense that can't be perfect even though they know they have to be given the offensive woes.
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42 comments:

Scooter said...

Something fun. Whilst filling out my scorecard tonight, I noticed that the Brewers' lineup had several players who aren't someone else:

A center fielder who isn't CarGo; a catcher who isn't Matt LeCroy; a first baseperson who isn't Todd Helton; and a left fielder who isn't Jordan Schafer.

(Of course, Rickie Weeks also isn't Jemile, but Rickie is by far the more famous brother. And they do have a leadoff-hitting right fielder who's not Ichiro, but it seems gauche to bring that up.)

Finally, I think my vote for tonight wasn't counted, so I'd like to vote now for the Nationals to win tomorrow. Thank you.

karlkolchak said...

"It's putting me in the looney bin," Johnson said.

Welcome, Davey. Better late than never.

William O. Douglas Loeffler said...

Never good to have a manager in the looney bin, but wait, I can see a Hollywood scrip--crazy manager allowed out of the mental ward but only to manage and only if accompanied by his wise-cracking hitting coach....

Doc said...

It'd better be a big looney bin, because we're all headed there.

I want the spot nearest the drinking fountain---if there are drinking fountains in looney bins!

The looney part is that Peralta and Lohse are horse#@#t pitchers! I mean we beat Matt Harvey and his gang only to lose to these clowns!!!

It ain't fair!!!!!!!!!

karlkolchak said...

"We were in it to the end," Desmond said. "Early on in the season, we would just roll over, and that's a loss. But we fought. We were in that ballgame. The tying run came to the plate. We didn't win, but it was a step in the right direction."

Egads - still more blowing smoke. This crappy game was "a step in the right direction?" You've GOT to be kidding me.

SCNatsFan said...

Tired of hearing how we are getting better at not losing by so much.

d'grviii 8 said...

My scorecard tonight was full of F8, F7, F9, L6 and the like. Only one ground out all night. They only had five hits, but they were getting good wood on the ball. Bad luck or good outfield positioning by the Brewers? Who knows. But the offense wasn't rolling over and playing dead like Mark portrays it.

Last night, no runs but eight hits and 10 LOB. Agsin, not total offensive futility like we saw earlier in the season. Desmond has a better grasp on reality than Zuckerman does.

Almazar80 said...

You can have three hits per inning and not score. So what if they're hitting better? They're not scoring any runs. Last time I checked, if you can't score, you can't win.

BTW, what are the chances that Rizzo gets a new contract after the dismal performance of this team this year? It looks like the no brainer picks of Stras, Harper and Rendon are paying off. Aside from that, what has he really assembled?

Exposremains said...

Dont worry About the offense.. They have scored 24 runs in the past 4 games. I was reminded of that today.

karlkolchak said...

d'grviii 8 - Lohse is a flyball pitcher. The fact that they didn't hit ground balls against him doesn't mean anything.

natsfan1a said...

I second Scooter's vote for today's game. Come on, Nats. It would be unpatriotic not to count our votes today, right? :-)

On another note, another interesting (imo) piece from Mike Harris. This one is on independent league players. Some of the guys in the piece are former Nats. I recognized all of them except for Charlie Manning. For the life of me, I can't remember the dude. I think I may have been traveling the week of his debut, but still...

Knoxville Nat said...

Doc, we did not beat Matt Harvey, he owned us. We did however beat the Mets bullpen after Harvey was pulled from the game.

Dave said...

I prefer to agree with d'grviii 8's point: the Nats hit the ball hard last night. One ground out the entire game. True, eight Ks, but they whacked it pretty good--just right to gloves (mostly Gomez's).

Today is a new day. GYFNG!

BigCat said...

Davey looked like a beaten man in the post game last night.

BigCat said...

A beaten down old man ready for the pasture

d'grviii 8 said...

This game was almost an exact duplicate of the last time the Nats faced Lohse, in Game 4 of the NLDS. That day he gave up a homer to LaRoche and not much else among all the fly balls. Yesterday it was a homer to Rendon and nothing else. The difference the last time was that Detwiler was better and Werth got to Lance Lynn in the 9th.

m said...

We can try and try to will this team to score runs and win but they are who they are. They do not appear to be clutch hitters. To be brutally honest they are just not that good. Although I am not thrilled with some of Rizzo's player moves, or his farm system or his lack of scouting presence on the international front, I do not think it is his fault that this team is stuck in neutral. It is not DJ's or Eck's fault either. For instance I just know that Eck is not telling Span to pull everything weakly to first or second base. It appears that these guys are either stubborn or not the smartest guys in the tool shed when it comes to hitting.

I don't think I am being negative but just honest. I am only commenting on what I am seeing over a reasonable sampling period.

natsfan1a said...

Oh, I see. They were on a West Coast road trip (late games = me no see) and then I was out of town. But I digress. Carry on.

I think I may have been traveling the week of his debut, but still...

NatsLady said...

m, actually, by the stats, they are OK as clutch hitters, in fact, they hit .262 in clutch situations (season) as opposed to overall batting average (non pitchers) of .241

R Scollar said...

Sorry to say this, but I think what we're seeing is exactly what they are. Embrace the mediocrity. Anyone else miss Morse? Yeah, I thought so.

Deadline will be interesting...don't even think about mortgaging the future for a run. Instead, I think the Nats should prepare for it, starting with clearing the way for Zim to 1B. LaRoche still has enough left in the tank to not only be interesting to other teams, but to bring in a prospect or two.

Secret wasian man said...

I was at game last night. Fireworks were nice. This is a very BORING baseball team. I think.500 would be good at this point. Also Spans fielding is great. But he is awful at the plate.

Secret wasian man said...

For those of you who still think this team can turn it around, nurse Ratchitt is waiting for you. You can't polish a turd.

m said...

Natslady:

If as you say they are okay as clutch hitters then what is the problem? Is there a problem? Maybe there is no problem aside from my expectation which might be out of line. Should I expect a 500 ball club. What do your stats say?

mick said...

There are only 2 possible answers on the Nats:

1) They are over rated and just not that good

2) They are not motivated and playing to their abilities

there are NO other reason.

If it is problem one, the answer would be to rebuild the team...they clearly only have 3 starting pitchers in my view. The other potential 2 starters they may already have so free agency they can avoid. Maybe it is Jordan, Purke, etc... who knows, maybe Giolotto in 1-2 years? They must rebuild bull pen...Clip is fine, Mathhues may be fine when back, Kroll is a keeper. Storen SUCKS, Abad is BAD and how many more years can Soriano go? Ths team has dead weight...Werth will be one year older and more injury prone eah season, ALR will only go down hill and Esppi is a FLOp period. Span has no power but is a great defensive player, with other good hitters he may fit.

If it is problem two...this would be a good problem. The solution is to nicely tell Davey not to let the door hit is ass on the way out. His passive/aggressive style could be destroying this young group. Get a young firey manager who is fair and honest with his players. a manger who gives tough love when needed and will call out a n underachieving player.

I personally believe that since this club won 98 last year, the talent is probably there and the problem is #2. Having said that...this team needs 2 more starting pitchers. I am done with Det. When the publlic address plays the music for our players that they choose, i recommend that Det choose the old Mr Softy ice cream music. He is as soft as I have ever seen a pitcher.

Also, picking up this Kelly dude is fitting, he is batting 196, he will fit in well.

Finally, I would have no problem giving Rizzo one more season to get this right, if the Lerners think so. The fat they have not resigned him tells me they are smarter than all of us

Joe Seamhead said...

I hope everybody on here has a great Independence Day, whether you're going to the game, or doing the BBQ thing, or whatever. God bless America, land of apple pie, cold beer, and baseball. It's a great country!

mick said...

what up Wasian man?..missed you last night...more and more posters are seeing the unfortunate light with this squad...the defenders of this night mare would have denied the Titanic sinking, lol

mick said...

amen Joe and add hot blondes too

mick said...

BigCat said...
Davey looked like a beaten man in the post game last night.

you mean Norv Turner

Unknown said...

At the park now. Time for a cold one!!

Ghost Of Steve M. said...

Perfect title "Out Of Answers". The Baseball Gods aren't helping this team but the Nats aren't helping themselves. 2 unearned runs. How different is this game if your deficit is 2-1.

NatsJack in Florida said...

Another beautiful day for Nats baseball! So much to look forward to and be thankful for. Baseball in the morning! What could be better?

Ghost Of Steve M. said...

Davey's answer is batting Desmond #2

Ghost Of Steve M. said...

ESPN is doing a segment called "Coming Home" for returning troops. Amazing.

Theophilus T. S. said...
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Theophilus T. S. said...

Who said, "We were in it until the end?" Desmond? or Custer?

The virus has now gone pandemic, infecting Harper and every other player (possible exceptions, Rendon and a couple of pitchers; should quarantine Rendon in Syracuse, before he catches attitude -- not altitude -- sickness).

How many people actually enjoyed that game? I see a couple of still-upraised hands . . . Good for you; by the end of the season you'll be able to move down from the mezzanine to your choice of field-level seats.

This is sort of an aside but still symptomatic. Johnson's riff on Espinosa in Syracuse reported in WaPo: sounds to me that "stubborn" is the new synonym for "stupid." (As if one was better than the other.)

NatsLady said...

m--very good question. And I'm not sure of the answer. Expectations were way high, of course. Now that actual team is on the field--however temporarily (because who knows about the next injury)--we shall see.

Raphael Talisman said...

A split would be nice. I also think dspan is a bette hitter then people think. He has been on a hot streak. There were plenty of chances last night. Worth:SO, Zimm:SO, Harper? Who knows. If the team is looking to the young Harp for leadership that says it all. "Eat Face" does not really light the fire I guess

Ghost Of Steve M. said...

Theophilus T. S. said...

This is sort of an aside but still symptomatic. Johnson's riff on Espinosa in Syracuse reported in WaPo: sounds to me that "stubborn" is the new synonym for "stupid." (As if one was better than the other.)


July 04, 2013 9:40 AM


Not sure you read my pre-game comment on this yesterday. This was from Davey's pre-game commenting on Espi who went 0-8 the day before and his BA dropped below .099 1/2 Mendoza.

What sickened me was Davey talking in hindsight like he saw it all the time but Espinosa had options and the Nats waited much too long to do anything and I still contend the change was needed in 2012.

Like Davey, I have thought it was mental and he also finally said it. "I think he’s got a misguided opinion that it’s okay if you hit .220 and hit 20 home runs."

Glad he said it because I have been saying for 2 years it's not okay. Others were willing to accept it because he hit HRs and plays good defense, but I also think what made it worse is that if Davey felt that way why wasn't a veteran brought in to compete in Spring Training and why didn't the team go after a 2nd baseman last July?

Espinosa's 1 for 15 in the playoffs was a difference in the post-season.

karlkolchak said...

Theophilus T. S. - Johnson's "riff" on Espinosa was inexplicable. He's not hurt? Really? Has Johnson SEEN the statistics on Danny at AAA? They would be bad for a pitcher at this point.

If I really believed Danny's shoulder injury was not the problem, I'd be worried that he is undergoing the equivalent of what happened to pitchers Rick Ankiel and Steve Blass when they "forgot" how to throw strikes.

Ghost Of Steve M. said...

Raphael Talisman said...
I also think dspan is a bette hitter then people think.


When your 1-2-3 hitters collectively put up an 0-fer you are in trouble plus those 2 unearned runs.

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Joe Seamhead said...

I remain positive. Why? Let me tell you why.
We have baseball in DC. We're not eliminated on July 4th.
Look, I don't agree with a lot of Davey's moves either. I'm frustrated, too, but I rooted for the Senators, and I've gone to 25-30 games a year since the Nats came to town. This 2013 may not be meeting your expectations, but they are not awful. The teams we watched from 2006 through 2011 were really, truly awful. I cheered for them anyway. Around 2009 I started seeing that there was an organization being built starting at the lowest level in the instructional league, and going up to the higher levels of the minors. Friends thought I was crazy when I told them the Nats were going to be competitive by 2011. Now, I've been to a lot of very stirring moments in sporting events from baseball, to football, hockey, boxing, etc. But nothing beat one night from last year, and that was a night when we didn't win the game, but we won the NL East title. For me, and for a lot of other old curmudgeons around me, it was almost a spiritual experience. I saw folks in their 50's, 60's, 70's with tears in their eyes. Our families waited generations for that moment. I will remain thankful to Mike Rizzo not just for last year, but for having a long term plan to bring us a competitive team for years to come. We may, or may not win a playoff spot this year, but I will remain thankful that we have this team, and will continue to believe in them, and in the words of the great sage, "It ain't over till it's over." Sorry some of you don't share my optimism, but I still think we got this, and I will think so until when the math says we are eliminated.GYFNG!!!

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