Mark appeared live on Geico SportsNet Central yesterday to talk Stephen Strasburg and whether Ross Detwiler can hold his weight if he replaces him for the playoffs.
If Ross keeps attacking the hitters the way he has, he will be great to have. Here's to him having whatever kind of day today that will allow him to beat the Braves, as a practice run at October.
As to previous thread. Closers always walk a tightrope. Chief Chad used to make us crazy. It comes with the territory . As for Det-- he is coming along but does need to bulk up a little in the off season.
So right after we get done with the great Stephen Strasburg Shutdown - we can start a new one for Giolito. Apparently the organization has a 50 page notebook outlining their protocols for young pitchers and TJ survivors. Keep it handy.
Agree Wonk, and I back Rizzo's decision to shut Stras down.
Mark says at the end of the clip "maybe the drop-off isn't going to be that significant" Bigtime disagreement here: 1 Detwiler start does not and can not = 2 Strasburg starts.
Do we have the horses (Daveyism) to compete and even win in a 7 games series? - yes. Would we be infinately better off with Stras, Heck YES.
I have absolutely no problem with Det as a starter in the playoffs. He's earned it.
Cookies, young man, cookies. And protein bars. And steaks. And eggs (preferably egg white omelettes, but I'm not getting too fussy here), protein shakes, steamed broccoli, fish, tuna, swordfish, broiled chicken, peanut butter, nuts, almond butter, tofu.
My diet, in other words. C'mon over any time you want, Det.
Davey -- Hi, Davey! -- I'll give him my address anytime.
Not sure if it's just "radio talk" but I've heard several talking heads, including Cal Ripken, rave about Detwiler's stuff...He's pretty nasty, I'd be more worried about his poise and toughness than his stuff...a bit of Weird Wuss I think...
I don't think the drop off is Stras to Detweiler. Everybody moves up one. The drop off is Stras to Gio or JZ. I think that's what Mark meant. Then the drop off at number 4 is EJax to Det- not significant.
Swift.. I think Det has gotten better as the season progressed. During the time when CMW was rehabbing, i can only imagine that Det was worried about being yanked back to the BP. Credit Mike G with giving him pep talks out in the Pen. Since CMW has gone back to rehab, Det has progressively gotten better. In other words more secure that he will stay a starter.
Swami @ 3:27 -- we must be doing a mind meld kind of thing -- that's exactly what I was about to write. And what you described is in fact the only accurate way to describe it, because Davey will NOT put Det in Stras' place in the rotation. Depending on timing and days off, #4 starters may not get any starts in the NLDS, and likely only one in the NLCS (or WS). The guy who gets the most starts is your new #1 starter, who would be Gio or JZimm (presumably depending on how each is doing and feeling at the time).
Anyone else notice how the video cut in seemingly halfway through? It seemed like they were talking about whether or not Strasburg would really be shut down before it cut in, and then Mark goes, "WHEN he gets shutdown, it will be Det".
If so, thanks Mark for editing out the portion of the video none of us needed to see!
Yes, everyone moves up one slot but in a 7 games series, assuming it goes 7, with Stras we have his 2 starts, one for EJax and none for Det. Gio and Zim get 2 starts either way. Without Stras, we get 1 more EJax start and one from Det. So we are losing 2 Strasburg starts and gaining for 1 EJax and 1 Det start. I'll take the horses we will have -- just get us to the 7 games series and Davey will let let them run.
It sure looks like new Det (since he rejoined the rotation on June 24) isn't nearly as prone to meltdowns as old Det. In his 10 starts, new Det has gone 7 innings four times, giving up 0 runs in two of thos starts and 1 and 2 runs in the other two. In his other starts, he has gone 5 innings twice, 6 and 6.2 innings, leaving before the end of the 5th only twice. The last of those was the only time new Det has allowed more than 4 runs (he allowed 5) and it was on a day he was sick, but pitched anyway. New Det's ERA and WHIP are 3.23 and 1.14. Not a big drop off from anyone else in the rotation, looking at the last two months. Looking at the last 3 weeks, SS is way ahead of just about everyone provided you only need a starter for 6 innings. I'm not worried about Det in the playoffs.
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If Ross keeps attacking the hitters the way he has, he will be great to have. Here's to him having whatever kind of day today that will allow him to beat the Braves, as a practice run at October.
"can hold his weight"?
Cookies! More cookies!
As to previous thread. Closers always walk a tightrope. Chief Chad used to make us crazy. It comes with the territory . As for Det-- he is coming along but does need to bulk up a little in the off season.
So right after we get done with the great Stephen Strasburg Shutdown - we can start a new one for Giolito. Apparently the organization has a 50 page notebook outlining their protocols for young pitchers and TJ survivors. Keep it handy.
Since the All Star Break -- Detwiler has ERA of 2.91 and an outstanding WHIP of 0.969 -- batting average against of .214
If anyone can pitch like that during the playoffs, we'd be thrilled!
Agree Wonk, and I back Rizzo's decision to shut Stras down.
Mark says at the end of the clip "maybe the drop-off isn't going to be that significant" Bigtime disagreement here: 1 Detwiler start does not and can not = 2 Strasburg starts.
Do we have the horses (Daveyism) to compete and even win in a 7 games series? - yes. Would we be infinately better off with Stras, Heck YES.
I have absolutely no problem with Det as a starter in the playoffs. He's earned it.
Cookies, young man, cookies. And protein bars. And steaks. And eggs (preferably egg white omelettes, but I'm not getting too fussy here), protein shakes, steamed broccoli, fish, tuna, swordfish, broiled chicken, peanut butter, nuts, almond butter, tofu.
My diet, in other words. C'mon over any time you want, Det.
Davey -- Hi, Davey! -- I'll give him my address anytime.
Not sure if it's just "radio talk" but I've heard several talking heads, including Cal Ripken, rave about Detwiler's stuff...He's pretty nasty, I'd be more worried about his poise and toughness than his stuff...a bit of Weird Wuss I think...
I don't think the drop off is Stras to Detweiler. Everybody moves up one. The drop off is Stras to Gio or JZ. I think that's what Mark meant. Then the drop off at number 4 is EJax to Det- not significant.
Swift.. I think Det has gotten better as the season progressed. During the time when CMW was rehabbing, i can only imagine that Det was worried about being yanked back to the BP. Credit Mike G with giving him pep talks out in the Pen. Since CMW has gone back to rehab, Det has progressively gotten better. In other words more secure that he will stay a starter.
He still freaks out occasionally but then so do Stras and Gio. It's a process.
Swami
And even our own Bulldog JZ got a little too amped up on Monday.. it's a process is right. As long as they show progress.
Swami @ 3:27 -- we must be doing a mind meld kind of thing -- that's exactly what I was about to write. And what you described is in fact the only accurate way to describe it, because Davey will NOT put Det in Stras' place in the rotation. Depending on timing and days off, #4 starters may not get any starts in the NLDS, and likely only one in the NLCS (or WS). The guy who gets the most starts is your new #1 starter, who would be Gio or JZimm (presumably depending on how each is doing and feeling at the time).
Anyone else notice how the video cut in seemingly halfway through? It seemed like they were talking about whether or not Strasburg would really be shut down before it cut in, and then Mark goes, "WHEN he gets shutdown, it will be Det".
If so, thanks Mark for editing out the portion of the video none of us needed to see!
Steady Eddie - Davey will also have some nice match up options with 2 righties and 2 lefties.This organization is just stacked.
Yes, everyone moves up one slot but in a 7 games series, assuming it goes 7, with Stras we have his 2 starts, one for EJax and none for Det. Gio and Zim get 2 starts either way. Without Stras, we get 1 more EJax start and one from Det.
So we are losing 2 Strasburg starts and gaining for 1 EJax and 1 Det start.
I'll take the horses we will have -- just get us to the 7 games series and Davey will let let them run.
It sure looks like new Det (since he rejoined the rotation on June 24) isn't nearly as prone to meltdowns as old Det. In his 10 starts, new Det has gone 7 innings four times, giving up 0 runs in two of thos starts and 1 and 2 runs in the other two. In his other starts, he has gone 5 innings twice, 6 and 6.2 innings, leaving before the end of the 5th only twice. The last of those was the only time new Det has allowed more than 4 runs (he allowed 5) and it was on a day he was sick, but pitched anyway. New Det's ERA and WHIP are 3.23 and 1.14. Not a big drop off from anyone else in the rotation, looking at the last two months. Looking at the last 3 weeks, SS is way ahead of just about everyone provided you only need a starter for 6 innings. I'm not worried about Det in the playoffs.
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