Tuesday, October 30, 2012

Handicapping award season

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Ian Desmond has a chance to win both a Gold Glove and a Silver Slugger award.
The regular season has long since ended. The postseason is now over, as well. And the offseason is about to kick into high gear.

But sandwiched in between all of that is another season, one that Nationals fans will need to pay attention to more than any previous year: Award season.

Yes, the time has come to hand out plaques, statues and bats and gloves made out of precious metals. The fun begins tonight with the Gold Glove awards, then concludes Nov. 15 with the MVP awards.

Plenty of Nationals are going to be in the mix for all of the honors. Let's run through each award and handicap everyone's chances...

GOLD GLOVES
Announced: Tonight, 9:30 p.m. (ESPN2)
Previous Nats winner: Ryan Zimmerman (2009)
Who votes: NL managers and coaches
Two Nationals infielders were named finalists: Ian Desmond and Adam LaRoche. Desmond faces stiff competition from three fellow shortstops: Jose Reyes, Jimmy Rollins and the Zack Cozart. Desmond has a strong case, but remember that managers and coaches tend to vote based on old-fashioned stats (errors, fielding percentage) and what they see with their own eyes. Rollins had the best fielding percentage (.978) and errors (13) of the group, with Cozart (.975, 14 errors) right behind him. Desmond committed 15 errors but spent five weeks on the DL, so his fielding percentage is a lower .970. Reyes had the most errors (18) with a .973 fielding percentage. LaRoche seems to have a better chance of winning. His .995 fielding percentage was second only to Carlos Lee's .996 among NL first basemen, and his seven errors were second only to Joey Votto (another finalist) and Lee's six. Freddie Freeman (12 errors, .991 fielding percentage) is the other finalist. What distinguishes LaRoche from the rest is his superb ability to scoop up bad throws from his fellow infielders.
Chance of Desmond winning: 25 percent
Chance of LaRoche winning: 50 percent

SILVER SLUGGERS
Announced: Nov. 8, 6 p.m. (MLB Network)
Previous Nats winners: Alfonso Soriano (2006), Ryan Zimmerman (2009, 2010)
Who votes: NL managers and coaches
There are several potential candidates off the Nationals roster, with Desmond and LaRoche in the mix as well as Ryan Zimmerman and ... Stephen Strasburg. (Yes, they give out a Silver Slugger to the best-hitting pitcher in the NL.) LaRoche has a strong case, having led first basemen with 33 homers and 100 RBI. His .510 slugging percentage was solid, too, though he trailed Joey Votto (.567), Allen Craig (.522), Garrett Jones (.516) and Corey Hart (.507) in that department. Votto's .337 batting average lapped the field, but the Reds slugger will be penalized for having played in only 111 games. Desmond has an almost air-tight case at shortstop, leading his position with 25 homers, a .292 average and .511 slugging percentage. Hanley Ramirez (24 homers, 92 RBI) and Jimmy Rollins (23 homers, 102 runs) present some worthy cases, but neither matches Desmond in overall offensive production. Zimmerman would have been a shoo-in to win his third Silver Slugger (and perhaps his first NL MVP) had he produced all season the way he did after receiving a June 24 cortisone shot in his shoulder, but managers and coaches aren't going to take that into consideration. There are plenty of worthy third baseman, from Chase Headley (31 homers, 115 RBI, .498 slugging percentage) to Aramis Ramirez (27 homers, 105 RBI, .540 slugging percentage) to David Wright (21 homers, 93 RBI, .306 average). Then there's Strasburg, who led all NL pitchers with seven RBI and five extra-base hits while finishing third with a .277 batting average behind Mike Leake (.295) and old pal Jason Marquis (.281).
Chance of LaRoche winning: 50 percent
Chance of Desmond winning: 75 percent
Chance of Zimmerman winning: 15 percent
Chance of Strasburg winning: 75 percent

ROOKIE OF THE YEAR
Announced: Nov. 12, 6 p.m. (MLB Network)
Previous best Nats finish: Ryan Zimmerman (2nd place, 2006)
Who votes: Baseball Writers Association of America
Bryce Harper certainly is among the favorites for this prestigious award, his 98 runs and 57 extra-base hits leading all NL rookies. He ranked second in homers (22) and stolen bases (18), third in slugging (.477) and fourth in OPS (.817). Harper's chief competition: Reds third baseman/outfielder Todd Frazier (.273, 19 homers), Rockies catcher Wilin Rosario (28 homers, 71 RBI) and Diamondbacks left-hander Wade Miley (16-11, 3.33 ERA).
Chance of Harper winning: 50 percent

MANAGER OF THE YEAR
Announced: Nov. 13, 6 p.m. (MLB Network)
Previous best Nats finish: Frank Robinson (4th place, 2005)
Who votes: BBWAA
Davey Johnson has as strong a case as anyone for this award, having guided a Nationals club that had never posted a winning record to a 98-win season that led the majors. His chief competition will be Dusty Baker, who also led the Reds to 98 wins, though that team had higher expectations entering the season. Historically, the BBWAA gives the Manager of the Year to the skipper whose team most exceeded preseason expectations, which makes Johnson the front-runner.
Chance of Johnson winning: 67 percent

CY YOUNG
Announced: Nov. 14, 6 p.m. (MLB Network)
Previous best Nats finish: Chad Cordero (5th place, 2005)
Who votes: BBWAA
Gio Gonzalez is in the running for his first Cy Young Award, his case built behind the fact he won an MLB-best 21 games while posting a 2.89 ERA, leading the league in strikeouts per nine innings (9.3) and fewest hits allowed per nine innings (6.7). But Gonzalez is going to have a tough time overtaking knuckleball sensation R.A. Dickey, who won 20 games with a 2.73 ERA, a league-best 230 strikeouts and a league-best 27 quality starts. Clayton Kershaw (13-9, 2.58 ERA, 221 strikeouts) also has a case, as does dominant Braves closer Craig Kimbrel (1.02 ERA, 42 saves, 113 strikeouts in only 61 innings).
Chance of Gonzalez winning: 25 percent

MVP
Announced: Nov. 15, 6 p.m. (MLB Network)
Previous best Nats finish: Alfonso Soriano (6th place, 2006)
Who votes: BBWAA
There's really no legitimate chance of a Nationals player winning the most prestigious of postseason awards, but both Desmond and LaRoche should find their way on plenty of ballots (voters are instructed to list their top 10 players). It'll be interesting to see who gets more votes between the two; LaRoche was a more consistent presence all season, but Desmond carried the club for a good stretch over the summer before he was sidelined with a strained oblique muscle. As for the actual winner of the award, as the season wound down, it appeared to be a showdown between batting champ Buster Posey and reigning MVP Ryan Braun.
Chance of Desmond winning: .001 percent
Chance of LaRoche winning: .001 percent

100 comments:

Ghost Of Steve M. said...

Love Mark's chance of Nats winning the MVP

baseballswami said...

Thanks for the new post :) Guess this means the Z family survived Sandy. I love it that your post was long and extensive because that means we have many Nats who are in the conversations. Lets' see - Cy Young, Gold Glove, MVP, Silver Slugger, Manager - legitimate candidates for all. Nice. I think Bryce should be bonus points for helping his team win a division and go to the post season for the very first time.

Ghost Of Steve M. said...

The 2 sure bets seem to be Davey for Mgr of the Year and Desi for Silver Slugger. Bryce should win ROY but Mileys stats are impressive.

Gonat said...

Ghost Of Steve M. said...
Love Mark's chance of Nats winning the MVP

October 30, 2012 1:02 PM
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Mark's chance or Desi/LaRoche chance of winning the MVP at .001 each.

Ghost Of Steve M. said...

Gonat, Mark is our MVP for sure. I'm interested to see how many votes Desi and LaRoche get plus whether Bryce gets any 10th place votes.

Positively Half St. said...

Did Zimmerman have a bad year at third? I am surprised that he wasn't a finalist for the Gold Glove.

+1/2St.

Mickey Vernon said...

My MVNI (Most Valuable Nats Insider)? Three-way tie between MicheleS, NatsLady and Natsfan1a. Baseball savvy, always positive, resourceful, funny. All of you get the Golden Mickey!

Gonat said...

Positively Half St. said...
Did Zimmerman have a bad year at third? I am surprised that he wasn't a finalist for the Gold Glove.

+1/2St.

October 30, 2012 1:47 PM
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There was a lot of discussion on that in the last thread. I thought the same as you on Zim.

Navy Nats Fan said...

Although Zimmerman had many many awesome plays at the hot corner, he also had a few throws either into the stands, the tarp, or the ground 5 feet in front of LaRoche - those tend to stick in the mind and were too much to be nominated. However, his throws may actually help LaRoche's chances since Adam caught almost every single one that he had even the slighest chance of catching.

Section 222 said...

This post shows why the Nats were the most successful *team* in MLB. No serious MVP candidate, but several legitimate Gold Glove and Silver Slugger candidates. Plus, we have the RoY (really, did any of the others change games the way Bryce did?), and a shot at the CY.

Since all of these guys except for ALR are young and can legitimately expect to be even better next year, we are going to dominate for years to come.

I expect Desi will win the SS, and Harper ROY. ALR should win the GG. Anything on top of that would be gravy.

Gonat said...

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20121029&content_id=40120220&vkey=news_was&c_id=was&partnerId=rss_was

From Ladson: Veteran arm, leadoff man top Nats' free-agency list

It didn't take long for Ladson's push for Michael Bourn.

Leadoff hitter: Jayson Werth did a great job at the top spot this past season, but he is expected to be in the middle of the order next year. Braves outfielder Michael Bourn is expected to file for free agency and could be a big help to the Nationals as a leadoff hitter. This past season, Bourn hit .274, scored 96 runs and stole 42 bases for the Braves.

Section 222 said...

No way Zim deserved to be nominated much less win the GG at 3B. Yes, he had a bad year. Lots of errors, especially throwing errors.

Mark, didn't mention that offense seems to play into the selections for GG. How much do folks think that matters?

JaneB said...

In other news, an article about what MLB is doing to reduce the number of breaking bats. About a week old but still good. http://www.psmag.com/blogs/news-blog/major-league-baseball-broken-bats-48576/

rarumberger said...

Section 222 - I wish it didn't matter, but it does. Ryan freaking Braun is nominated for a Gold Glove in left, for Pete's sake. Who's next, Holliday? MORSE?

Also, Danny Espinosa would be a GG candidate if he struck out less - fact.

Ghost Of Steve M. said...

Ladson mentions Bourn but if LaRoche gets re-signed then the chance of Bourn being signed is small.

What concerns me about Bourn is his speed numbers and steal % is way down.

Werth put up much higher OBP and power numbers but not the steals.

If LaRoche leaves than its Bourn at leadoff, Morse to cleanup and Werth to the 5. That seems to be an overall step back in OPS.

peric said...

Also, Danny Espinosa would be a GG candidate if he struck out less - fact.

Nevertheless, he managed to raise his average from .236 the previous year to .247. No mean feat considering how low it was at the 1/2 way point. Plus there's the 37 DOUBLES, 2 triples, and 17 homers to go with that.

How many players on the Nats hit 37 doubles?

Fact is he is one of the best 2nd basemen in baseball and probably has the best range of any currently starting.

Give the guy a break will ya?

peric said...

Werth put up much higher OBP and power numbers but not the steals.

We can't know if its the player or Davey at this point. He did say he doesn't like to steal all that often. Its another out in his eye. Harper stretching singles to doubles, and doubles to triples probably already give him palpitations ... ~laughing~

Look, Ladson is a fool. What happened when Eury Perez stole third base without permission? We didn't see him for a very long time ... and when we did he didn't risk a steal as a pinch runner.

If Davey is re-upped which is the #1 priority, you won't see Bourn period. Whether LaRoche signs or not you will **NOT** Bourn. Its just another excuse to poke fun at Ladson's totally wrong predictions.

baseballswami said...

Agreed on the Team Concept -- I think the nats resemble the Giants in many ways and this is one of them. A true team is more than the sum of its parts. I also think one of the reasons we were able to overcome so many injuries is that the talent is spread throughout the team and oozes right down to the bench and bullpen. Individual accolades are nice, but going to the post season is nicer! And a ring would be even nicer still.

JD said...


Peric is right about Espinosa; his overall numbers in 2012 are head and shoulders better than Desi's 2011. Better OBP, better power and better defense.

Don't let the high K rate overshadow overall performance. Yes there is lots of room for improvement but give me Espi over Scutaro 6 days a week and twice on Sundays.

JD said...


The idea that Werth belongs in the middle of the order is old school and is wrong. He is not a power guy, not a particularly good RBI guy and is likely in a decline stage of his career. What he is good at still is strike zone recognition, the ability to spoil good pitches and mainly the ability to get on base often; sounds like a lead off guy to me.

JD said...


Swami,

If Cincinnati finishes off the Giants as they should have we are not talking about how wonderful a team they are. This is a very average team with some excellent pitching which got hot and lucky at the right time; that's it.

The playoffs are conducive to such occurrences.

Ghost Of Steve M. said...

JD, Espi is not clutch. His .209 RISP BA in 2012 compared to Desi's .296 RISP BA in 2011 plus Desi's vast improvement from July 1 2011 to the end of the season showed you what you are getting.

Desi had a horrific 1st half of 2011 but he was clutch and improved vastly as the 2011 went on and you see that improvement now.

Espi wasn't clutch. He froze in key situations and he got worse over the entire 2nd half if 2012.

Stop comparing Desi and Espi and just figure out how to keep Espi consistent.






Gonat said...

JD said...

The idea that Werth belongs in the middle of the order is old school and is wrong. He is not a power guy, not a particularly good RBI guy and is likely in a decline stage of his career. What he is good at still is strike zone recognition, the ability to spoil good pitches and mainly the ability to get on base often; sounds like a lead off guy to me.

October 30, 2012 2:59 PM
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I'm in agreement with that too. I think he is either a leadoff or a 6 or 7 hitter. I would hate to see the Nats weakened in the 4 and 5 holes if LaRoche was to leave.

Gonat said...

Ghost Of Steve M. said...
Stop comparing Desi and Espi and just figure out how to keep Espi consistent.
October 30, 2012 3:11 PM
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Great point. Why do people keep trying to compare Espi to Desi? Compare Espi with Espi because he is a tale of 2 ballplayers. Who is he? The July 2012 player? The April 2011 player or the September 2012 player?

He has many long slumps and a few hot streaks which is a very inconsistent player. I see a player with power who sees himself as a power hitter and that's what I believe causes his problems.

JD said...


Ghost,

my point is that it's too early to give up on Espi and I am using Desi as an example which I feel is valid.

I am not a great proponent of the notion of 'clutch'. I think this normally evens out over the years.

JD said...

'He has many long slumps and a few hot streaks which is a very inconsistent player. I see a player with power who sees himself as a power hitter and that's what I believe causes his problems.'

That's exactly what everyone said about Desi a year ago.

Section 222 said...

Agree with JD and Gonat about Werth. He shouldn't move to the middle of the order until he shows his power is really back, and maybe even not then. Davey doesn't like to steal, and Werth is a great baserunner going 1st to 3rd and making things happen when he's on base. Right now, he's a plus leadoff hitter, and will be even better with more power to drive in runners who get on base from the bottom of the order.

Agree with Ghost that OF - Werth, Bourn, Harper, 1B-Morse is a step down or back from OF- Morse, Harper, Werth, 1B- ALR. That's the choice. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure ALR won't stay without a 3 year deal, and Rizzo won't offer him that. But that's a discussion we've had many times, and we'll know the answer soon enough.

Disagree with peric on Espi. He had a crappy year despite the doubles and despite the creeping up of his BA. His frequent Ks were often rally killers. He plays great D, but a championship team needs a better hitting 2B. If he doesn't improve he should be traded.

Gonat said...

Here's Espi's production during Nats losses which was by far worst on the Nats. He has to carry his weight. .187BA .235OBP .298SLG .533OPS Those are beyond bad.

baseballswami said...

One of the best things about keeping Jayson at leadoff is the affect he seems to have on Bryce at the second spot. Bryce watches everything Jayson does and it seems to have a positive affect on him to follow him. Jayson takes lots of pitches for Bryce to watch on deck. It's almost like JW is blocking for Bryce. JW has talked about how he does not make things easy on Bryce and holds him accountable. Their relationship is really interesting to watch. There seems to be a synergy going on when they are together in the line up.

Ghost Of Steve M. said...

Very few players improve like Desi and I never was concerned by his mechanics rather his approach.

Espi is a flawed batter. He has mechanics and approach issues and he finished the last 60 days poorly. He regresses at key times. The team needs better but I have said he needs to be given Spring Training to show improvement or else needs to work it out in AAA which is what I said last year. I never felt that way about Desi as you could see he was close in 2011 and finished strong.

NatsJack in Florida said...

I've never seen any hitter transform themselves from a strikeout every third at bat to a selective, high on base, grinder at the plate.

Danny may improve, but his habit of striking out way too much will probably remain.

baseballswami said...

Adam Dunn never figured out how to cut down on his strike outs.

Gonat said...

NatsJack in Florida said...
I've never seen any hitter transform themselves from a strikeout every third at bat to a selective, high on base, grinder at the plate.

Danny may improve, but his habit of striking out way too much will probably remain.

October 30, 2012 3:47 PM
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He was in the top 12 worst swing & miss % in the Majors and not a power hitter. I think SteveM is right, approach and mechanics issues and that's a death wish combo in the Majors. Changing both is tough but the silver lining may be in tweaking both and getting some improvement with consistency.

I also wouldn't suggest getting rid of Espi. I do agree that he has Spring Training with no excuses to show improvement.

Gonat said...

baseballswami said...
Adam Dunn never figured out how to cut down on his strike outs.

October 30, 2012 3:49 PM
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Yes, and Adam Dunn is a true power hitter. Espi just thinks he is.

baseballswami said...

I would also suggest some humbling time in AAA while Lombo tears it up in the majors, or some platooning while he has time to think as he sits on the bench. Right now he has zero motivation to do anything different - he knows he is the managers pet.

rabbit34 said...

Too much gobble-de-gooook to read. Just wait to see what the results are. Then we can all just say...Oh, ok.

baseballswami said...

ESPN 2 at 9?

Ghost Of Steve M. said...

baseballswami, that's beyond humbling, just ask Lannan who got over the humbling, the anger, and came back with something to prove, and he did.

baseballswami said...

Ghost- I was thinking about Lannan- he went to AA in 2011, Syracuse in 2012 and sucked it up and worked hard. I don 't think Danny spent a long time in the minors. It could be the right place for him to figure things out , out of the spotlight. Not as a punishment, just as an adjustment.

JD said...


And yet he was still a 3.8 WAR player based mostly on spectacular defense.

What I am saying is that he still has enormous potential and lets not be too hasty to dispatch him elsewhere by giving him unrealistic deadlines or else. It's worth the investment in the end.

Nats Jack,

No he will never be a patient hitter but neither did Desi and look at him now.

MicheleS said...

Peavy just signed 2 year deal with White Sox

Theophilus T. S. said...

"What concerns me about Bourn is his speed numbers and steal % is way down.'

He ain't getting any faster.

Dunn never tried to cut down on the no. of Ks. To my mind he has fallen into the Dave Kingman category of player.

baseballswami said...

What concerns me about Bourn is that Davey Johnson doesn't really believe in stealing that many bases - so why would we want a guy known for base stealing? What we need is a guy who can play center field - Bryce. What we need is a guy who can play center field and hit with some power - Bryce. We also need a lead off hitter - Jayson Werth. Why does one player need to fulfill all the roles at once?

PChuck said...

I think Desmond's GG chances are much better than that because the error and fp numbers are almost identical for all of them and Desmond had a MONSTER year offensively. Offense production, though it isn't supposed to be, is a big part of choosing gold glove winners.

BigCat said...

Here is the thing. We had the best record in baseball. why all the talk about change? We are young and athletic. Keep things the same way going into ST. But we gotta sign Laroche. I'd sign Jackson too. He is an inning eater who doesn't complain. He has been unhittable at times. Too much is made about the money. its 8 bucks for a beer and 7 bucks for a sausage dog at the stadium.....and 25-40 bucks to park. Jackson throws 94 mph and has a "swing and miss" slider. Show me a better #4 starter in MLB

BigCat said...

The only ones on the bubble, in my mind, would be espi and Morse.

Gonat said...

JD said...

And yet he was still a 3.8 WAR player based mostly on spectacular defense.
October 30, 2012 5:30 PM
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The Managers on opposing NL teams didn't see him as a great defender as he didn't even make the Top 3 at 2nd base.

Lombo's arm isn't great but he made every play around him and I didn't see a drop-off when Lombo played 2nd base when Espi shifted to SS.

My hope is that JD is right and Espi magically puts it all together with the bat.

JD said...


Gonat,

The GG competition is a popularity context and has nothing to do with real defense. When Ryan Broun is mentioned in the same sentence as the word defense you know it's not a serious award.

There is very little doubt that Espinosa is in the top 2 defensive 2nd basemen in the NL (with Brandon Philips). Lombo is ok at 2nd but he is nowhere the athlete Espi is and he doesn't get to balls Espi gets to.

Gonat said...

JD, I personally like the jumps and plays Braun makes. I've seen him play a lot and think he is above average. Is he Gold Glove, no.

Gonat said...

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20121030&content_id=40126988&vkey=news_was&c_id=was&partnerId=rss_was

Good info on Goodwin and a nice video. I'm hoping that both Rendon and Goodwin are going to put Rizzo in a tough decision mid-2013 to call them up.

NatsJack in Florida said...

I have the same opinion of Braun defensively. He is better than adequate and has improved by leaps and bounds since moving to left field but Gold Glove? ...Hardly.

Gonat said...

NatsJack, its amazing how much we agree. Can't wait to see you March 1st but before then, much planning on shaping this team LOL

NatsJack in Florida said...

Gonat.....I'm really interested in how Rizzo reshuffles and constructs the entire 40 man roster. Aside from LaRoche and Jackson, I expect several tough decisions not so readily apparent will have to be made.

NatsJack in Florida said...

And in the meantime, the Wizards still stink.

Don said...

Gold Glove for Desi? Come on Zuck. Desi's just not a very good glove man.

Gonat said...

NatsJack, will it be 3 years in a row that Riz trades with Beane?

By the way, it looks like the Braves set their pitching staff with picking up options on Hudson and Maholm.

NatsLady said...

Rays picked up the option on James Shields. Maybe they will look to trade him. They need a 1B and offense. Morse for Shields? Throw in a prospect.

Goodwin is the AFL player of the week.

NatsLady said...

I agree with BigCat. Sign LaRoche and make the qualifying offer to Jackson. With luck EJax will accept.

Gonat said...

NatsLady said...
I agree with BigCat. Sign LaRoche and make the qualifying offer to Jackson. With luck EJax will accept.

October 30, 2012 8:32 PM
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"With luck EJax will accept." Are you kidding me? $13.3 million for a 4.00+ ERA pitcher?

NatsLady, you were the one that kept saying wait until the post-season because that's why Rizzo got EJax. He didn't do the job at the most critical times.

To me, time to turn the page and get the pitcher you thought EJax was supposed to be.

Mark Zuckerman said...

Don said...
Gold Glove for Desi? Come on Zuck. Desi's just not a very good glove man.


While I disagree with your sentiment -- I think Desmond had a very strong year in the field -- I'm not the one suggesting he could win the Gold Glove. He was named one of four finalists for the award.

Speaking of which ... show begins at 9:30 p.m. on ESPN2 for all those interested to watch.

I'll have a new story posted as soon as the results are announced.

NatsLady said...

Y'know, Gonat, I don't really care what I said last year or last week. I wrote what I think at the present moment. I'm so tired of this constant who said what when and who was right or wrong when, and pulling posts from a year ago. Have a nice evening.

baseballswami said...

I have been getting messages all day about options being picked up for players. Each time I think it's going to be a Nat - but then, no. I was thinking about EJax - he CAN really be good, but maybe he would be more consistent if he had a real home and a team that he actually belonged to instead of always knowing he has to keep things in boxes. Maybe he would be more settled with the same coaching and the same teammates for more than one year.He does have talent. Go Desi! Go Adam!!

Gonat said...

I tried to keep an open mind about EJax thinking others were seeing something I didn't see so I bought in just to be disappointed time after time and nothing was worse than being crushed sitting in Nats Park for the 1st home playoff game ever when EJax gave up 4 runs in the 1st 2 innings.

Yes, he pitched 15 good games for this team and 3 horrible games, 5 lousy games, and 8 average to below average games but it was the 1 post-season game that summed it up at the most critical time when Edwin gave up 4 runs in the 1st 2 innings of this years NLDS.

You don't pay $13.3 million for a pitcher who is as inconsistent as EJax and didn't perform at the most critical times.

baseballswami said...

Agreed that he is not worth 13.3. If we could pay him for what he actually does, though.... Could John Lannan give us those innings with about the same results? I think maybe he could. If you don't compare "stuff" or resumes, just results.

Ghost Of Steve M. said...

GMs take gambles all the time with impending Free Agents by making contractual offers that they expect to be turned down just so the team can receive draft compensation.

I see Edwin Jackson fitting in that category.

baseballswami said...

Wait- it's not on.

Gonat said...


From MLBTR: •Edwin Jackson: This case probably gives the Nationals pause, as $13.3MM is a bit steep for Jackson. Still, they had good results for $11MM in 2012 and are likely to take the risk of the 21% raise. I imagine Jackson is all about a multiyear deal this time, anyway.
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That's MLBTR's take on EJax.

MicheleS said...

WOW! I just get in and i missed nothing. GO DESI GO ADAM!

baseballswami said...

This show is pretty cheesy. Can't believe Reddick beat Trout.

MicheleS said...

Wow Adam Jones over Trout. I except next year in the NL that Bryce will get it.

MicheleS said...

Swami. Reddick is RF trout is CF. They do separate the by position in bow in the OF

and yes this is cheezy

baseballswami said...

Seriously though- this show is, what can I say? Pretty bad as a show. Andre Dawson - no future in tv.

baseballswami said...

Oh, yeah, it was jones. Just surprised it was not trout.

baseballswami said...

They don't seem to give any credit for throwing people out at home or third. I would think that would be part of good defense.

MicheleS said...

Wait J Hey wins? Geesh he ought to give it to Bryce since Bryce schooled him in the OF play in ATL earlier this year.

Gonat said...

baseballswami said...
Seriously though- this show is, what can I say? Pretty bad as a show. Andre Dawson - no future in tv.

October 30, 2012 10:01 PM
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That State Farm commerical with Andre Dawson and Kerry Wood is funny.

I think ESPN was banking on that and got this.

Gonat said...

baseballswami said...
Oh, yeah, it was jones. Just surprised it was not trout.

October 30, 2012 10:02 PM
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For those UZR lovers, Trout led all AL centerfielders and Jones was way down the list with a negative UZR and who could forget that mis-read by Jones vs. the Yankees in the All Star game that probably cost them the game.

MicheleS said...

This show is pathetic. No one can make it funny

MicheleS said...

How in hades did Hardy win? Someone explain that to me.

Gonat said...

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=cf&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=700&type=1&season=2012&month=0&season1=2012&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

Yep, look how far Bryce is on the UZR for CF. Very impressive. With his arm and range, Bryce just needs to work on hitting cutoffs.

Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me said...

Bernie's game-ending catch in center field has got to be in the top three of the yearly web gems, right?

baseballswami said...

Do the voters actually watch a decent sample size on the players or is it based on an impression? Seems like it's somewhat reputation or a well- publicized highlight. How can you not show an outfielder throwing someone out at the plate? It 's not just catching.

Gonat said...

MicheleS said...
How in hades did Hardy win? Someone explain that to me.

October 30, 2012 10:16 PM
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Someone said it on Twitter, Angelos must have something over Rawlings because Jones in CF and while Hardy at SS is good, how doesn't Brendan Ryan win. It makes a mockery over the stats and actual play by much more deserving players.

Jones defense really dropped off this past season. Trout wins that award running away, glove arm and degree of difficulty.

MicheleS said...

Yea ADAM!!!

Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me said...

"WOO-HOO!!"

Like everything else thrown his way this year, ALR snares it. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

Now, please sign the guy to a multi-year, please. Pretty please?

Gonat said...

Woohoo Adam LaRoche! He did it!

baseballswami said...

Adam!!!!!

Gonat said...

Wow, Darwin Barney but that is the right call.

Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me said...

Screw Rollins.

baseballswami said...

Boo- Rollins is old and sucks.

Gonat said...

I demand a recount. Jimmy Rollins. Another in a long line of jokes tonight but not expected.

MicheleS said...

Jimmy rollins Is a DOUCHE BAG AND DIDN'T DESERVE IT! BOOOOO

baseballswami said...

Zim is better than all three of those guys.

Gonat said...

MicheleS said...
Jimmy rollins Is a DOUCHE BAG AND DIDN'T DESERVE IT! BOOOOO

October 30, 2012 10:25 PM
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A big "agree" on that comment!

Mark Zuckerman said...

Full story on LaRoche's first career Gold Glove posted.

baseballswami said...

Shocked Brandon Phillips lost. That means Danny has a chance next year.

SonnyG10 said...

Congrats to Adam on his gold glove.

MicheleS said...

Headley got it for his offense. Ryan will win it next year and so will you be DESI!

baseballswami said...

I think Darwin Barney just slammed Phillips. Not overtly, but there was a dig in there.

Tcostant said...

Has anyone seen their credit for the NLCS yet? Today was suppose to be the last drop dead day. I know they might blame "Sandy" but the fact is these were suppose to be processed last week and it might take 'til today to post. Does anyone have an update?

P.S. Congrads to ALR, he was the best 1B in the league by far.

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