Sunday, April 28, 2013

Game 25: Nats vs. Reds

Photo by USA Today
The Nationals' starting rotation has put in a string of solid outings to help lead Washington out of the darkness of their four-game losing streak and sweep by the St. Louis Cardinals. Now it's Ross Detwiler's (1-1, 1.38 ERA) turn to take the hill and help his team go for a four-game sweep of the Cincinnati Reds and set the Nats up well for their upcoming road trip.

Detwiler faced the Reds earlier this season and allowed zero runs through six innings. In four starts this year he has pitched at least through the sixth and allowed two runs or less each time out. Detwiler has a 2.48 ERA with 20 strikeouts in 29 innings in his career vs. Cincinnati, but is 0-3 in those games. Today he'll look for his first win against the franchise.

Pitching for Cincinnati is fellow young lefty Tony Cingrani. The former third round pick of the 2011 draft will be making his sixth appearance in a major league game and just his third start. So far this season he is 1-0 with a 2.25 ERA and 17 strikeouts in 12 innings pitched.

The Nats have dropped Adam LaRoche to sixth in the batting order after going hitless in his last 22 at-bats. Ian Desmond has moved up a slot after having a good day on Saturday with a walk, RBI, and run scored.

Updates to come...

CINCINNATI REDS at WASHINGTON NATIONALS
Where: Nationals Park
Gametime: 1:35 p.m. EDT
TV: MASN, MLB.tv
Radio: WJFK (106.7 FM), WFED (1500 AM)
Weather: Partly cloudy, 68 degrees, Wind 6 mph in from LF
NATIONALS (13-11)
CF Denard Span
2B Danny Espinosa
LF Bryce Harper
RF Jayson Werth
SS Ian Desmond

1B Adam LaRoche
3B Anthony Rendon
C Kurt Suzuki
LHP Ross Detwiler

REDS (13-12)
CF Shin-Soo Choo
SS Zack Cozart
1B Joey Votto
2B Brandon Phillips
3B Todd Frazier
RF Jay Bruce
LF Xavier Paul
C Corky Miller
LHP Tony Cingrani

UMPIRES
HP Sam Holbrook (cc)
1B Paul Nauert
2B Andy Fletcher
3B Rob Drake
1:39 p.m. -- We are underway here at Nats Park. Game time temperature at 68 degrees with an overcast.

1:56 p.m. -- Taking three straight games in the fashion the Nats did would be tough against any team, especially one as good as the Reds. And so far today it looks like Cincinnati has no intention of going down four days in a row. Detwiler struck out Choo swinging to lead off the game, but gave up a string of hits that has the Reds up 2-0 after the top of the first. Cozart singled, Votto doubled opposite field down the line, and then Phillips batted both home with a line drive up the middle. After one Detwiler has thrown 35 pitches (24 strikes).

2:05 p.m. -- A crisp inning for Cingrani as the Nats go down in order. Denard Span lined out to left field before Espinosa went down swinging on a full count. Harper also worked Cingrani to 3-2, but promptly grounded out to second base. The Reds' lefty is at 17 pitches (9 strikes).

2:15 p.m. -- The Reds got another one across to make it 3-0 in the second, but honestly it could have been much worse. Cingrani got on because of a fluke play where his grounder hit the third base bag and bounced up and over a diving Rendon. Choo then reached base because Espinosa made an error trying to catch a throw from Rendon at second. Cozart then walked before Votto singled home the pitcher. Phillips lined into a 3-6 double play to end the inning. With all that went wrong, one run was all the damage. Detwiler at 53 (33 strikes).

2:24 p.m. -- It's only been two innings, but the Nats lineup is having no luck against Cingrani. The Reds lefty got through the order 1-2-3 on 15 pitches, striking out both Desmond and LaRoche to cap the frame. He is placing his fastball on the corners in the low to mid 90s and getting ahead early in counts. Maybe they will have more success after seeing him one time through the order. Cingrani is at 32 pitches (19 strikes) after two as we head to the third inning.

2:29 p.m. -- Detwiler finally has a quiet inning, needing just ten pitches to get through the top of the third. He let up a single to Frazier to begin the inning, but got a double play shortly thereafter by Jay Bruce. Bruce hit a hard grounder to LaRoche who tossed it to second and then caught the second out for a 3-6-3 turn. Paul then grounded out to end the inning. Detwiler at 63 pitches (40 strikes) through three. That quick frame could help him go a little deeper in this game, some runs would surely help as well.

2:35 p.m. -- Three up, three down for the Nats as Cingrani has retired them in order through his first look at the lineup. Rendon lined out to center, Suzuki popped out to shallow right field, and Detwiler went down looking. Cingrani is at 46 pitches (27 strikes).

2:47 p.m. -- Another run for the Reds who now lead the Nats 4-0. Corky Miller led off with a single that bounced off Detwiler's thigh. He was moved to second on a sacrifice bunt by Cingrani. Choo grounded out to Espinosa which moved Miller to third. Miller was then sent home by Cozart with an infield single. Cozart hit a hard grounder to Rendon who made a diving grab, but couldn't make an accurate throw to first. LaRoche had to step off the bag which allowed Cozart to be safe. Detwiler at 81 pitches (53 strikes) through four.

3:02 p.m. -- The Nats finally made some noise against Cingrani, but leave the fourth with no runs scored. Span got on base after striking out as the final pitch got away from Miller at the plate. Espinosa then doubled down the RF line to get both in scoring position. Harper struck out swinging before Werth reached on a walk. Desmond and LaRoche, however, then struck out to end the inning. LaRoche is now hitless in his last 24 at-bats. He had words with home plate ump Sam Holbrook after going down looking on a high 96 mph fastball. Cingrani at 70 pitches (43 strikes).

3:07 p.m. -- The Reds didn't score in the fifth, but got two guys on base with two outs. Bruce singled up the middle and was joined by Paul who singled on an infield bloop. He sliced a ball just past the pitcher's mound that dropped over Detwiler's head as he tried to step back and catch it. Miller then flew out to end the inning. Detwiler is at 89 pitches (59 strikes).

3:20 p.m. -- Today just might not be the Nats' day. They got a leadoff single by Rendon, but once again made mistakes to squander the chance. Suzuki and a pinch-hitting Tyler Moore went down quickly before Denard Span came up to work a full count. Span hit a liner right to Paul in left field, but he missed the catch and dropped it. Rendon, however, hesitated on the base path and was thrown out at home by Paul. Still nothing going for the Nats as they trail 4-0 with Craig Stammen heading to the mound. Detwiler left with 5 IP, 11 H, BB, 4 R, 3 ER, 3 SO.

3:29 p.m. -- Stammen pitched a good inning despite dealing with a throwing error by Rendon to let Cozart on with two outs. Stammen did all he could do, but Rendon made his third error in his last six games. Sloppy game so far today by the Nats. Still 4-0 as we move to the bottom of the sixth.

3:38 p.m. -- Cingrani sets the Nats 1-2-3 with his 10th and 11th strikeouts of the game. He got both Harper and Werth looking after Span flew out to start the inning. The young lefty has 110 pitches through six and has thrown a gem. No one up in the Reds' bullpen yet either.

4:10 p.m. -- The Nats got on the board in the seventh and probably could have scored more. Desmond led off with a single and moved to second after Rendon walked. Kurt Suzuki then roped a double into the corner in left field. Desmond scored, but Rendon was held at third by Trent Jewett even though Paul dropped the ball and would have had little time to make a throw to home. Two ground outs later and the Nats are still down 4-1 with Henry out to pitch the top of the eighth.

4:26 p.m. -- Henry Rodriguez has been better lately, looking like he may have turned a corner. Today, however, Henry was at his worst throwing just four strikes on 17 pitches to walk the bases loaded. He was replaced by Ryan Mattheus who let the run in on a sac fly by Cozart. Now 5-1 Reds with Espinosa, Harper, and Werth up for the Nats.

4:47 p.m. -- The Nats get their second run of the game, but once again leave the inning blowing a chance for more. Harper got them started with a walk by Jonathan Broxton. He was then scored from first on a double by Desmond. Desmond popped it up to shallow right, but a sliding Choo couldn't make the grab. LaRoche then flew out to end the inning. 0-for-26 for ALR.

4:55 p.m. -- A 1-2-3 inning for Ryan Mattheus in the top of the ninth as the Nats will have Rendon, Suzuki, and probably Chad Tracy in to face Aroldis Chapman. Still 5-2 Reds.

5:05 p.m. -- That's the ballgame, folks. Aroldis Chapman shuts the Nats down as they fall 5-2 to the Reds.

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jeffwx said...

Noone in the lineup....could be a close game

natsfan1a said...

Maybe they're going for a "Baseball Bugs" scenario. My money's on Det if so. :-)

jeffwx said...

Nats impact hitters: Span, Harper, Zimmerman, Desmond, Werth, Ramos in my humble opinion.
not bad and either ALR/TYMO will become one too.

Marty said...

This would be a wonderful day for ALR to get some rest...

jeffwx said...

Yes, Det has more ABs so I'm going with our guy.
Will have to miss the game live but maybe I'm not missing much with those lineups.

original Nats Fan said...

the invisible men, Det doesn't need much support

Candide said...

So is this lineup better or worse than a lineup consisting of only LaRoche, Espi, and Det?

Discuss.

jeffwx said...

One advantage of current lineup...little chance of inning ending double plays.

Section 222 said...

A few random thoughts as we await the lineups and a chance for a sweep (!!).

One thing this season has shown already, as if we needed any reminder -- it's pointless to make judgments during the first month of the season about whether trades are panning out or players are improving or declining.

Remember during Spring Training when the Dodgers had a ridiculous overabundance of starting pitchers? I heard last night they have now used 9 different starters already. Just shows you can't take anything for granted in baseball, particularly staying injury free. The Nats have been incredibly lucky with the health of their starters over the past two seasons. If that continues, we're going to be just fine -- even if Haren doesn't ever reach the level of dominance that the Fab Four have achieved.

Anyone else hear the Fox guys yesterday saying at least twice that Storen was coming back from "serious arm surgery"? It was almost as if they thought he had Tommy John instead of just bone chips removed from his elbow. And then they said that Clipp was often "very wild." Confusing him with H-Rod maybe?d

Soriano is quietly showing how good he is. And "quietly" is a key adjective. When Storen and Clippard are on the mound, the tension is palpable, and the game slows to a crawl. I hope they are watching and learning from Rafi quiet confidence.

We've one three straight without the whole lineup clicking yet. This team still has a lot of unrealized potential. But the key, as always, is pitching. And can we stop with blaming the catcher whenever a pitcher has a bad outing? Zuki is a pro and is doing just fine.



mick said...

Sec 222

The Fox and national baseball announcers and pundits illustrate how unprepared they are for the games and the teams that are playing. There are no more Curt Gowdy's Tony Kubieks, Pat Summerall, Madden's and Ray Scotts. These young guys are the reason journalism, reporters and coverage on anything frankly SUCKS! They are half ass in their preparation and homework and this is why I listen to Charlie and Dave, FP and Bobby C

Gonat said...

Marty said...
This would be a wonderful day for ALR to get some rest...
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Lefty starter, it would make sense.

Sec. 3, My Rocking Fire Sofa said...

Chase is just trying to find pictures for the rest of the lineup as funny as the one of Det.

Section 222 said...

Mick, well put. And don't forget Vin Scully. I caught a bit of his broadcast of the Dodgers/Brewers game last night on MLB Network. Learned that Gorzo has problems with ADD, and so does ALR. Even our own great announcers never have told us that. That guy is the master.

Candide said...

Sec. 3, My Rocking Fire Sofa said...

Chase is just trying to find pictures for the rest of the lineup as funny as the one of Det.


I know a photo is just an instant frozen in time, but man, he looks drunk there.

NatsLady said...

I knew that ALR has ADD and takes medication for it, an exception approved by MLB, this is an old story. I can't listen to Scully. Not only is his voice grating to my ears but he has no partner, so he goes on and on, ensuring there is never a moment of silence.

I switched him on by accident and he was saying, "This must be Hispanic day, look at all the Hispanic players" -- and then went on to list them, pointing out their last names, but no mention country of origin (or their parents' country of origin) or any salient fact about them. I know he's an old white guy, but those players he mentioned had almost nothing in common with each other.

alexva said...

Span
Lombo
Harper
Werth
Moore
Desmond
Rendon
Suzuki

take the rest of the morning off Davey

Gonat said...

Section222, I watched that on tape this morning on the ADD. Scully always comes up with the most obscure trivia almost to the point of being OVERLY personal and evasive.

Candide said...

Yikes! Now it's Det all by himself against the entire Reds' lineup!

alexva said...

all two minutes of it

EmDash said...

Figuring it'll be a low-scoring affair today - Nats haven't hit lefty starters well thus far (a consequence of Bryce being most of the offense, I'd imagine), and rookies with little major league track record tend to be their kryptonite. Should be interesting, though; I have faith in Det to keep it close.

Gonat said...

alexva, if that is for reals, sitting Espi is interesting. I knew he was sitting ALR against the lefty but sitting Espi is hopefully a message to him for his poor play yesterday.

Candide said...

Happy to see Corky Miller in the Reds lineup, for two reasons:

1) Great moustache.
2) He's somewhat less of a long-ball threat than Wil Nieves.

sjm308 said...

308 here (and you can call me anything but late to dinner!! bang/kaboom)

Candide: from the previous post - not sure I would say Red Carpet is worth it this year. In years past, definitely and I thought it was a terrific marketing tool to get more people to games. Last year my son & I figure we each went to 12 additional games with Red Carpet and we also had two passes into stars and stripes which was nice. This year they have given you less for your buck so to speak which makes sense since they now have a pretty solid fan base. Hope that makes sense.

Thanks to alexva for the lineup and I hate to keep praising Eric but his advice about ignoring is spot on.

Go Nats!!

Section 222 said...

Ok, I guess Scully is not universally recognized as a great announcer. I happen to like his voice and his anecdotes. YMMV. With respect NL, the fact that *you've* heard something before does not make it old and generally known news. You are far from the average or even the well informed listener.

I also love Charlie and Dave, but I know some who can't stand Charlie's middle innings wrapup of all the games that are going on. You can't please everyone. But at least you can be accurate and informed. The Fox guys generally are not. I think we all can agree on that.

NCNatsie said...

Just for the fun of it, here's Ted Williams slash for 1940, his sophomore year:

.344/.442/.595/1.036

He hit 23 home runs and drove in 113.

Here's Harper's current slash:

.373/.453/.783/1.236

His 9 home runs projects to 63 and his 18 RBI projects to 126. Okay, projections, smajections, but in one full year of major league baseball, he has 31 home runs and 77 RBI. Of all these comparison numbers, only the 1-year RBI total is lower than Williams number, possibly because Williams had Dom DiMaggio and Doc Cramer hitting in front of him, both of whom hit over .300 that year.

Admittedly, Williams also had Jimmy Foxx, Joe Cronin and Bobby Doerr hitting behind him in 1940, which is pretty good protection. (The team had lousy pitching and finished 4th -- 82-72 even withy that lineup.)

Will Harper have career numbers like Williams? Let's just hope -- for a lot of reasons -- he doesn't have to give up 4 of his prime years to military service.

Marty said...

Switch Desi and ALR, that'll fix everything!...

Sec. 3, My Rocking Fire Sofa said...

I love listening to Scully, read something about LaRoche's ADD (I think Kilgore?) a year or two ago, but still consider it relevant. But that's beside the point, I think. Charlie and Dave do a very, very different style of announcing than Scully. Researching and working in bits of biography on the hundreds of characters in this long-running soap opera is interesting, is journalism. I like funny dances when somebody's at-bat music plays, too, but they are not comparable.

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NatsLady said...

"I knew that ALR has ADD and takes medication for it, an exception approved by MLB, this is an old story."

Same here.

On Scully, I happen to like his voice as well. I think part of the reason he goes on and on is that he started in radio. Also, he works alone, so it's all him, all the time. I also respect his time in the game, but that's just me.

Candide said...

"Happy to see Corky Miller in the Reds lineup, for two reasons:

1) Great moustache."

It is truly something to behold. Also, there's the "beer barrel battery" effect if Broxton takes the mound with him still behind the dish.

natsfan1a said...

Section 222 said...
You can't please everyone. But at least you can be accurate and informed. The Fox guys generally are not. I think we all can agree on that.
April 28, 2013 12:07 PM

Amen to that. :-)

natsfan1a said...

The WaPo has this:

Denard Span, CF
Danny Espinosa, 2B
Bryce Harper, LF
Jayson Werth, RF
Ian Desmond, SS
Adam LaRoche, 1B
Anthony Rendon, 3B
Kurt Suzuki, C
Ross Detwiler, SP

alexva said...

Span
Lombo
Harper
Werth
Moore
Desmond
Rendon
Suzuki

take the rest of the morning off Davey
April 28, 2013 11:58 AM

natsfan1a said...

Wait, now I have to buy *Chase* a drink?

natsfan1a said...

Oh, all right...grumble...grumble

Section 222 said...

Ok, so ALR's ADD was old news. Did any of you know that Gorzo had ADD?

Joe Seamhead said...

changing the subject, but after the back-to-back one hitters there was questions as to whether Walter Johnson ever did it personally.I couldn't find anything to support that he did, but here's one that I thought was pretty impressive about Walter: On Sept 7, 2008 he shut out New York 4-0. What was most incredibile about that game is that it was his third complete game shutout in four days! For his career he had 110 shutouts, 38 of them by scores of 1-0. He also lost 26 1-0 games.

Section 222 said...
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Alphabet Soup Erik said...

Vin Scully will always be the master. This is the same guy who announced the Brooklyn Dodgers 1955 World Series win. Anybody who doesn't appreciate what he brings to the game of baseball shouldn't be allowed to watch.

Candide said...

sjm308 said...I hate to keep praising Eric but his advice about ignoring is spot on.

Ignore who?

Ugarte (Peter Lorre): You despise me, don't you, Rick?
Rick (Bogart): If I gave you any thought I probably would.

Candide said...

Joe Seamhead said...

changing the subject, but after the back-to-back one hitters there was questions as to whether Walter Johnson ever did it personally.I couldn't find anything to support that he did, but here's one that I thought was pretty impressive about Walter: On Sept 7, 2008 he shut out New York 4-0.


Wow. I knew Johnson was good, but...

Joe Seamhead said...

I'm not the only one surprised that Adam is starting today, am I?

Joe Seamhead said...

oops! Sept. 7,1908! sorry.

EmDash said...

Really surprised there's no Tyler Moore today - wanting to keep the defense sharp during what's likely to be a day with a lot of ground balls, or a "Davey showing confidence in his players" move?

Weirdly, though, looking at Tyler's stats, he seems to have a reverse platoon split and hit righties better than lefties (and is an above-average hitter against right-handers and below average against left-handers). Did not realize that before.

Sec. 3, My Rocking Fire Sofa said...

Deuces, about Gorzelanny, yes, but from when he was with the Cubs, not something I heard about here, IIRC.

On Span's catch at the wall yesterday--I went back to the clip somebody posted (sorry, I forget who) at :38, looked a few times, and I'm convinced the ball would have hit the top of the padding and gone over. FWIW.

Joe Seamhead said...

I was going to delete that, correct it, and re-post it, but decided it was a pretty funny slip. I think I might owe Candide a whole 6 pack.

Sec. 3, My Rocking Fire Sofa said...

Candide, a brilliant solution! Don't scroll, just read the posts in Peter Lorre's voice!

Candide said...

Not to minimize it, but keep in mind that Johnson's feat was accomplished in the dead-ball era. The entire AL hit only 116 homers that year. And the league ERA was 2.39.

NatsJack in Florida said...

On Gorzo's ADD.....Yes, it's been known for quite awhile. Just not made out to be a big deal, just like ALR.

Joe Seamhead said...

27 innings of shutout pitching in 4 days can't be minimized in any era of pro ball.

Joe Seamhead said...

Jack were you there for today's batting practice? If so, did ALR look any better then when you saw him in Friday night's BP?

SonnyG10 said...

I got irritated with the Fox announcers when the Cincinnatti catcher would ask for time and the ump called time out and pointed to the catcher, the announcers would say the batter asked for time out. No big deal but it irritated the heck out of me.

natsfan1a said...

I recall it being mentioned in the context of ALR's ADD.

Section 222 said...

Ok, so ALR's ADD was old news. Did any of you know that Gorzo had ADD?
April 28, 2013 12:28 PM

natsfan1a said...

When you're slapped, you'll take it and like it. Wait, what?

Candide said...

sjm308 said...I hate to keep praising Eric but his advice about ignoring is spot on.

Ignore who?

Ugarte (Peter Lorre): You despise me, don't you, Rick?
Rick (Bogart): If I gave you any thought I probably would.
April 28, 2013 12:29 PM

Rich P. said...

"Section 222 said...
You can't please everyone. But at least you can be accurate and informed. The Fox guys generally are not. I think we all can agree on that."

No we can't. The Fox and ESPN announcers serve a different function than local announcers. They shouldn't be expected to have the minute details on every home team player that the local guys who see them every day and travel on the plane with the team would. The Fox guys are fine for what they do. Much of their annoying stuff is foisted on them by the network, e.g. the in-game inteviews of UFC guys, etc.

In particular, Thom Bfrenneman wasright when he said Clippard is often wild. He is often wild. Walks a lot of guys, and unlike the nibbler Storen Clippard is nowhere near the zone. He used to get swings and misses on the high fastballs, but the league has figured him out and quit swinging at that pitch. Those high fastballs are balls. He used to be able to "climb the ladder" and throw a couple of heaters in the zone followed by a swing and miss strike 3 on high heat. He can't even do that any more because all his fastballs are high or wide out of the zone. He has no command of his pitches. He's wild.

MicheleS said...

FYI.. Det makes those faces everytime he throws a pitch. I got a ton of pictures during spring training of him with that same look on his face.

GO DET! GYFNG!!!!

NatsJack in Florida said...

Didn't see ALR take bp. Only a fewNats took pb.

Gonat said...

Oh my, Alexva was wrong. Same lineup as yesterday.

I guess he will keep rolling LaRoche out there hoping that today will be the day. Let's see if today is indeed the lucky squirrel today and he finds the nut.

Section 222 said...

"Feel" free to enjoy those Fox announcers, Rich P. I knew I could count on you to disagree.

Sec. 3, My Rocking Fire Sofa said...

'When you're slapped, you'll take it and like it.' Wait, what?

My nostrils flared at the scent of his perfume: Pyramid Patchouli. There was only one joker in LA sensitive enough to wear that fragrance!

And I had to find out who he was ...

natsfan1a said...

fwiw, here's a LaRoche/Gorzelanny story, from USA Today, 2007.

There's also this from the WaPo, 2001.

natsfan1a said...

Er, mistype alert: 2011.

natsfan1a said...

lol

Section 222 said...

"Feel" free to enjoy those Fox announcers, Rich P.

Sec. 3, My Rocking Fire Sofa said...

The Fox and ESPN announcers serve a different function than local announcers. They shouldn't be expected to have the minute details on every home team player that the local guys who see them every day and travel on the plane with the team would.

That's true, but it's not the complaint. They get stuff factually incorrect, which is a problem if they're trying to be Vin Scully. Charlie and Dave, OTOH, don't seem to mind. I think they aren't there to report on the game so much as translate it, and it's sometimes a loose translation.

MicheleS said...

Well yesterday according to the Fox Guys and MLB Network on Friday - RYAN Zimmerman through a complete game shut out on Thursday.

natsfan1a said...

On a related note, my husband was driving home from work listening to WTOP one day. They had an update on a spring training game and highlighted Ryan Zimmerman's noteworthy pitching. ummm....

Doc said...

Aw c'mon Davey!

Even if TyMo hits righties better than lefties, ALR doesn't hit either recently!

Give TyMo a chance,man!!!!!!!

Sec. 3, My Rocking Fire Sofa said...

You think you're confusing now, you ain't seen nothing yet, and you may not.

Wait til Brian Zuckerman is on the roster in a couple of years...

Gonat said...

MicheleS said...
Well yesterday according to the Fox Guys and MLB Network on Friday - RYAN Zimmerman through a complete game shut out on Thursday.
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Do you owe me a drink if I said that yesterday? LOL

The amazing part was that when Mitch Williams said it in the pre-game, he hesitated to read the teleprompter, and nobody corrected it.

Joe Seamhead said...

This kid pitching for the Reds has some pretty impressive stats.

Candide said...

Four Nats starters today under the Mendoza line, including Det.

Gonat said...

Doc said...
Aw c'mon Davey!

Even if TyMo hits righties better than lefties, ALR doesn't hit either recently!

Give TyMo a chance,man!!!!!!!

April 28, 2013 1:18 PM
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Yah, it seemed to be the perfect day to get TyMo in there.

You know how gamblers have a problem when they think it's impossible to lose 5 hands in a row in blackjack then they cash in for more chips and lose 6 in a row, then dip in for more cash on that 7th hand and they win. Only problem is they lost 6 out of 7 and it's possible you run out of all your money on your 6th hand.

You have 162 games in baseball and if you keep pushing it past the point of no return you can end up finding out in hindsight that you played it like a bad gambler thinking the luck was going to change and it never did.

1st base is a premium offensive position reserved for a power hitter where you even sacrifice BA for defense but you do expect an impact bat.

LaRoche is hurt. This is beyond a slump. Even last week he hit a HR but in his season overall even Gio has hit a HR.

Gonat said...

Joe Seamhead said...
This kid pitching for the Reds has some pretty impressive stats.
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So does the kid starting for the Nats.

Gonat said...

Candide said...
Four Nats starters today under the Mendoza line, including Det.
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The good news is that Rendon just needs a 2 hit game to get above .225

Positivity!!!!

EmDash said...

Home plate ump is Sam Holbrooke. I seem to remember him making a lot of famously wrong calls...

Sec. 3, My Rocking Fire Sofa said...

aaaaaaaaaand there goes the one-hitter.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

espi you need to make that play with Votto on deck.

Gonat said...

Tough chance for Danny but that's a play he needs to make on Cozart. That would have been 2 outs.

Gonat said...

That didn't take long. Det hit the glove right where Zuk set up. Not sure why they threw 5 straight 4-seamers.

Gonat said...

Werth caught sleeping and Phillips takes 3rd on him.

This is already ugly.

baseballswami said...

Quick! Everybody panic and tell us exactly how many pitches Ross is having to use on the first inning. Then do the math and tell us how many innings that will be. Bad luck on the single, the double close to the foul line. Crappy . Next inning he will have it fixed. Now a bad throw. Come on, Nats!!!

EmDash said...

Ross getting BABIP'ed pretty hard so far.

Exposremains said...

too many fastballs

Alphabet Soup Erik said...

Looks like that great Espinosa defense is already costing them runs. They must have the worst right side of the infield in baseball so far this year everything considered. The left side hasn't been much better with 17 errors, Zimmerman not hitting and then going on the DL, and Desmond with 1 hit with RISP and 3 (count them) 3 walks. Pretty awful.

Gonat said...

Zuk also has not been good at all this year on foult tips. 36 pitches for Detwiler. All started with Danny not keeping his glove down on the grounder by the 2nd batter of the game.

That's how this game works. It starts with that ONE play.

Gonat said...

baseballswami said...
Quick! Everybody panic and tell us exactly how many pitches Ross is having to use on the first inning.
_______________________

At 25 pitches, blah, at 36, not good. Luckily only 2 runs scored.

Joe Seamhead said...

Werth made a poor throw, but ultimately, no harm. Suzuki drops strike three foul tip, but again no damage.

baseballswami said...

The tv crew made excuses for Danny, but he should have had that. Good throw also gets the guy at third. Hits, please? I figured everyone would now start jumping on Ross about the 2 and. 4 seamers. You love it when his era is below three. Criticize it when they get lucky on it.

Knoxville Nat said...

Regarding the Fox announcers from yesterday, just who was calling the game? I got blacked out here in TN and Fox had Kenny Albert & McCarver doing the Braves at Tigers.

Sec. 3, My Rocking Fire Sofa said...

Knoxville, Alex Karros was on color.

Speaking of getting things wrong, will somebody tell Carpenter the definition of a catch, please? There's no "he had it long enough" in baseball.

Drew said...

The guy is hitting .176 and he has botched four plays in two days.

Candide said...

Well, the good part is, Cunegonde and I have to go out at 2:30...

Joe Seamhead said...

I feel for Ross. Danny is killing us right now.

Candide said...

Starting to wonder if LaRoche isn't the only guy on the team with ADD.

"Okay, Danny, what are you going to do if it's hit to third?"

"Oh, look, a squirrel!"

Scott Margenau said...

Whew! That could have been a very bad inning.

Ghost Of Steve M. said...

Nice play ALR doubling up the runner at 2nd. What is Espinosa doing?

Joe Seamhead said...

Thank you, Adam La Roche!

Exposremains said...

What is it gonna take to sit Espinosa for a few games. Right now, you can't make the excuse that he provides good defense.

Ghost Of Steve M. said...

The Espi people can remind me again tomorrow how Davey needs him for his glove.

baseballswami said...

To be fair- Ross' era is unnaturally low, he had been fantastic, his defense has killed him, and this is the fourth game in the series, we already have three. Lets step off the ledge. I would, however , like to see if the Nats can gut check early in the game and mount a steady comeback .

Joe Seamhead said...

Sofa, if I guy has it in his mitt and loses the ball on the transfer, it's an out, which wasn't the case on that play by Espy. Rendon had a good play on what should have been a double play. Espy just blew it.

Scott Margenau said...

I missed it, what did Adam do? (At magnolias in Pville, with game on)

Sipping on Gin n juice

Candide said...

Scott - caught screaming liner off the bat, threw to 2nd to catch the runner off base for the DP.

Candide said...

...and then he just got called out on strikes, to the surprise of absolutely nobody.

Will said...

LaRoche, at this level of play, does not belong on a big league roster.

He looks clueless at the plate. He's getting fooled by everything, and when he does make contact 90% of the time it's a weak grounder.

Why is Moore not starting?

Joe Seamhead said...

He was I perfect position to nab Phillips' line drive and turn a double play, Scott. Then he had another very ugly AB, as did Desi, and Werth.

Candide said...

On the replay, was the batter safe at first?

Will said...

Even thought ALR's bat has been missing for a month, he hasn't lost his glove.

Joe Seamhead said...

At this rate I'm going to be into Candide for a 12 pack before the day is out. Another good defensive play by ALR!

Scott Margenau said...

Cool. TY Candide. Det off his game.

Joe Seamhead said...

He was out by a gnat's nose, Candide.

Candide said...

Joe Seamhead - here's where you want to go to settle up. Cell I9.

Candide said...

Gotta run. Maybe the Nats will do better without me around jinxing them.

Joe Seamhead said...

I'll try to do it after the game, but keep count for me will, ya?

EmDash said...

I don't blame Danny for the first play - that was a perfectly placed ground ball that anyone would've had trouble fielding cleanly. But the one he got an error on - oof. No excuse for that one but pressing/rushing.

Only two of the hits Ross has given up were really solidly hit, I think. Aside from Danny's error, this has mostly just been a bad luck on BABIP kind of game.

Secret wasian man said...

When the Nats dont score first they are just not good. They get behind and the bats dissappear. And good glove or not. ALR is just a strikeout machine.

Sec. 3, My Rocking Fire Sofa said...

Sofa, if I guy has it in his mitt and loses the ball on the transfer, it's an out, which wasn't the case on that play by Espy. Rendon had a good play on what should have been a double play. Espy just blew it.

Yes, that was (part of) my point. Carpenter was going on about how long Espinosa had/didn't have the ball, and it's not the first time he's done that. As FP pointed out, he didn't drop it on the transfer, he just plain dropped it. But there is no "long enough" rule. Obviously, as a practical matter, at some point the ump is going to make a call, but there's is a reason they ask fielders to show them the ball.

baseballswami said...

Em dash-- I completely agree. BABIP, iffy defense in a short period of time. Things got out of hand very quickly. But, really, three runs is minimal. Hitters need to step up now. Danny looks awful- all around. ALR, depressing. It's May on Wednesddy, Rsmos and Zim almost back.

Ghost Of Steve M. said...

Today can be that day to get a come from behind rally going.

Secret wasian man said...

ALR is a heck of a nice guy. But he is hurting this team at the plate. we have to get a hitter in there.

Sec. 3, My Rocking Fire Sofa said...

And it's "Sue-PER-buhs", Carp, not "SUE-per-bahs."

I think he's doing it on purpose.

EmDash said...

Even if the Reds didn't score first, this wasn't a great match-up for them. Rookie they don't have a bead on yet = a bad scene. Lefties, they haven't done great against. Add them together, and, well. Badness.

Scott Margenau said...

Web gem rendon. U have to catch that!!! Stiff back not good for stretch catch. I make that catch every day. (20 years ago) lol

Sec. 3, My Rocking Fire Sofa said...

I dunno, EmDash, I think they've hit a lot of balls hard, some caught but several not, at least a couple right back at Detwiler.

baseballswami said...

You have to admit, though--- first inning, Danny, then ball barely fair, the Werth bad throw to first. Seeing eye singles, crazy stuff , then it snowballs. Bad plate approaches----- again.

Secret wasian man said...

Probably no wins without Bryce this year. But that was awful AB

Secret wasian man said...

Dont like the attitude of we got 3 wins so its ok to sleeep thru game 4.

Secret wasian man said...

ALR is up Time to cut the grass.

Knoxville Nat said...

Bad AB's from Harper and Desi. Now ALR......show me something Adam!

EmDash said...

This inning is already a moral victory. A hit happened!

Secret wasian man said...

too many lefty hitters in this lineup today.

Knoxville Nat said...

Looks like a statue up there.

Secret wasian man said...

THAT WAS OUTSIDE. 4 strikeouts in the inning. AWFUL performance today.

EmDash said...

Don't think they've gone to sleep or aren't trying hard enough. Just, pressing too much again.

Joe Seamhead said...

Werth made a bad throw to third on Phillips' heads up baserunning. No damage ultimately on that one as Phillips was stranded.

ALR had no shot on that pitch.I'm bleeding for the guy.In fairness to him Cingrani had four strikeouts in that inning.

EmDash said...

Don't see how that third strike was a strike - up and outside. But when you're in a slump like LaRoche you don't get a lot of borderline calls.

Sec. 3, My Rocking Fire Sofa said...

For everybody still mad about the Haren signing, consider, it could have been worse. Consider the Cubs-Rays deal for Matt Garza.

Sec. 3, My Rocking Fire Sofa said...

Werth made a bad throw to third on Phillips' heads up baserunning. No damage ultimately on that one as Phillips was stranded.

But give Phillips some credit; it was a good deke.

EmDash said...

Haha, oh man. This game.

Sec. 3, My Rocking Fire Sofa said...

That kid hitting the plastic balls has a huge loop in his swing--where's the accountability??

Joe Seamhead said...

Ugly!

Sec. 3, My Rocking Fire Sofa said...

Just guessing, but from the way Detwiler pulled off that popup so suddenly, I wonder if he didn't get called off. Not sure who, Desmond had no play even if it had bounced up. Just looked like it to me.

"A grown man hit that ball!" is pretty funny.

EmDash said...

Poor Ross, always seems to get the hard luck games.

Joe Seamhead said...

I agree on the deke, Sofa. Swami said something about a Werth bad throw to first. I got confused on his confusion.

Secret wasian man said...

Bottom line the guys you expect to hit arent hitting. gotta get 2 runs at least in that last inning.

Sec. 3, My Rocking Fire Sofa said...

Got to get something. Bad ABs from Harper, Desmond, and LaRoche, but also really good pitching from Cingrani.

Sec. 3, My Rocking Fire Sofa said...

aaaaaaaaaaaaand .... there goes the one-hitter (2).

Sec. 3, My Rocking Fire Sofa said...

I like the more democratic ground balls as well as the next guy, but I wonder about the value of putting together a pack of rottwielers and trying to teach them to say "Pardon me, would you mind not stepping into my yard, please? Thank you very much. We appreciate it."

Joe Seamhead said...

Tyler looked just as ugly as anybody else has in that AB.

Sec. 3, My Rocking Fire Sofa said...

Oh, man. What a cluster THAT was. Span was the only one there who did anything right, and he should have been out.

EmDash said...

I wonder if Dusty will send this pitcher out next inning - I wouldn't. He looked gassed out there.

Aaand our third base coach lets the Reds off the hook. Jesus. It was just insane to send Rendon there. That wasn't close.

baseballswami said...

You send a rookie with bad ankles into a possible collision at the plate just as the pitcher is tiring?

Joe Seamhead said...

Three errors on that play. One by the LFer, one by Rendon, and one by the third base coach Jewitt. Bummer.

Sec. 3, My Rocking Fire Sofa said...

Well, swami, to be fair, the collision was unlikely, since he was out by twenty effing feet.

Secret wasian man said...

WOW really???? Guy gives you an extra out and because A. your not hustling or B. the third base coach is a moron. you get nothing. you lose you lose. BUT THIS TEAM JUST PLAYS DUMB!!!!!!!!

Another_Sam said...

Jewett hasn't caught on yet. Or the players don't look to him. BH's recent triple was clearly a standup and yet we saw a cringe-inducing slide. Too many times jewetts not in the game. IMHO.

baseballswami said...

And as to the pitch to contact philosophy-- it very obviously works for JZ, probably not for Stras, msybe Gio and Det- jury still out. Need to be able to adjust if things are not working that Dsy, though.one approach usually does not work for everyone.

Secret wasian man said...

HURRY BACK ZIMM. Unexcusable for a guy to quit running. especially one trying to make it in the bigs. Davey has to get this team under control.

EmDash said...

Bob and FP defending Jewett, but, no. That was inarguably poor judgment. One run doesn't help you that much, not nearly as much as the high chance of giving away the third out.

Alphabet Soup Erik said...

Can't wait to play the Braves with this anemic offense. They have already beat the Nats 7 times in a row. If Harper doesn't hit, Nats don't score.

Dan Strong said...

Yet another E5..

EmDash said...

Rendon's a good young player, but he really seems a bit overwhelmed in the majors so far.

Secret wasian man said...

Alphabet I agree. What is truly sickening is we were given 8 outs in the last 2 innings and still can't score.

Sec. 3, My Rocking Fire Sofa said...

Rendon stopped after rounding second because he could not tell how far the ball was going to get away, and he didn't want to get thrown out at third if it fell right at the LF's feet. So that had some logic to it, at least.

ehay2k said...

Hmm, bad throws by Rendon, and didn't even Lombo make an iffy one when he played third? So, maybe it's not Zimm after all, it's something to do with the field at third? Our own "Bermuda Corner" perhaps? Who knew?

Another_Sam said...

Some days this club has but one hitter. And he's been contained so far today.

Joe Seamhead said...

Bryce needs to talk to Anthony Rendon regarding going full tilt boogie. What the heck was he thinking.

Give me Zimmerman back at third ASAP! Rendon has had two throws that if Ryan had thrown the masses would've been all over him.

Alphabet Soup Erik said...

Zimmerman has made about 50 bad throws in the last year...and he is not a rookie in the rain.

Drew said...

Three errors in six games. Not good.

The infield defense sure seems ragged this season.

baseballswami said...

The kid's base running mistake was not slowing- it was slowing because he was trying to be his own base coach. Right or wrong, you put your head down and trust him to watch the ball. But you do go if he sends you. Unless you are Bryce, then you just go unless some one tackles you.

Another_Sam said...

Seamhead - RZ's underhand fling is looking good now I agree. LOL

EmDash said...

Base-running was a weakness last year, and that seems to have continued so far. Aggressiveness is fine, but there's no reason to be foolish. Giving the other team so many outs by running into them is a recipe for poor offensive performance. Not sure who on the coaching staff is responsible, but it's a real problem.

Sec. 3, My Rocking Fire Sofa said...
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Sec. 3, My Rocking Fire Sofa said...

Corrected

Not sure what you meant there, Swami, but rounding second with two outs, that play's right in front of him, he should be paying attention to the ball. Listening to the coach, in this case, was his mistake, not that I blame the rookie for going when the coach sends him.

baseballswami said...

I also think it's an issue that when this team is down early with plenty of outs left, they cannot mount a comeback. Even one run per inning to chip away would work. Last season they were the never say die, , comeback kids. Where did that go?

Sec. 3, My Rocking Fire Sofa said...

Where did that go?

I think some of it was breaks, some of it is too many guys trying to hit six-run home runs.

baseballswami said...

Sorry, section 3, but no ball watching- head down, run, watch the coach. Right or wrong, that is Jewett's job to make that judgement, not a minor league call up. I don't care if he could see the ball, he could not possibly see the ball and the entire situation on the field. That is Jewett 's job.

NatsJack in Florida said...

I watched Rendon from start to finish on that play and it's all on him. He broke 3/4 speedd on a 3-2 pitch (bad), hesitated after rounding second (worse) and was late picking up the 3rd base coach (inexcuseable).

In the words of F P "send him down, he's not ready".

Sec. 3, My Rocking Fire Sofa said...

I don't agree, Swami, and I suspect we aren't going to. He has to be paying attention to the play, and not leave everything up to the coach. You think Brandon Phillips' coach told him to deke Werth?

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

desi's bloop would have been great last at bat. Timing not good.

I will take 3 out of 4 vs. Braves

Sec. 3, My Rocking Fire Sofa said...

OTOH, not going hard on the pitch, and picking up the coach late, that can't happen.

Joe Seamhead said...

Rendon is a very promising prospect. What more is there to say? He has come up due to injury, but I don't see him as ready for prime time yet. In fairness,he really hasn't played much defensively for the past two years, as he was hurt last year, as he was in his last year in college.In his last year at Rice, though he played in 63 games, he DHed in 55 of them. The kid needs a full year in the minors just to get reps in the field, if for nothing else, in my opinion.

Sec. 3, My Rocking Fire Sofa said...

Well, he's going to have a whole mariachi orchestra-worth of sombreros before May.

Sec. 3, My Rocking Fire Sofa said...

HE being LaRoche

Secret wasian man said...

Watching the movie Benchwarmers. We need David Spade for ALR. At least he can foul tip it.

Drew said...

LaRoche isn't just below Mendoza. He's come un-Dunn.

Dunn's hitting .143 and LaRoche is hitting .137.

Secret wasian man said...

How big is ALR wiff now. HAHAHAHA

baseballswami said...

Joe - part of our problem is that he is following Bryce, a once in a decade( or more?) player. This prospect is probably quite normal. We just don't know what that is anymore. And, sorry to belabor this point, but is there any one of you that has any confidence at all that this team can recover down four runs, even with many innings to go? They had tons of time today. I miss that steely resilience. And I miss Zim and Ramios.

Sec. 3, My Rocking Fire Sofa said...

I'd be curious to know what kind of a jump Rendon got on that double. Is he a notoriously slow runner?

Joe Seamhead said...

All right, lets go you Nationals!

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

only 2 Nats to K are Ren-con and Suzuki.

Secret wasian man said...

Swami I agree. I think the Nats need a big comeback win. It would go a long way to help a long season.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

only 2 to not strike out....

Sec. 3, My Rocking Fire Sofa said...

only 2 Nats to K are Ren-con and Suzuki.

Come again?

Sec. 3, My Rocking Fire Sofa said...

Dang, do I owe MNF a coke for that?

Prob'ly.

Secret wasian man said...

Is ALR really hitting 137??? Isnt Jordan Zimms average higher?

Joe Seamhead said...

I was wondering the same thing Sofa.
Again though, you can't compare him, or anybody else, to Bryce Harper.Like I said, You can't expect anybody that hasn't played much infield for almost three years, and even less in professional baseball, to step into playing a MLB third base.

Secret wasian man said...

Not going to be playing in October if you dont get timely hits. too many lefties hitting. Tyler more there.

Secret wasian man said...

4 hits. 2 errors. and 12 strikeouts. World series here we come.

Rabbit34 said...

Have some fun...WATCH WATER BOIL.

EmDash said...

Bad Henry today?

Sec. 3, My Rocking Fire Sofa said...

Silly Rabbit...water doesn't boil if you're watching.

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