Monday, August 6, 2012

Werth surprised by smooth return

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Jayson Werth is 5-for-12 with five walks since returning from the DL.
Though he felt like he was ready to face big-league pitching again after a three-month recovery from a broken left wrist and a nine-game rehab assignment in the minors, Jayson Werth figured there might be a bit of a transition phase once the Nationals activated him off the disabled list last week.

As it turns out, Werth's only transition has been from cautious optimism to downright giddiness after a fantastic re-debut weekend at Nationals Park. In his first four games back, the veteran outfielder is 5-for-12 with five walks, all but erasing whatever doubts there were about his ability to make a smooth return from a devastating injury.

"I'm surprised," Werth admitted after yesterday's 4-1 win over the Marlins. "The whole thing's very surprising."

Not that he didn't expect to ever get his swing back. He just figured it would take a little more time before he felt comfortable facing big-league pitchers again.

Werth pointed out he was cleared to swing a bat only about three weeks ago.

"I kept trying to swing, kept trying to swing, and just wasn't ready," he said. "And then one day I was like: 'Oh, I can swing.' And then two days later I was like: 'I can really swing!'"

Werth began his rehab assignment at Class A Potomac on July 21. He wound up playing a total of nine games over 12 days, most of that time spent at Class AAA Syracuse, and about halfway through the process began to feel like his timing at the plate had returned.

Even so, Werth figured he would still need more time to get his body (especially his legs) back into full baseball shape.

"Sometimes that takes a while," he said. "You go to spring training for six weeks, and usually the last week your legs show up. So that's five weeks [waiting for it to happen]. I think I was out [on rehab] for two weeks, not even. So my legs are still a little behind. But everything else feels good."

It's hard to dispute the on-field results since Werth was activated off the DL. Splitting time between center and right fields, he's recorded at least one hit in all four games he's played. His keen eye at the plate is as sharp as ever, leading to five walks. Perhaps most impressively, he has only struck out once.

"His every at-bat is good," manager Davey Johnson said. "He's making contact. He's getting the head out. He's always a great defensive player and baserunner."

Werth has essentially picked up where he left off upon getting hurt on May 6. In 31 total games this season, he's now hitting .291 with a .400 on-base percentage and .836 OPS.

On top of all that, Werth seems as comfortable and relaxed as he's been since signing with the Nationals 19 months ago. Having long since moved past his disappointing 2011, he's become less of a focal point inside a clubhouse that features plenty more prominent names and faces, allowing Werth to be just another member of a first-place club.

"He's playing the way I always thought he was going to play," Johnson said. "I didn't see that last year. He was trying to be the leader on the ballclub. He had all kinds of different responsibilities. Now he's just being himself."

92 comments:

baseballswami said...

Sweet, sweet, sweet. And the side benefit was that we didn't have to lose Tyler Moore to get Jayson back.

Tcostant said...

I agree Werth looks great.

On a different topic, I like Rizzo but he clearly has flaws (Like not even talking to Riggs about his contract) and now this:

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/04/jesus-flores-learned-about-kurt-suzuki-trade-from-reporters/

Come on Rizzo, how do you not tell a gut that has taken a bunch of balls in the dirt that you just traded for his replacement.

baseballswami said...

And while Werth's return has been seamless, Drew's has been a bit slower. I just saw the video of what was on the scoreboard when Drew came in yesterday - it was awesome and I actually felt emotional watching it. I don't know how he kept himself in check. Watching Drew and Jayson come back was something a lot of fans worried about - their abilities at a critical point of the season, others being sent down - it's working. Not the same path for both, but it's working out.

The Real Feel Wood. Accept no substitutes. said...

As it turns out, Werth's only transition has been from cautious optimism to downright giddiness after a fantastic re-debut weekend at Nationals Park.

Mark, since you have access to the clubhouse while the rest of us don't, please share with us the things that signal the change in Jayson's mood as he transitions from "cautious optimism" to "downright giddy." Is it kind of like Ben Stein in that TV commercial?

NatsLady said...

Got new-posted. So, here goes.

I'm going to do a non-Davey and look ahead. 95 is my magic number (anything over that is gravy). So, we have 24 games we can "afford" to lose. We take 3 of 4 from the Astros and split the rest, that brings us to a 5-4 road trip and 20 games to lose.

We have three off-days this month and aren't going to lose any on the road trip because Houston and Phoenix both have roofs and they would play a DH in SanFran if necessary because you are not giving up the travel day in the wrong direction (going East much harder on the system than going West). Not to mention we are not going anywhere near there again and the Gints would want a home game.

The White Sox are my AL team (from my childhood). Much more fun to follow with Ozzie not there and the Big Donkey hitting.

Werth is a pro. Welcome back.

-EJax
-Werth
-Adam LaRoche
-MGonzalez

+Davey.

Guys with postseason experience (hope I didn't leave anyone out. Well, Chien-Ming Wang.)

NatsLady said...

Tcostant, this was much-discussed when it happened. The trade was finalized at 2:30 on the day of a double-header. When, exactly, was Rizzo supposed to have this conversation? Call Jesus before the first game--so Flores could go into shock then? Before the second game, so Leon could go into shock, knowing he was about to go back down? In the 20 seconds before reporters--who were twittering and posting all afternoon-- ambushed Flores in the clubhouse? It's not even clear Rizzo was in town, he wasn't at the games that I could see.

Davey had a fine talk with Flores--and it was Davey, after all, who discovered Flores in the Mets' farm system at A-level. The fact of the matter is Flores became a backup catcher the minute Wilson Ramos walked in the door.

What bothered me more than Rizzo' "non-conversation" was (some) pitchers (and Ladson) talking out of school about the way Flores was calling games, and that he was spending too much time in the batting cage and not enough on the gameplan. Pudge said it clearly (and recently), hitting is not the catcher's [main] job.

As for Riggs, no sympathy from me. I detested Riggleman all along, and he was not fit for a winning team. He though he could test Rizzo, and he was wrong.

Dr Trea (formerly #werthquake) said...

"Not that he didn't expect to ever get his swing back"

this is a really complicated and confusing way of saying it...just sayin :)

Gonat said...

The Nats must dominate the sub .500 teams the rest of the way as taking care of bizness. Then vs. the playoff teams stay at .500 or better and must CRUSH the Braves.

With 58 games left, Nats can't rely on other teams to help against Atlanta. Just keep winning Nats!

The Real Feel Wood. Accept no substitutes. said...

How come everyone is so upset that Flores found out about the trade from the media, but no one cares how Sandy Leon found out? He's the one that got sent down to make room for Suzuki, not Flores.

NatsLady said...

Bottom line is, Riggs was not getting his contract renewed no matter what, and Rizzo knew it. If Riggs didn't know it (and he apparently didn't), that is part and parcel of his overall stupidity. I can't believe this is brought after all this time as a black mark against Rizzo...

JamesFan said...

I can't imagine hitting big league pitching a few weeks after breaking a wrist. Amazing recovery and very timely.

We are entering the period when the acquisition of Werth and his big game experience and leadership really count. Great to have him back.

JamesFan said...

Enough of the Flores' hurt feelings. I love Jesus as a player and consider him a hero for stepping up when Ramos went down. He is a big boy and understands that baseball is a tough business. They probably decided not to tell him until after the game. Mistake, could have been handled better, OK.

Riggleman's demise was self-inflicted and I'm very glad he's long gone. Not in the same category as the slight to Flores. I have no criticism of what the Nat's management did with Riggleman.

Let's move on.

Faraz Shaikh said...

I don't think Suzuki is replacing Flores next season. Suzuki is making 6+ million next season. I don't see a backup catcher (backup to Ramos) making that much money. At least in my opinion, that is too much money for a backup player.

Faraz Shaikh said...

Then again you can't really option him to minors, can you? I wonder if roles will be reversed and Ramos goes back to being backup (of Suzuki) and Flores gets cut or optioned to minors.

blovy8 said...

I like Flores and think he's better than he's shown this season, but when you hit .220 and only seem to accidentally throw out runners, you are lucky to still be in the majors. If he really called a bad game, it's hard to imagine how the pitchers' numbers could be this good.

Faraz Shaikh said...

just looking at when Suzuki was called up and his minor league seasons, I am guessing he has minor league options left on his contract.

Faraz Shaikh said...

amazing how in less than 20 comments, we went from werth's return to flores's feelings to suzuki. good stuff!

natsfan1a said...

Atta way, Jayson!

I read Flores' remarks after the fact and I'm not one of the parties involved, so no comment there. Riggs is history, so no comment there, either. (Pretty boring, eh?)

blovy8 said...

If Suzuki can't hit, that contract is going to be ugly. $6.45 million for next year, with a vesting option for 8.5 million in 2014 if he makes 113 starts in 2013. That's some really expensive insurance for Ramos.

nats guy said...

Gonat,

Thank God its actually only 54 games left.

BigCat said...

Flores need to stop whining and throw somebody out. This ain't high school ball anymore. And I realize that runners steal mostly on the pitcher. But 5 for 48? Come on man. I'll bet Pete Gray could gun down at least 6 of them!

bobfromalexandria said...

To me, getting Suzuki was done to bolster the Nats' defense. Defense is a priority with Davey/Rizzo. Fewer passed balls, more outs at second. Suzuki's good arm can help make up for not knowing the Nats' pitchers, or NL hitters. Superb defense has kept Espinosa in the lineup during his current hitting slump (although that homer was a helluva blast), and last year superb defense kept Desmond at short when he couldn't hit basketballs.

Go Nats!

The Real Feel Wood. Accept no substitutes. said...

The only way the Nats FO could have prevented Flores from hearing about the trade via the media would have been to restrict media access to all players after games the way they restricted access to Strasburg last year. If they had a policy that draconian, there would have been exponentially more stories about that than there were stories about poor little Jesus's hurt feelings. The press is making a much bigger deal about this than it really is. That's what they do. It's how they sell papers.

Tegwar said...

blovy8,

If Suzuki makes 113 starts he would be your starting catcher in 2013 so there would be problem with Ramos.

I don't care how he hits if he can handle the pitchers and keep the base runners honest, but that just how I look at it.

The trade did give me more in sight on how Rizzo thinks about things and the pecking order for catchers next year.

mick said...

If Ramos comes back 100% he should be the starter period

Anyone... who will be the 15 added in Sept

Faraz Shaikh said...

blovy8, I check BBref and Cots and found Suzuki's option to be club, not vesting. never mind, a reference from mlbtraderumors led me to correct info.

Either way expensive catcher I think.

Doc said...

In the company guy Bill Ladson's post, mention was made of the proverbial un-named FO sources who cited Flores' disregarding game plans and being too interested in his own offense.

'disregarding game plans' I interpret as working with the pitchers to keep runners on, although obviously I could be wrong.

We've always been told that the pitching staff, particularly noted by quotes from Gio. swear by JFlo. So, not sure that Flores is doing anything that he and his pitchers are not doing together.

As for JFlo being 'more interested in his own offense', from all we've been led to believe, and the state of Flores' offense, that would seem to be a crock.

Faraz Shaikh said...

btw it is if kurt plays in 118 games, not 113 starts. that's what I found.

NatsLady said...

I would bet Suzuki, if he is as good as they say, can give the pitchers some advice on runners. But, as was pointed out, the stolen base is vastly overrated unless it's in a close game with less than two outs. And a lot of times the stolen base is going to be against short relievers, and it would be foolish to try to retrain them to focus on baserunners when their job is to get three outs.

As to what they will do about next year, a lot depends on Ramos' recovery. I expect we will carry three catchers in the spring if we don't know. Teams will always need catchers, and if we have one we can trade, Suzuki's contract will not be the issue for a contending team with money. Really, this falls in the category of "things I'm not worried about."

mick said...

speaking of Ramos how is his rehab going?

BigCat said...

Yeah, well Ramos wasn't the golden boy behind the plate either. All I remember about him this year was dropping throw after throw at home as runners that should of been out slid in safely. Also, he looked a good 20 lbs heavier this year than last. And now you hear that he has either had another operation on his knee or is going to have one. That is not good

The Real Feel Wood. Accept no substitutes. said...

As for JFlo being 'more interested in his own offense', from all we've been led to believe, and the state of Flores' offense, that would seem to be a crock.

What this probably means is that he was letting his concern about his offensive slump affect his defensive play. And that would not be a crock.

Tegwar said...

NatsLady,

I have the Nats number at 96 and I think that number finishes first. Not sure why a lot of people have them playing close to .500 ball when they have played much better than that for 2 months. The Cardinals scare me a little. It's hard to explain their record when you look at their internal numbers. I know they have a bad BP but you would think they would have improved that?

Tough road trip in distance, time changes and no off days but I'm looking for 7-3 and will settle for 6-4. The D'Backs have put themselves back in the picture so they could be dangerous and the Nat's power numbers will suffer a little in AT&T park but I'm looking for low scoring close games there.

I wonder if Davey plays Harper in CF...I think he will and I hope someone let's him know about the hill i.e. (grassy knoll) and the pole.

I think the Nat's will also bring up a third catcher in September which is pretty standard practices and allows more options for PHing.

NatsLady said...

Doc, here's why I don't think it's a crock. You are a catcher and you are hitting .212 and "people" (read fans/media) are getting on your case because you are the proverbial black hole offensively. So you focus on your perceived "weakness" (successfully or not).

However, I wouldn't blame Flores for that. Maybe Davey or Randy Knorr should have stepped in and said, forget about the batting cages, just focus on getting your body healed and your D, there is plenty of offense on this team.

As for the "gameplan," pitchers have necks, they are allowed to use them. Use your neck enough and the catcher will get the idea. BUT. They don't like to because it slows down their rhythm and they would rather focus on execution. I don't blame them, you can't spend inning after inning shaking off pitches.

BTW, if you are looking for Gio to say something negative about his catcher, just look about 3,000 miles--because he did, just not to the media.

blovy8 said...

It's just money, but 6.25 million is some serious cash for a backup catcher next year. It's gambling on Suzuki regaining the 15 HR power he had. If this is the hitter he's become, they would have to eat all that salary to dump him, but I thought "cash considerations" were part of the deal. Obviously the rehab for Ramos is going to be important. But Suzuki is blaming his hitting on a hand injury, seems to me like catchers are always going to have those, whereas Flores after the initial shock, is making no excuses and understands he didn't do the job well enough to be secure as the starter.

NatsLady said...

I don't know why the Cards didn't get Broxton. Seems like Cincy got away with one there.

BigCat said...

It s shame Roger's time will be diminished. His defense has been second to none. He tracks everything. If its in the park, Shark is getting it!

Section 222 said...

I agree with pRAA on Leon/Flores [pause for jaws to hit the floor]. Leon became the odd man out because of this move (although he'll be back in a month, right?) Flores just went back to his opening day role. Life goes on. I have a feeling that everyone involved has moved on by now. I sure hope so.

On the September pitching rotation discussion, Maurymania had a good take in a comment late last night and NCNatsie added to it this morning on Stras's schedule. At this point, I'd be very surprised if they limit his innings or do anything to extend him beyond the Sept. 7 home game against Miami. After that, I think Lannan goes every five days until we clinch the NL East. As others have noted, September might be the time to try out prospects, and showcase people for potential trades, but not if you're in a pennant race.

If there is time left in the season after that, while having the best record in the whole NL has advantages, I would imagine the gas pedal will be eased off a bit to make sure that everyone is rested and lined up for the playoffs. So there may be an opportunity for a spot start for someone.

My only prediction there is that Stammen and Gorzo don't get those starts. Their roles are set and key for the playoffs. NatsJournal had a good piece on how well Gorzo has pitched overall this year. Davey is going to want them rested and ready. Oh, one other prediction, Maya never puts his foot on the rubber in the first inning in a major league park this year. Rizzo has seen that movie enough.

Anonymous said...

I'm not any more interested in hearing Flores whine about how he's being treated than I was hearing the same thing from Lannan earlier this year. Rizzo is in it to win it. The Lerners aren't paying him and trusting him with literally hundreds of millions of dollars of their money because he's a nice guy. If Flores were batting .260 with a dozen dingers and throwing out base runners at a decent clip, the trade wouldn't have happened. My guess is that Flores will be traded this offseason and the Nats will go into 2013 with Ramos and Suzuki.

As for Suzuki's cost, my understanding is that we are getting some salary relief from Oakland in the deal. But even if we weren't, doesn't the willingness to pay him show once and for all that the "Lerners are cheap" meme we used to hear repeatedly is dead as a doornail? And isn't that a GOOD thing for a team now trying to win a championship?

mick said...

Big Cat

Shark will still play in a lot of late inning games

blovy8 said...

Good point about Ramos dropping throws. There wasn't a perfect catching option for them out on the trading block. This just costs them money essentially.

mick said...

kolchak... that rap on the Lerners went out by signing Werth

A DC Wonk said...

What is the track record for catchers coming back after knee surgery such as Ramos'?

NatsLady said...

Fox, I think the worrywarts are looking at the teams we are scheduled to play: Giants, D-Backs, Cards and Dodgers--all teams that are in the hunt for playoffs.

Giants--cold wet weather for a warm weather team, and a ballpark that Bryce is not accustomed to--where are those walls again?

Dodgers--had our number last time, but we are a much different team now that in April. I have good vibes about that series.

D-Backs--they play hard and right on the edge of dirty, if not actually dirty.

Cards--see above.

Hopefully we can clean up on the Astros, Cubs, and Brewers (again) and the weaker teams in our own division.

blovy8 said...

If nothing else, I bet his hot streak ensures Bernadina a long look at a ML job next year.

blovy8 said...

Salvador Perez came back pretty fast after he broke his kneecap earlier this year, and has hit .320.

It may end up being better to play winning clubs, at least you've got a good scouting report on their guys, and there's no excuse for letdowns.

BigCat said...

Was watching the talking heads on MLB and they were talking about how Harpers front shoulder is flying open and its been going on a while. That would explain his lack of pop the other way. When Harper is good, he is driving the other way. Remember when he took Venters the other way.

MicheleS said...

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blovy8 said...

So wait, Gio liked throwing to Suzuki when he walked a bunch more guys a game? Yeah, Flores must be awful.

A DC Wonk said...

Nats: 4-10 in last 14 games at Houston. Time to reverse that.

A DC Wonk said...

Blovy8. Thanks for the info, but I think soft tissue surgery on the knee is a different recovery than a broken kneecap.

Anonymous said...

DC Wonk:

They're 4-14 with John Lannan as the #1 starter against the likes of Hunter Pence, Carlos Lee and Michael Bourn. I like our chances a little better this time around :)

Anonymous said...

Haha!!! I can definately believe that Werth is very suprised!!!! I hope he suprises himself more and keeps it up!

MicheleS said...

Wonk. Also some of the past games had A Good Version of Roy Oswalt/Wandy/Myers and let's not forget the Lance Berkman non-check swing call.

NatsLady said...

blov8--good point, Gio has cleaned up his act on the walks.

peric said...

We'll see if Werth's power comes back. That's the real trick. Right now he looks like a singles hitter who walks a lot and so perfectly appropriate for the leadoff spot. He knows how to work a count.

But after two surgeries to the same wrist you may not see many xtra base hits. He may not be a run producer this season and perhaps beyond. But, Morse has yet to come all the way back either. Right now there's just Zim and LaRoche as consistent run producers.

peric said...

What is the track record for catchers coming back after knee surgery such as Ramos'?

Its not good. Its when a lot of catchers become former catchers and move to other positions if they have bats. Perhaps Ramos could join team Pudge for workouts and really drop a lot of pounds and strengthen himself. He has YET to experience an entire major league season at catcher now adding rehabilitating a knee to learning how to get through that grueling grind. Going back to Venezuela for the winter would be a mistake if he gets fed and doesn't work out.

Anonymous said...

@peric - since June 28, Morse has hit 7 home runs with 24 RBIs, batted .329 and has an OPS of .872.

Sounds like he's back to me.

NatsLady said...

Just got off the phone with my STH rep. Really bizarre to here him talking World Series tickets and prices as if it were, ho-hum, routine...

MicheleS said...

NatsLady.. Oh My.. i have to do that as well... hmmm.. if he mentions "WS" I will just try to go "LALALALAALA -not listening"

Section 222 said...

The Astros are 4-30 in their last 34 games. We should feast on them. But I still remember that devastating series in 2010. (Ok, Baseball-Reference has refreshed my memory on the details, but I remember the lowpoints.) They were 17-34 going into that series. Not as bad as this year, but pretty darn bad.

The Nats clobbered the Astros in the first game 14-4 on May 31, getting to .500 for the season. They then lost 3 straight, with Matt Capps blowing 2 saves after the Nats had rallied to take the lead in the 9th. In the first game, Lance Berkman actually struck out to end the game, but the ump called it a check swing and Berkman singled in the winning runs. In the second game, Wandy baffled us for 5 innings, striking out 8, and we could no nothing against their bullpen.

The third game was the famous "let's try Guzman in RF even though he's never played the position" game, a standout in the Riggs repertoire of futility. The Nats again took the lead in the 9th, but Capps blew the save and lost the game on a 3 run walkoff by Carlos Lee after Guzman made an error on what would have been the last out on a flyball by Berkman. Painful painful stuff. We ended up going 8-19 in June.

But the Nats starters in that series were Atilano, Stammen, Lannan, and J.D. Martin. This time around, we have E-Jax, Det, Gio, and JZnn. As bowdenball said, I like our chances a little better this time.

Ghost Of Steve M. said...

Now today we have the uninformed bashing Wilson Ramos. Yah, he dropped the ball at home that Hairston ripped from his mitt.

I've never seen so many people constantly ripping their own. Ramos will be in Winter Ball near the end of their season.

If Flores isn't traded over the Winter expect Ramos, Suzuki and Flores in camp plus Leon and Solano and Maldonado.

SonnyG10 said...

Just got my 2012 Postseason Account Statement in the mail today, and WOW!!! Sticker shock. The post season would cost me more that my regular season tickets (22 game plan)...little over $2k for NL post season pkg and nearly $1.5k for WS for the Diamond Club. Don't think I want to afford that.

Section 222 said...

Michelle -- Indulge your superstitions if you wish, but make sure you understand that if you buy playoff strips, you're committing to buy World Series tickets too. ;-)

On that note, everyone who is considering renewing their season tix in order to be able to purchase additional strips of playoff tickets should be aware that those tickets are being sold on a first come first served basis. So while you have until Aug. 31 to purchase your own seats, you should renew right away if you want to get extras in order to get the best seats possible.

Ron In Reston said...

MicheleS, thanks for the update :)

And DC Wonk, you are correct....a broken bone heals much quicker and easier than a surgically repaired knee ligament. As an ACL reconstruction patient myself, this I know.

NatsLady said...

Decided to upgrade from the $10 seats to the $15 seats for 2013 (really liked it over the weekend). Will only cost "a couple of dollars" per game extra for that upgrade in the postseason. However, I am going to be out big money if I have to take a lot of time off work... Lovin' the idea--even if it doesn't happen.

NatsLady said...

Yeah, even poor me in the $10-15 seats will be over $400 for the WS. On a ratio basis, it's not weird that it goes into the thousands if you have $75 seats. Maybe you can downgrade. Or, with the election season around the corner, you can probably cash in bigtime with the "bundlers," you know, the types who want to get their rich friends to contribute to campaigns.

Ghost Of Steve M. said...

Wilson needed 2 operations, ACL and MCL which have both been successfully repaired. He was at the ballpark over the weekend in a brace and with crutches. The guy is a warrior and Rizzo and Davey love him.

May the best man be the #1 in 2013!

PS, Beane didn't want Suzuki any more. They chose .197 Derek Norris over him.

UnkyD said...

Sorry, Ghost (and I make no secret of my own ignorance), but I remember more than that one dropped ball at the plate, and he was having trouble blocking dirtballs, as well. He looked heavy, and there was much discussion of it, at the time. I love the Moose, and hope he comes back strong, but I don't see him more than a couple times a week, next year, getting strong at a good, healthy pace... Suzuki=perfect fit...

A DC Wonk said...

Yes, I have nightmares of that disastrous 2010 series at Houston, too. I'd like to bury those memories with a sweep (or at least 3/4). Granted, we have a completely different staff. But, still, only some wins will exorcise that nightmare for me

Ghost Of Steve M. said...

You have seen Suzuki for 1 game and have declared him a "perfect fit"?

Section 222 said...

Geez Ghost, you lambaste people for "bashing" Ramos and then turn around and dis Suzuki with a comparison to Norris's BA? Suzuki is one of our guys too now, right?

peric said...

@peric - since June 28, Morse has hit 7 home runs with 24 RBIs, batted .329 and has an OPS of .872.

Adam LaRoche .254 ISO 23 home runs, 23 doubles
Ryan Zimmerman .183 ISO 15 home runs, 24 doubles
Michael Morse .150 ISO 8 home runs, 11 doubles

Compared to last season and past seasons where injuries were factors Morse isn't really there yet. Its not like these other two run producers
haven't had injuries. He'll come around but he's not there yet.

A DC Wonk said...

Knowing little about Beane beyond his reputation, didn't the pick Norris based on the huge(?) differential in salary?

A DC Wonk said...

C'mon peric, we need to exclude Morse's first 20 games (which were his spring training)

peric said...

PS, Beane didn't want Suzuki any more. They chose .197 Derek Norris over him.

Uhmmm Ghost,

Look at the difference in salaries and the years of control? Suzuki was the face-of-the-franchise in Oakland and commanded pretty decent pay. Too much for strip down to the bare bones, rebuild on the cheap with top prospects acquired in trade to be ready for the move to San Jose A's.

Beane is going cheap ... people here call the Lerner's cheap ... Uncle Lew really is cheap!

Anonymous said...

It's refreshing to see all the different points of view. Everyone is analyzing what was done, what can be done, and what is happening right now. The bottom line is we-are-where-we-are. But, it's fun to analyze and predict. Kinda gives us something to do!!

peric said...

C'mon peric, we need to exclude Morse's first 20 games (which were his spring training)

Shall we exclude Zimmerman's months where he was closing in on the Mendoza line pre cortisone shot? Its not like LaRoche wasn't coming off of shoulder surgery this season?

Morse is still working his way back. He's a slow healer. He'll get there and it sure seems like he is going to do it exactly at the right time if he can avoid further injury. Lots of back injuries this season.

OutsideTheLaw said...

NatsLady said: "Tcostant, this was much-discussed when it happened. The trade was finalized at 2:30 on the day of a double-header. When, exactly, was Rizzo supposed to have this conversation? Call Jesus before the first game--so Flores could go into shock then? Before the second game, so Leon could go into shock, knowing he was about to go back down? In the 20 seconds before reporters--who were twittering and posting all afternoon-- ambushed Flores in the clubhouse? It's not even clear Rizzo was in town, he wasn't at the games that I could see."

I was at the doubleheader on Friday and learned about the trade early in the first game when I check either this site of the Post's site. Then, an hour or so later (I think late in the first game) the news was posted BIG on the centerfield score board that the Nats had acquired Susuki, with a picture of him (it didn't say for whom). So the Nats themselves announced this to the fans (and any players who were looking at the scoreboard) during the games on Friday.

Ghost Of Steve M. said...

Section222, that was a pissed response to Suzuki=Perfect Fit

Part of Beane's strategy is always reducing salary. The San Jose blogs said his time has been over there. Looks like he fell out of favor. I will certainly watch and hope for the best. In one game I saw a catcher who liked to move locations around. Can't comment much further than that.

The Real Feel Wood. Accept no substitutes. said...

SonnyG10 said...
Just got my 2012 Postseason Account Statement in the mail today, and WOW!!! Sticker shock. The post season would cost me more that my regular season tickets (22 game plan)...


Yeah, but keep in mind that they're forcing you to buy tickets for every possible postseason game, 13 in all (possible tiebreaker + wild card game + 3 NLDS + 4 NLCS + 4 WS). There's a good chance some of those games don't get played. Indeed if the Nats win the division and run the table in the postseason, eight of those games become unnecessary. (Tiebreaker, wild card, 2 NLDS, 2 NLCS and 2 WS.) So you'll probably end up getting a big chunk of that money back. Or at least your STH account will...

peric said...

So the Nats themselves announced this to the fans (and any players who were looking at the scoreboard) during the games on Friday.

I believe the very smaltzy, maudlin, and way too over the top marketing and sales folks are run by different people than Baseball Operations. I'm not sure they even talk to each other much. I mean they intentionally start the wave during games and block people's view? That is pure lame brained stupidity. Reflected in their zeal to post the Suzuki trade on the score board.

The Real Feel Wood. Accept no substitutes. said...

There's 222 not getting in an argument again with someone who's not me because I'm the only one who gets into arguments with him that he didn't start. Interesting, isn't it?

The Real Feel Wood. Accept no substitutes. said...

nearly $1.5k for WS for the Diamond Club

Postseason ticket prices are set by MLB, not by the teams. My IF Gallery seat is $20/game for the regular season, $100/game for the WS - a 500% markup. Sounds like the Diamond Club seats, which are $150/game for the regular season, are $375/game for the WS - only a 150% markup. Just like Romney's tax plan, the rich clean up at the expense of the middle class.

SonnyG10 said...

pRAA, good point on the post-season ticket prices. Perhaps I'll reconsider my decision. Tnx.

Candide said...

"Werth" and "giddy" in the same sentence.

Finding a cow in the back seat of my car would be less startling.

BigCat said...

I think replays showed the ball was already loose..."dropped" by the time Hairston was clawing at it. Anyhow, when we got Ramos in the Capps deal, I thought the guy was an absolute stud. I think I remember saying he was our catcher for the next 10 years. Then he came back this year and looked overweight and slow. Balls were getting by him and his throws weren't the same. With all the money that guys are making in sports today, I cannot possibly fathom how a guy can let himself get out of shape. Hopefully Wilson will come back gangbusters next year.

SonnyG10 said...

Mmm...didn't know MLB set post season ticket prices. Interesting.

The Real Feel Wood. Accept no substitutes. said...

My IF Gallery seat is $20/game for the regular season, $100/game for the WS - a 500% markup.

Actually, I did the math wrong. That's only a 400% markup. But why doesn't that make me feel any better?

The Real Feel Wood. Accept no substitutes. said...

PS, Beane didn't want Suzuki any more. They chose .197 Derek Norris over him.

Salary might have had a lot to do with that.

The Real Feel Wood. Accept no substitutes. said...

With all the money that guys are making in sports today, I cannot possibly fathom how a guy can let himself get out of shape.

He had a rather high stress and completely unexpected life event to deal with last winter. Completely understandable that that could cause him to put on a few LBs. Cut him some slack.

John said...

Jayson Werth is a classless loudmouth. An average MLB outfielder at best.
Overpaid for a few years of production, a suspicious "late bloomer" on the tail end of an era of "late bloomers". Superstar attitude, superstar narcism a lot to pay for a player who needs to be protected in the lineup by superior players. May go down as one of the worst contracts in sports history. don't be fooled by a handful of games. Weirdo will show his true colors soon enough.

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