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We've got an interesting pitching matchup for the series opener: Dan Haren vs. old pal John Lannan. Haren is making his return from the DL, and it's anybody's guess how he'll look tonight. He will be attempting to do something kind of cool tonight: If Haren wins, he'll become only the 13th pitcher in MLB history to have beaten all 30 current franchises.
The newly acquired Scott Hairston is expected to be here and in uniform for tonight's game, though I don't expect him to be in the lineup. Don't be surprised, though, if Davey Johnson finds a way to get the veteran outfielder in there tomorrow. Hairston's career numbers against Cole Hamels: 12-for-30, five doubles, five homers, 1.521 OPS.
Updates to come, so please check back...
WASHINGTON NATIONALS at PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES
Where: Citizens Bank Park
Gametime: 7:05 p.m. EDT
TV: MASN2, ESPN (outside D.C. market), MLB.tv
Radio: WJFK (106.7 FM), WFED (1500), XM 183
Weather: Chance of storms, 85 degrees, Wind 11 mph LF to RF
NATIONALS (46-42)
CF Denard Span
SS Ian Desmond
LF Bryce Harper
3B Ryan Zimmerman
RF Jayson Werth
1B Adam LaRoche
2B Anthony Rendon
C Wilson Ramos
RHP Dan Haren
PHILLIES (43-46)
CF Ben Revere
SS Jimmy Rollins
2B Chase Utley
LF Domonic Brown
3B Michael Young
RF Delmon Young
1B Darin Ruf
C Carlos Ruiz
LHP John Lannan
UMPIRES
HP Lance Barksdale
1B Vic Carapazza
2B Gary Cederstrom (cc)
3B Kerwin Danley
7:08 p.m. — We are underway with a strike from John Lannan to Denard Span. My updates early in the game may be sparse, because there's plenty else going on that I'm still writing about, including Bryce Harper being named to compete in the Home Run Derby and the full reaction on the Scott Hairston trade. So please check the homepage for all of that.
7:29 p.m. — Not the first inning Dan Haren or the Nats wanted. He allowed three singles, issued two walks (one with the bases loaded), uncorked a wild pitch and was in trouble from the very beginning. That Haren somehow got out of all that allowing only two runs is perhaps a minor miracle. Regardless, this is not a particularly good sign for the veteran right-hander. Nats trail 2-0 after one.
7:49 p.m. — Better stuff from Haren in the second, though he needed a great play by Ian Desmond to get Jimmy Rollins. The Nats, meanwhile, have put one runner on against John Lannan so far. Still 2-0 after two.
8:07 p.m. — Haren remains rocky, having now allowed five hits and three walks in only three innings. But he's allowed only the two early runs, so he's managed to keep this thing within reach. Of course, Lannan has retired nine of 10 batters faced so far, the lone exception a Jayson Werth infield single. Still 2-0 after three.
8:20 p.m. — The Nats put three men on base in the fourth against Lannan, yet didn't score. Why? Because Harper was thrown out trying to steal second, with an awkward-looking, feet-first, late slide into the base perhaps contributing. You have to wonder if that's a case of Bryce trying to protect his knee, sliding in a manner he's not accustomed to. That mistake prevented the bases from being loaded for LaRoche, though it probably wouldn't have mattered because LaRoche grounded out sharply to second on the first pitch he saw to end the inning. So it remains a 2-0 game moving to the bottom of the fourth.
8:26 p.m. — Well, Haren has now retired six in a row and he's now through the fourth still having allowed only the two first-inning runs. It's been an eventful night already for the right-hander. He's got six strikeouts, but he's also allowed five hits and three walks. He's at 73 pitches, and you wonder if Davey might just give him one more inning and call it a night.
8:32 p.m. — So, the same Nats lineup that has scored 56 runs over its last eight games has now been shut out for five innings by John Lannan. Still 2-0.
8:43 p.m. — Somehow, Haren has made it through five innings and has still allowed only the two runs. He got a big strikeout of Darin Ruf to end the fifth with two men on. At 95 pitches, you have to wonder if Davey will just be happy with what he got from his starter and hand the rest of this game to his bullpen.
8:52 p.m. — That will indeed do it for Haren. His final line: 5 IP, 7 H, 2 ER, 3 BB, 7 K, 95 pitches, 59 strikes. Fernando Abad enters for the bottom of the sixth of what still remains a 2-0 deficit.
9:18 p.m. — We're going to the eighth here, it's now 3-0 after Abad gave up a run in the sixth. The Nats still haven't done anything against Lannan, who has taken the mound for the eighth with a shutout still intact.
9:25 p.m. — In six-plus seasons with the Nationals, Lannan pitched eight-plus innings of scoreless ball only once: a 2009 shutout of the Mets. Well, he's done it tonight, allowing four hits over eight sparkling innings. He got a standing ovation as he walked off the mound just now, the Phillies still leading 3-0 and the Nats down to their last three outs.
9:33 p.m. — Ninth inning upcoming. It's Jonathan Papelbon vs. Bryce Harper, Ryan Zimmerman and Jayson Werth, the Nats still trailing 3-0.
9:48 p.m. — That's it. The Nats did threaten against Papelbon. Harper singled, Zimmerman doubled and Werth came a few feet shut of a game-tying homer but had to settle for a sac fly. LaRoche also lofted a sac fly. Chad Tracy then made the final out, so the Nats lose 3-2.
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One little tidbit for those that like their small sample size meals, Roger Bernadina for some reason had hit Cliff Lee well. I had to look it up as I remembered this from last year: .429/.429/.429/.857 as he is 3 for 7 lifetime.
"If Haren wins, he'll become only the 13th pitcher in MLB history to have beaten all 30 current franchises."
OK, now I'm *really* pulling for Haren.
Here's Hairston's slash against Cliff Lee with 2 HRs and a double .214/.214/.464/.679 in 28 ABs.
For those of you wondering, Scott Hairston doesn't own John Lannan. 0-6 in his career vs John.
Wow, he's even been strong against Lee? The timing of this move is very interesting...
Well, not STRONG against Lee, but not helpless, either.
Outfield configs:
Lannan vs. Bryce, Span, Werth
Hamels vs. Hairston, Bryce, Werth
Lee vs. Bernadina, Span, Werth
if you believe in small sample sizes.
Likewise. Go, Dan! Go, NATS!!
Eric said...
"If Haren wins, he'll become only the 13th pitcher in MLB history to have beaten all 30 current franchises."
OK, now I'm *really* pulling for Haren.
July 08, 2013 3:40 PM
Span and Bernadina have better numbers against Cliff Lee unless you are going for Slugging % as your priority plus you pickup defense with Bernadina over Hairston.
David Proctor said...
Harper was HBP by Hamel? Who knew.
We were at that game, and it (along with the stolen base of home) was a big factor in the Wonkling's falling in love with baseball.
It's funny, but nobody remembers that, if I recall correctly, the Phillies blew us out that game. All that mattered was Harper stealing home.
David, I just remember Werth breaking his wrist and the taunts of the Phoolies when it happened.
"Span and Bernadina have better numbers against Cliff Lee"
Does it really matter what Bernadinas numbers are against a particular pitcher this year. Chances are Cliff Lee would carve him up for 4 Ks.
Hey Wonk they have a shirt just for you on giveaway day
WONK shirt
Nats 128 - you said it. I'm not starting Bernie over anyone in that game. Love the Shark, but his measly 5 RBIs in 106 ABs this season is pretty telling regarding how awful he's been at the plate this year.
Ramos starts again tonight.
Sorry, make that 137 ABs for Bernie with 5 runs driven in. Yuck.
Ha ha....yes...ol Shark has had a pretty rough year at the plate
karlkolchak, you know what the Fortune Cookie says about small sample sizes: Sample size is for you to try not to eat as a meal
As a matter of fact, Shark is lucky to have a job
AJ Cole replacing Taylor Jordan on the Future's Game roster.
After my slightly negative post on Bernadina, I do believe he will win a game for the Nats this year. That catch to save the game in Houston last year was amazing.
Bernadina needs to be used more as a late inning defensive replacement and you just hope he starts to hit.
"AJ Cole replacing Taylor Jordan on the Future's Game roster."
Seriously?
The only player in the Nats organization who owns Cliff Lee is Danny Espinosa: 7-19, with 3 HR and a 2B. .368/.368/.895.
Bring him up!
As a matter of fact, Shark is lucky to have a job
And a cool, fan-created nickname.
Haren on the hill. We gotta swing the lumber. Gotta make John-Boy bring his pitches in the zone. Can't chase that little sinker/slider he throws.
Section 222, I make the same comment I did on Bernadina:
Does it really matter what Espinosas numbers are against a particular pitcher this year. Chances are Cliff Lee would carve him up for 4 Ks.
"If Haren wins, he'll become only the 13th pitcher in MLB history to have beaten all 30 current franchises."
Is that counting the many times he has defeated Washington this season?
The posts are funny today.
Shark needs to keep his upper body still when he loads. He rocks his whole body back.....ah it useless with Eck though. I'm not going down the Eck road anymore
"Shark needs to keep his upper body still when he loads. He rocks his whole body back.....ah it useless with Eck though. I'm not going down the Eck road anymore"
Yeah, we better fire Eck quick before he ruins all the hot bats!
Eric, we all know that when the bats are hot it is despite Eckstein, when the bats are cold it is because of Eckstein. Get with the program!
The low average tonight is .259
Span .267
Desmond. .281
Harper .274
Zimmerman .279
LaRoche .259
Werth .287
Rendon .303
Ramos .300
The team line average .241 You can tell we would closer to .270 if line up played together even 75% of yhe time vice 20%.
128, Danny would probably manage a popup don't you think? I hear he's really figured it out down in Syracuse.
John C, perhaps a "/sarcasm" was in order to conclude my post ;).
LaRoche is our lowest avg and he's hitting over .300 in his last 50 games. I like.
I hear he's really figured it out down in Syracuse.
Talk about kicking a guy when he's down (in AAA).
Ryan Howard out 6-8 weeks. Doubt he plays again since the Phils will be out of it by then.
Sec 222,
I didn't know you had that mean streak in you.
"LaRoche is our lowest avg and he's hitting over .300 in his last 50 games. I like."
Another one we should've gotten rid of while we still had a reason. We've really missed some golden opportunities to shed people this season.
Hey, Danny nearly doubled his BA in just three games. Bring him up now-- he's healed!
Nats 128 said...
Hey Wonk they have a shirt just for you on giveaway day
WONK shirt
How about that!
Now nobody will be able to find me! (Where's Waldo?)
Eric said...
"LaRoche is our lowest avg and he's hitting over .300 in his last 50 games. I like."
Another one we should've gotten rid of while we still had a reason. We've really missed some golden opportunities to shed people this season.
Nice. ;-)
Sorry JD, but Espi has a special place in my dark heart. He hurt the team with his stubborn refusal to admit he was injured on the long west coast road trip. Plus, I'm skeptical that he's turned it around as some have claimed just because he had a couple of multi-hit games down on the farm.
Rendon's my guy at 2B. I called for it well before it happened, and he's done everything we hoped for and more.
Philthies scare the &$)/: out of me. Especially in the NL leagues version of Camden yards.
Boz is losing his mind--thinks the Nats could pry David Price away from the Rays for, get this--Detwiler, Moore, Espinosa and Cole.
If I were Rizzo, I'd make that trade 100 times out of 100, but the Rays GM would have to have his head examined. Talk about overvaluing your own players.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/nationals-journal/wp/2013/07/08/thomas-boswell-on-scott-hairston-trade-and-its-implications/
Just giving you some grief 222. In truth there are some hopeful signs coming from Syracuse. Even before he started hitting the K rate was well down which indicated to me that something is clicking.
From my perspective, it's always good when one of your players resurrects his value even if it's for trade purposes only so from that point of view at least I am pulling for Danny to make it all the way back.
In addition, I hate to question a player's motivation in any regard because I am pretty sure that none of us know the whole story although some sure claim they do.
Only thing I've really read about Espi in here is that he's gotten some hits of late. Don't really recall reading anything about a turnaround.
I think your dark heart might be coloring the words you read, 222 ;)
As if I needed another reason to hope Dan Haren is sharp tonight, the fact that the last team he needs to beat is the Phillies make me want it even more. GYFNG. And may Lannan be serving meatballs tonight. Definitely eat some face tonight guys!
I believe another 5-2 week is a good poddibility.
I'm sure the Rays would be thrilled to have our once interesting, now turned injured and disappointing, young players. That's how they built their perennial contender, right?
Ten runs might not be enough to win tonight. For either team.
Karl, YES to David Price + they would have to throw in a AA outfielder.
I still hope Rizzo pursues Bud Norris.
Amanda Comak @acomak 39s
Davey excited about the addition of Scott Hairston. "More the kind of player we need. A veteran presence on the bench, not some youngster."
Davey said he plans to start him a game or two. Seems like Hamels is the obvious choice.
Ghost,
I am pretty sure Rizzo will try to shore up the rotation if Det is not a short term thing. I don't believe for a moment that either he or Davie consider Taylor Jordan as a viable long term option for this year.
Ghost,
'they would have to throw in a AA outfielder.'
If you mean Goodwin, I wouldn't do it. I think the package as is rumored is not unreasonable.
Danks from the White Sox. When Det comes back (if he does) he has to go in the bullpen, like it or not. Can't rely on him for more than 3-4 innings, but those 3-4 innings can be great.
It's not unreasonable because Price will be out of their price range (no pun intended) shortly and if at least 2 out of the 4 players pan out it's not a terrible haul for them.
LOL on Davey... thought he loved the kids--well, he does until they don't perform.
Hiram,
the pinch hit batting average I quoted for the Braves is not a small sample but 100 ABs.
You can easily check the numbers yourself for various teams without calculating it at:
http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/batting/type/expanded-2
Ghost,
I like Bud Norris a lot. So do a lot of other teams, I'm sure.
I would love Price, but if I were the Rays I'd take up a collection or get the local pols to up the taxes.
Dave's can be mean.
Well, praying for rain tonight didn't work.
One more shower near gametime and that's it.
Maybe Thursday ?
NatsLady,
Other than Longoria the Rays don't have a history of retaining their players once they become expensive. I wouldn't rule that idea out at all. I wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger on the package outlined above. I just wouldn't give away our only remaining position prospect.
NL, who is our 5th starter...Why all the Det detrimental comments. He pitched well before his DL stint.
Apparently the Cubs are going to pay part of Hairston's 2014 salary. They must like Pineyro.
jeffwx--no, he didn't. He pitched well for a few innings before his DL stint.
Ghost Of Steve M. - yep, we might be able to get Norris for a reasonable (ahem) price, unlike Price.
Just WOW on the Tweeter from Amanda quoting Davey "not some youngster".
I know some are down on Goodwin based on his BA which is just .259 but if you look under the covers you will find that he gets on base at a .355 clip, has a little pop and plays good defense and this is his 1st year at AA which is a tough level to master. He's not close to the majors but he's not failing by any means.
I would also not get to worked up about the stolen base/caught steeling stats because as a team we don't run very much, I don't think the brass likes the risk/reward outcomes very much.
Oh please NL. Why would you say that? Five of his eight starts were quality starts before he went on the DL in May. His ERA at that point was 2.76.
I'll need to hear how Davey said it. It sounds very mean: "not some youngster" but Davey has been a big fan of Moore for a long time. I have a hard time believing he meant it the way it reads.
NL, I disagree.
Between April 6-May 15,
he had a 2.76 ERA, giving up
1,1,1,2,4,3,2 before getting injured.
I'd love to have that Ross be our number 5 again.
Give em some love.
Norris can be had I'm sure and since the Nats get him under team control longer they can give up a top prospect pitcher.
JD, I would want a younger outfielder from Tampa in that deal if they wanted AJ Cole.
Check his gamelog. Detwiler had exactly two above-average starts--in April. He had two Slightly above average starts in April. He's had one start since that was above Game Score of 50 (average) on May 10. Even for a No. 4-5 that is not a good record.
He has gone 7 innings twice (in April). In fact, in his entire career he has never pitched past the 7th inning. So you know when Det is in the game the bullpen will be also.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=detwiro01&t=p&year=
Lots of folks seem to think it's no big deal to stick a starter in the bullpen. I know Det was there last year when Wang got his tryout, and RossO is there now. But despite many calls from this board, Lannan never went to the bullpen. Nor did Livo (at least not with us). Nor will Haren, nor will, in my opinion, Det.
Detwiler did a good job with it last year, at least.
Ghost,
I would include Cole in a package to get a quality starter. From what I read (Keith Law just scouted him in person) the quality of his secondary pitches does not appear to be improving all that much and even though he has electric stuff he may just end up being a back end bullpen guy.
222, I agree that it is difficult for a starter to adjust to bullpen life. Some do, some don't. But what do you do with a guy like Detwiler who can't seem to make it past the 5th inning and who is still young?
Det in the WBC was just amazing. If he could just do that- pitching, mound presence, the whole package. I want that.
You can disagree all you want, but my eyes also see a guy who does not have the stamina and the secondary pitches to make it three times around the lineup. He's young, but he's not THAT young, and he went over 100 pitchers (107) exactly once this year.
NatsLady, you are now sounding like me pre-July 21 last year.
Norris would be a nice addition.
I would like to take this opportunity to wish Tyler Moore the best. He seems to be a great kid, the veterans have all praised his attitude, work ethic and talent. He is too under- developed to rot on the bench. I might even look up a video of his Rigers Centre bombs last season. That Syracuse team is just loaded.
swami, I fell into that trap with CMW--judging by one great game (or two) and expecting that kind of performance, or close to it, on a regular basis.
Right now, Cole is not going to fetch a big return on his own. Remember, he was dealt to us with two other pitchers for Morse alone at the start of this season. It might have been different had he been dominant at Potomac this year, but he has instead been up and down.
Face it, folks, prying a decent starter out of another team is going to hurt the system. Getting someone like Price would leave it resembling Death Valley.
NL, you're being unfair. Stras has gone more than 7 innings how many time? Just two all year long. Only Gio and JZnn can be counted on for 7 at this point. Our bullpen is involved in every game. That's a ridiculous expectation you are setting up.
I did check the game logs, actually. That was the basis of my last comment. Before his injury, Det was pitching well. He had four out of five good starts in April, and one out of two good ones in May. He went 6.2 innings and gave up only 2 runs on May 10. I don't know what his Game Score was for that start, and I don't really care. I'd take that result any day of the week. In his next start, he got hurt.
You've never liked Det. I remember comments about his physique and toughness last year (though I think you kind of backed off after Game 4), but you should at least be fair. It's just factually inaccurate to say he never gets out of the 5th inning. He did so 5 out of 8 times this year before his injury, and in three of those starts he pitched into or through the 7th. Are you mistaking him for Nate Karns?
No way to prove future predictions, but I think A.J. Cole is going to be a front line ML pitcher. Patience, Grasshoppers.
I'm with NatsLady on Detwiler. He and John Lannan may not physically resemble each other at all, but their career numbers and their inability to pitch deep into games IS eerily similar. At 27 with 69 career starts under his belt, Det should be nearing the prime of his career. Instead, he looks like a number 5 starter at best.
I never, EVER commented on Detwiler's physique. That was other people, who suggested he might need to put on some weight/strength in his legs. I also TRY not to comment on people's mental strength or lack thereof because I can't read minds, and I'm not there to see how hard they work on a day-to-day basis, either physically or in video sessions, unless it's reported.
Have you seen John Lannan lately? He has gotten to be a big, strong man. Do not take him lightly or expect to see the John Lannan of a few years back. He has become one tough customer. He also has brought his bat with him. I think our guys will not be taking anything for granted tonight. I have heard many experts say that lefties take longer to reach maturity. Good lefties are also a great commodity. Still going to hold on to the hope that Det will bloom.
Bryce Harper is in the Home Run Derby.
David when was that announced? Carlos Beltan there?
My Fios tv listing is not showing the game, but I need to record it. Do I need to record ESPN news six times to get it? Any ideas?
Carlos gonzalez and Mixhael cudyer
The NL team is Wright, Carlos Gonzalez, Michael Cuddyer and Harper. The AL team is Robinson Cano, Prince Fielder, Chris Davis and some guy he didn't announce.
Not sure why Wright didn't pick Stanton.
20 and a starter for the asg-- AND in the home run derby???? Wow!
ESPN is televising tonight's game. Is it not on MASN too?
DP, per Mark, above:
TV: MASN2, ESPN (outside D.C. market), MLB.tv
I actually felt that Det was going to have a break out season back in Spring training, kinda like the year J Zim is having...
It will be lacked on ESPN locally. But of course we can see it on MASN
Actually MASN2
It's on MASN2. The O's game is on MASN.
Mick have you abandonbed the thought the Nats will end up in 4th behind the Mets? You had that about 2-3 weeks ago.
I have had Nats wiinning all aling and still do.
Nats are 4 back for both division and wild card
Manassas Nats' Fan
you may be right
Correct.
It might be on masn two, but the grid doesn't show it- it shows repeated half hour shows of ESPN. Can't figure out how to record it and have to leave.
Speaking of MASN2, they are showing Davey's interview on the pregame where he said he liked veterans on the bench, "not some youngsters." It's pretty much what it sounds like. Ouch.
I mentioned that yesterday, but people didn't think that was important.
It shows on my comcast grid, and I am watching Nat's extra.
Sofa, Davey can say that since he is in his walk year although he's never been too shy about saying what he feels.
Sec. 3, My Sofa said...
Speaking of MASN2, they are showing Davey's interview on the pregame where he said he liked veterans on the bench, "not some youngsters." It's pretty much what it sounds like. Ouch.
July 08, 2013 6:45 PM
That's the Davey we know, speaking the truth even if it is difficult to hear.
Scott Hairston looks good in the new uni...like it.
Detwiler was always the weak link in the rotation this year. And that includes Haren.
I seem to remember A LOT of people outraged over Haren being listed as the #4 over Detwiler.
Span at home hits so much better than Span away.
Span hits lots to first or second baseman on tge road.
NL, sorry I misremembered your previous comments about Det. But you were not fairly representing his performance this year when you said he "can't seem to make it past the 5th." Of that I am sure.
Think John Lannan has some incentive to pitch well tonight? Facing the guy who essentially replaced him in the rotation. Yikes. I sure hope we light him up, if only to avoid having to hear "we should have just kept Lannan" tomorrow.
2 of 3 well, but hit right at fielders.
Now need Haren to pitch to ability.
Great sign to start the game. A single.
speaking the truth even if it is difficult to hear.
Oh please. Gratuitous slap at guys who are no longer with the team and did their best. What purpose did that serve? I'm not impressed in the least. Or was it a message to Rizzo -- get me some guys who can hit for the bench please.
Hear it tonight. We should have just kept Lannan.
Matt Kemp going to the DL and eligible to come back during the Nats series. Maybe the Nats will miss him for the entire series.
2 stolen bases, and the throw was on time to third, but nowhere close to the bag.
"Or was it a message to Rizzo?"
That's my assumption. Doesn't make much sense to snipe at Moore.
Can't field or pitch....
Haren at least not giving up homers, but put glove in front of you not between legs.
Someone was talkin bout a short leash. I've seen enough
That was a tough or impossible play for Haren to make. Not his fault for not fielding. Is his fault for giving up a hard hit ball.
Oh Dan. Settle down.
Sigh..
We look like a Little League team out there.
He can at least learn to duck or get out of the way for his own protection....
I thought Haren didn't walk guys.....
Haren is back -- same Haren, same result a-coming.
and you know, Ramos is not nearly as good defensively as Zook. Ball through his wickets just now -- and yesterday, he dropped two balls at plays at the plate -- which he's famous for.
Ramos will cost us as many games behind the dish as he'll win for us with his bat. A wash.
So we are essentially forfeiting this game....
BigCat said...
Someone was talkin bout a short leash. I've seen enough
Turn a doubleplay here. Please.
Haren rarely ealks anyone from 0-2 to a walk.
Let's just write this one off folks. Rizzo is going to acquire a pitcher, he has to.
Get his butt out of there. Haven't we seen enough. Gonna be 5-0 shortly
I'm really trying to be positive here... But Dan Haren.. Unh...
Got him right where he wants him at 1-2.....
Put in all the backups. Haren is an automatic loss every time. I hope he never pitches for the nats again after tonight. And whomever thought he was ready is an even bigger fool
I like how FP referred to Haren's "injury." Stop it!! Even Haren admitted there was no injury. Haren is man enough to admit his problem is performance, and not laying off on some faux injury. So why does F.P. keep the make believe 'saving face' story of an injury going?
Here come those that seemingly only show up when the Nats are behind.
As bad as Haren pitched. Had the Buffalo thrown the ball low not head jigh the Phils would score 0
Forget Haren, Ramos looks like he hasn't caught a big league game in six months. His mechanics back there are just awful. I know the guy hits. But I miss Zook behind the dish.
He did no rehab, apparently....
He swung come get your eyes checked
Ramos dropped 2 yesterday that were in his glove at home....
A tempest. A sirocco. Dan Haren.
They really blow.
@Fan since the Start: Because F.P. is just a worse homer than even Sunshine Bobby. F.P. could see the bright side of a tidal wave hitting the team bus.
Imagine it: Haren is one pitch away from being down 6-0.
he walked a rank rookie.
Haren is keeping the line moving!!!
I am sorry. I just don't know what to say anymore. Rizzo and the Nats seem inclined to end our winning streak.
Oh get over it seamhead it's the first inning. Everybody's 20 minutes late big deal.
First base ump cost us that run.
Haren no fishing on a 3-2 count.
Just pathetic.
Good. Haren is getting his pitch count way up there. He's liable to be gone by the third.
As per usual.
Sorry. Get over it ghost.
Can't believe Haren spotted them 2 but let's see how he throws the next 5 innings.
What you want him to do. As i sai Ramos tgrow ball low Revere is out easily on the steal and phils sore 0.
relax, we are lucky its not 5 or 6-0...we will be fine if we hit like we should and Haren will settle down...he got hosed on that check swing I think but we're fine.
I feel very lucky that the score is not 6-0. 3 singles, 2 walks, a wild pitch and some vicious fans....
Which Ramos' tgrow or ump's call?
Haren should pitch in the Home Run Derby.
In hind sight it's only 2-0 but Haren did nothing that inning to really make me believe he has anything left in the tank...
This is disappointing... Out of 10+ plus starts, he has only had 3 (maybe) good ones....
Yep Ramos looks like a big stiff back there. Balls through the wickets, not getting down to block pitches -- What really bothers me about him is how many balls at the plate he drops -- Zook catches and tags on every play -- Ramos either blinks, or shys away afraid of contact, gets too excited -- whatever the reason, it's gonna bite us one day
This guy a complete momentum killer. He has to go this week. Is Stevie wonder available?
Haren was not good, but should have not given up a run with an accuratr throw to third.
I feel it should be 0-0
And all we had to do long ago was just stick with Lannan -- how easy (and cheaper) would that have been?
And the face of the franchise is no match for Johnny L
I am not sure that we can hit this guy.
Phillies fan still booing Werth: Give it up, losers
Wow the ump sucks too.
Nice Werth! Infield single!
Sorry about the negativity. I will try and be better. We've been playing so good lately .....sigh
Whelp.. All we can hope for at this point is that Dan settle down... And The offense keeps chugging...
Big cat I too don't want to be negative. But it's John lannan. C'mon.
We got this in the bag . 9-6 final
David Proctor said...
Haren should pitch in the Home Run Derby.
July 08, 2013 7:30 PM
DP, good one, maybe Harper will bring Haren with him as his pitcher.
We have trouble with guys with slow fast balls.
They should cheer Werth. They don't have to pay his salary, and it is not as though the Phils were his first team. Werth was a loss-leader for us and we are okay with that.
To those pining for John Lannan:
Puh-leeze.
He has been terrible this year. His ERA is 5.15 -- the worst of his career.
Dan Haren stinks on toast, but that's no reason to long for Lannan.
We'll get Lannan second time around.
Lets see how consistent Barksdale is with the high strike if Haren throws it.
What is the over/under for this inning in terms of pitches and runs?
I say 24 pitches and 2 runs. Hope I am wrong....
How do you k on 88 mph fast ball.
High K is being called... Lets see if Haren gets it...
"High K is being called... Lets see if Haren gets it..."
I hope Haren doesn't even try to throw upstairs...
Drew - totally agree... Don't think Lannan wanted to be here... If there ever was a P that I wanted this off season, it was Lohse... And every time he plays, I get envious...
Most know I don't care for Dan Haren as a National... But at this point, I just hope he pitches decently enough to keep us in the game...
The first inning could have been worst...
16 and ,0
Scouting report says throw inside i dont think so.
Ben Revere hitting .299 now. He started slow but really hitting well in the last month.
What a play by Desi. How isn't he an All Star?
At this point, I feel for Haren... I doubt he wants to suck.. And I do think he tries... But, he is just ineffective...
What i do like is that he didnt use the phantom injury as an excuse.... I gained respect for him...
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