Tuesday, August 20, 2013

Another blowout loss

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CHICAGO — Jordan Zimmermann insists he feels fine. There's nothing wrong with his arm, and the 95 mph fastballs he threw Monday night would seem to confirm that. And the right-hander says his neck, a problem earlier this summer, isn't an issue right now.

So, what are we to make of Zimmermann's performance over the last six weeks? After serving as a punching bag for the Cubs' previously punch-less lineup during an 11-1 blowout loss, the one-time ace of the Nationals staff finds himself in a legitimate, long-term funk.

On July 1, Zimmermann was named an All-Star for the first time in his career. He sported an 11-3 record, a 2.28 ERA and an 0.94 WHIP, all of which ranked among the NL's best. In eight starts since, Zimmermann is now 3-4 with a 5.30 ERA and 1.59 WHIP.

If he's fine physically, how does he explain the last six weeks?

"Just pretty much location," Zimmermann said. "I'm not hitting my spots right now. The fastball's up. I've got to do a better job of locating."
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86 comments:

William O. Douglas Loeffler said...

Looking at the pitchers tonight, it was hard to see much of a difference between them, even with my having seen so much of zimmermann. I think we often overestimate pitching match-ups. Baseball is very random.

Laddie Blah Blah said...

According to Ken Rosenthal, the Nats have already placed De Jesus on waivers.

Nats 128 said...

Laddie, are you joking?

Nats 128 said...

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/washington-nationals-david-dejesus-chicago-cubs-trade-081913

I guess you arent joking. Sounds like all the GMs and most of the fan base are wondering what Rizzo was thinking. Maybe as Buster Olney says it was just a mistake. If it was a mistake, a costly one!

Buster Olney‏ @Buster_ESPN
Could turn out to be that WAS acquisition of David DeJesus was just a waiver-claim mistake. Not really a fit...We'll see if they move him...

baseballswami said...

Well, that would be interesting.

Nats 128 said...

Looking at the current roster and how the players came here and who they replaced. 9 of the 25 players are new which is over 33% of the roster has changed which is enormous considering the Nats had the best record in baseball last year and none of these moves were due to injury.

Adam LaRoche Free Agent LaRoche
Dan Haren Free Agent Edwin Jackson
Fernando Abad Free Agent Sean Burnett
Rafael Soriano Free Agent Mattheus
Ian Krol Morse Trade Zach Duke
David DeJesus PTBNL Trade Bernadina
Chad Tracy Re-signed Tracy
Denard Span Trade Morse
Scott Hairston Trade DeRosa
Tanner Roark Promotion Henry Rodriguez
Anthony Rendon Promotion Espinosa

m said...

I see no point to Dejesus trade. I continue to be amazed at how this club is performing both on and off the field. Why Rizzo dismantled last year's team is beyond me?

At one point I had faith in Rizzo's management but I have serious doubts now. He is making too many mistakes. Notwithstanding the off years some players are having this team is weaker than last year's team.

Nats 128 said...

"m said...
I continue to be amazed at how this club is performing off the field."

What does that part mean?

JayB said...

Zim, R. needs to shut up....he is so uninspiring to the team. I know he has his money and his family now but could you care just a little about the sport that got you all that Ryan?

Nats 128 said...

Rizzo absorbed a big salary for Suzuki this year then was able to dodge his $8.5 million 2014 salary by making sure his vesting option didnt kick in and will only cost him $650,000. Rizzo appeared to be on the path of redeeming some poor salary decisions.

Rizzo is already on the hook for over paying Rafael Soriano which was a move at the time that nobody really understood since it cost Rizzo his 1st round draft pick. It still doesnt explain the big overpay.

On top of that Rizzo took on a Mendoza specialist in Scott Hairston and his 2014 salary obligation of $2.5 million while giving up a decent A ball pitcher.

Now Rizzo complicates things with a waiver claim of DeJesus that makes little sense. He traded for a player that wasnt needed and now is on the hook for a $1.5 buyout next year or his salary of $6.5 million.

I hear Theo Epstein next trade will be his bat boy to Rizzo for only $1 million. The kid is said to be great at applying pine tar.

rogieshan said...

If the DeJesus acquistion was a "wavier-claim mistake", why did the Nats agreed to a compensate the Cubs with a PTNL? The team could have just offered nothing to kill the deal, or force the Cubs to accept the claim without compensation.

Nats 128 said...

JayB, yes, his UVA education helped formulate the quote of the year! LMAO, huh, say what?

"It's frustrating," Ryan Zimmerman said. "But there's really no one way to look at it to figure out why it's happened or what's happened. Because if we knew, it wouldn't be happening. Baseball is a funny sport. You just gotta keep going out there and trying to get better and finish the season strong."

Nats 128 said...

rogieshan, your post makes to much sense. I think the logical answer is that Rizzo thought he was getting Jesus Alou.

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NatsLady said...

It seems like Davey isn't even bothering. When the game was 8-0, why not put in Tyler Moore to get a couple of at-bats?

Nats 128 said...

Natslady, once again you are allowing logic to take the place of Daveys superb in game management.

NatsLady said...

Twitter humor from a Mets fan.

metspolice.com ‏@metspolice 10m
The Mets will need to take at least two of three from Atlanta to have any real shot at the division.

baseballswami said...

I was saying last night that the handling of Tyler Moore is just atrocious. Is he our future 1b or not? Let's find out or trade him. ALR looks exhausted anyway. And he arrived with a hot bat, which is cooling off as we speak. Makes no sense at all. If the regulars are not doing anything, and they have had plenty of time, let the younger players show their stuff and gain experience.

James Joyce said...

Mark -- can we find out more about what Rizzo was smoking when he claimed DeJesus? Rumor is that he was trying to block a contender from getting the guy? Seems wacky.

ExposedinDC said...

Excellent point Swami... Maybe Daveys afraid ALR won't let him pet the cattle during this off seasons ranch visit if he benches him.

Don said...

On DeJesus, maybe Rizzo is banking that other clubs have interest in him to the point where he can quickly move the guy for something more special than he's giving to Hoyer?? $2.5M for 40 games of a back-up OF is pretty wacked.

m said...


Nats128 said

"What does that part mean?"

Nats I am referring to the questionable roster moves and signings.

mick said...

Bigcat


just read your posts...that is cool about Willie Horton . .I see your an AAU hoop dad too

mick said...

Rizzo wants nats to be the Cubs of the East

lol

Nats 128 said...

"m said...

Nats128 said

"What does that part mean?"

Nats I am referring to the questionable roster moves and signings."

Gotcha!

Once again the most questionable signing is of Rizzos new contract. Just when we thought this was a needed move Rizzo makes one of his strangest moves.

mick said...

clear regression in Nats... only 1-2 blow put low out losses in 2012 and more blow out losses in 2013 than in 2011
deterioration in franchise is clear

mick said...

Rizzo proving to be the bald headed stooge I feared he was

nats guy said...

To those of us who called this very early and were beaten up "How do you like it now".

William O. Douglas Loeffler said...

Remember the episode where Homer Simpson uses Dimoxinil?

Ghost Of Steve M. said...

Mick, I thought you liked the Rizzo extension. Unless Rizzo packages up DeJesus and LaRoche soon, this off-season will require some much needed creativity.

Nats106 said...

mick said...
Rizzo proving to be the bald headed stooge I feared he was

August 20, 2013 8:10 AM

Nyuck nyuck nyuck. Glad I missed the game last night. I had a blowout of my own at the Vienna Inn.

Holden Baroque said...

To those of us who called this very early and were beaten up "How do you like it now".

Speaking for myself, I still hate the Braves more.

NatsLady said...

11 blowout losses in 2012 (6 or more runs). 21 wins.

15 blowout losses in 2011,12 wins.

16 blowout losses in 2013, 12 wins.



Candide said...

I gave up last night at 4-0. Do I get the firsties prize? Not counting Cunegonde, who decided she'd rather go pay some bills than watch JZ struggling?

Yeah, Z stank last night, but even if he'd given up only 2 runs, they still would have lost, because these guys have zero plate discipline. Only smart AB I saw was Harper's first, where he served the ball into the opposite field as neatly as Wade Boggs or Derek Jeter ever did. Thing of beauty.

Surrounded by eight jerks swinging as hard as they could at anything in the same ZIP code as the plate. Was it my imagination or did Desmond swing at a throwover to first?

NatsLady said...

Dave Cameron
Can Nats Make Miracle Playoff Run?
"Even if the Nationals' offense doesn't get more hits in the next six weeks than it has in the first four and a half months, a simple redistribution of when those hits occur should lead to more runs and more wins. It probably won't be enough to catch the Braves, but the Nationals have enough talent on hand to make one final run. It won't be easy to run down the three NL Central contenders and potentially Arizona as well, but the Nationals aren't dead quite yet. If anyone is going to pull off a miracle comeback this year, it's probably going to be the team in D.C.”

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/mlb/rumors/post?id=6863

Candide said...

NatsLady said...

Dave Cameron
Can Nats Make Miracle Playoff Run?


Wow. I'd love to have what he's smoking, but I understand it's illegal in all 57 states.

Plus I swore after college that I'd never get that wasted again.

Laddie Blah Blah said...

"If the regulars are not doing anything, and they have had plenty of time, let the younger players show their stuff and gain experience."

Davey could, at least, platoon Moore and ALR. Moore could have a brilliant future, or not, but they should take the opportunity to find out ASAP. La Roche is not part of the Nats' future beyond next season, if that, and he has not justified his salary this year. I continue to not understand why Davey persists in pursuing losing strategies.

As for the De Jesus anomaly (claiming him off waivers and immediately placing him back on waivers) I have no clue. My BA in predicting what Rizzo will do is lower than Espinosa's BA in the minors. I prefer to predict what he will not do, and he will not pay $6.5 mn for a 4th outfielder next year.

He has a lot of work to do in the off-season, starting with Davey's replacement. It seems to me that Davey has stepped back and allowed Randy some leeway in the dugout. Could be that the decision has already been made, and Randy is getting his feet wet in preparation for next year. Or maybe it's just an audition.

I hope Ghost is right about trading ALR, although I don't know how Rizzo would package a deal to make it attractive to a any potential taker.

They are way out of contention, and by September a fork will be sticking out of Screech's tail feathers. Let the kids play. The vets have screwed up the whole year, with the notable exception of the rotation and the lion-hearted Jayson Werth.

Good luck Shark. They don't come any better, or more professional, or more athletic. Bernie proved you can be all of that and still not be able to play baseball. That is why it is the toughest team sport of them all. If there was any justice, he would have been a star.

The Real Feel Wood. Accept no substitutes. said...

Time to start calling him Ubaldo Zimmermann?

NatsLady said...

Dave Cameron
Can Nats Make Miracle Playoff Run?


It probably won't happen, but it's fun to read, and about all we have left--fantasies.

I think RZ is right. You can't tell with baseball. Sabean kept the World Champions together, they are in last place. Rizzo added a few pieces to an already solid team-- now below .500. Angels, Blue Jays...

There was no ONE reason, but there are a lot of reasons.



Laddie Blah Blah said...

"Only smart AB I saw was Harper's first, where he served the ball into the opposite field as neatly as Wade Boggs or Derek Jeter ever did. Thing of beauty."

I noticed the same thing. A 20-year-old kid has already learned what a 9-year pro has failed to learn by the age of 27.

I would not include Werth as one of the "eight jerks," though. He is the most patient and selective of the Nats' hitters, except, perhaps, for Anthony Rendon, who is as precocious in his approach as Harper.

NatsLady said...

This year, we (fans) believed before we were shown.

Next year, it will be more like 2012. Show me first, THEN, I will believe.

MJR said...

Hey folks, are there any Insiders here in Chicago for this series? If so, it would be fun to connect and say "Hi."

MJR said...

Oh, and last night's game sucked but it was kinda cool hearing the Cubs fans sing after they won. Just don't particularly need to hear it again...

Laddie Blah Blah said...

"There was no ONE reason, but there are a lot of reasons."

You could summarize with "everything that could go wrong, did."

These Nats still have a great future. The franchise is loaded with great young talent. Some of those kids on the GCL team with a season-long .800+ winning percentage will grow up, like Giolito, Bautista and Ward and, perhaps, some others.

The Nats are not LA. For all the criticism of Mike Rizzo, he has not saddled the franchise with long-term contracts for former All-Stars, like Hamilton and Pujols. He has paid big bucks mostly for short-term commitments, as he did for ALR and Soriano, and he has gradually restocked the farm system with younger guys who can be developed into the next batch of Nats stars. Even the DSL Nats are holding their own.

And someone remind me who built up the Nats' presence in the Dominican Republic? That investment is eventually going to pay off for the Nats.

baseballswami said...

Actually it would not have mattered a whole lot what the pitchers did - we scored once -- on a solo home run. And for those of you who "predicted " this -- congratulations. I can tell that you care a lot about being right. Does that comfort you during losses? You can attribute this season to anything you want. We did have some pitcher health issues, we have had some personnel changes, some things just did not work out, lots of people underperformed. It happens.

mick said...

Nats106


oh, a wise guy...moe larry the cheese

lol


Ghost

I do agree with extension...Im having doubts now

mick said...

As far as last night's game goes, as Archie Bunker use to say..."death, where is thy sting"

baseballswami said...

Interesting case with Jordan -- last year he was pitcher of the month and then faltered. This year he was phenomenal and chosen to be an all star - articles popping up about his private life. Makes me wonder if he cannot handle attention and lack of privacy. It's ok JZ - we can pretend to ignore you. But then again, even Verlander has had issues this year, Lincecum - former cy young winners. Dominant pitching is a ridiculously difficult thing to sustain with all the scouting resources out there to combat your stuff. Wondering if it's not the neck, but some late season dead arm. First it's the hitters,especially the bench , then the pen, sometimes the starters. Seems like we can never have all the planets align.

mick said...

Bigcat...had another memory on 68 Tigers.... Mickey stanley came out of no where and was almost the MVP of that series

mick said...

swami


good post...that is the whole key and where an energenic manager is needed to sort those things out

mick said...

MNF


great post on Reds in the 70's


Big red Machine!

mick said...

technically, Nats have scored 2 runs in last 18 innings and 3 in last 24

Ghost Of Steve M. said...

Laddie, $6.5 million is fine for a 4th outfielder if he's Michael Morse or that type of impact not DeJesus who's worth about $3 million given the playing time available but the 4th outfielder this team needs is a RH who can actually play defense and that's not Hairston.

That player needs to be a strict platoon with Denard but can play LF where you shift Bryce to CF.

That bench has to be blown up.

Ghost Of Steve M. said...

Laddie, on trading LaRoche I doubt it gets done in the next 11 days. Just wishful thinking on my part.

Theophilus T. S. said...

Most telling statement: "Some of them have a slow learning curve." Meaning, "I've got some guys who're dumber'n a bagful of hammers."

Memo to your children prepping for the SATs and filling out college application forms: "You might have to be smart to get into UVA but not necessarily smart when you get out."

I tried to tell people a few weeks ago there was a real chance none of the present Nats starters would be part of the 2016 rotation. Cumulatively the chances are at least one of them will stick around. But, individually, there is a good chance as to each of them the Nats will decide they're not worth paying to keep them around. Z'mann is making his case now.

SCNatsFan said...

And, with regards to the bench, with Davey leaving and a new manager coming in shouldn't he have some say in the roster? As Parcells said, "if you want me to cook you dinner you should at least let me buy some of the ingredients (or something like that)".

baseballswami said...

Have always heard Davey described as a player's manager but you could have fooled me. Never misses a chance to trash the players or reveal a confidence. I know NatsJack loves the guy, but I see very poor leadership qualities. I cannot wait to see what someone else can do with this team. They have a lot of talent but have been badly organized and managed from the start of ST. I hope we have a manager who is not the star in the room or a "character". I think they have needed more than funny stories and being called dumb.

Ghost Of Steve M. said...

SCNatsfan, I think Rizzo believes his Manager will manage the employees that are assigned to him. I always got that feeling going back to John Lannan's my guy statement.

Theophilus T. S. said...

DeJesus might be worth only $3MM given the "available at bats" but he'll probably fetch more than that on a one-year deal as a FA, because a lot of teams have coveted him over the past few years -- and he's two years younger than Werth.

Over their history the Nats have built their bench by dumpster diving (DeRosa, Nady, Stairs, Tracy, minor leaguers on non-negotiable contracts). While over-spending for so-called frontline "talent" (e.g., Soriano) they have insisted on buying their bench at Dollar General.

The starting eight is now so shaky they need to be willing to spend above the market, for guys (DeJesus?) who might be able to start three-quarters of the season if the bottom falls out for LaRoche, Span, et al. (What are they going to do if/when that guy at 3B morphs into Mark Reynolds?)

I would argue that, push come to shove, the option on DeJesus is not far out of line. Putting him back on waivers says only they don't want to have to exercise the option but they would do so rather than allow another team to sign him for $3MM (or in the vicinity).

Keep in mind that 7-8 teams passed on DeJesus before the Nats' claim rose to the top. Anyone who claims him now will likely be a bigger fish with better bait.

Ghost Of Steve M. said...

baseballswami, I think Davey is a motivator that believed in positive mental attitude and it went out the window after Game 5 and he was exposed. He tried to sell it again with his humor and World Series or Bust just like his Fire Me If We Don't Make The Playoffs in 2012.

It didn't work and his throwing players under the bus and falling asleep at the wheel is the ugly reminder along with the W/L record of the 2013 season.

Of course the poor personnel decisions and individual performances can't all be pinned on Davey.





c715e5d6-9d22-11e1-a89a-000f20980440 said...

For any other Insiders who happen to be in Chicago tonight, I will be sitting in the first row right behind the visitor's dugout on the aisle. I'll be wearing my usual shirt, so it will be easy to identify me--at least from the back.

ArVAFan

mick said...

a Bill Parcells type of manager is what these sissies need...

overall, this season has been a bust period.

Bright spots:

Rendon, Roark, Clip, Werth, Jordan...

I suspect...things may actually get worse with Rizzo next season..I am very unimpressed with him

mick said...

bottom line...the window for this starting pitching staff is 1-2 seasons....

mick said...

here is he proof on how poor Rizzo stacks up with the rest of the league.... explain how the Braves retooled this season, remember, last year many thought the Braves were in their twilight and the run of 90 plus wins a season was over.... how wrong they were...Braves are significantly better than nats today....that is all on the bald headed stooge

mick said...

sorry gang...i am just floored as to why both acquisitions Rizzo has made are from one of the worst franchises historically, whose team is 17 under 500!

mick said...

oops, 16 under 500, forgot..they kicked our ass last night 11-1

natsfan1a said...

One more day of hostess/sightseeing duties (yay), so maybe I'll get to watch some real-time baseball tomorrow. Probably not much, though, given the 8:00 start. Thursday is a day game, though, so could see that - if I get caught up with other stuff. Maybe I'll even catch up on posts and comments after that. Nah, probably not. Will try to hit the ground running with new posts, though. After tomorrow. If I'm not exhausted by then. I'm tired. Tired of being - wait. Who am I, Lili von Sht - but I digress. Later, folks. :-)

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

I remember frim the 1968 Tigers ream many people intentionally mispronounced Don Wert's name as Don Wart.

mick said...

natsfan1a


ha ha lol


Lili von sht...I love it

oh its true its true

lol

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

That is my hope for the Nats.

The records for 1977-1979 were high 80' low 90'.

over 11 seasons 10 very good to excellent ones. The second being mediocre.

This year the Nats have not been poir, they have been mediocre, just seems poor.

Lets follow the Reds model.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

We have had too many stretches like that.

mick said...

MNF

agree and your reds post was excellent!

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

$2.5-3.0 seems right

natsfan1a said...

Just a little comic relief, Mick. ;-)

mick said...

you made my day natsfan

mick said...

later...back to work now

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

What teams in contention need a fitst basemen? Closest in the AL is the Indians (though the BoSox could use one).

In the NL NONE of them

So there are limited trading partners

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

I like the dumpster diving analogy.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

Will be on the lookout.

Ivan Tuski said...

Seems like we can never have all the planets align-we did but that 2012

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

I was just checking the 1968 Tigers 102 wins.

Team batting average .235

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

I am going with Reds theory.

11 season run where season 2 was mediocre.

Ghost Of Steve M. said...

Mick, I'm adding Clippard, Ramos (when healthy) and Gio, Stras and JZim. Sure, each of those starters has had blowup innings but overall they are a great trio.

Biggest disappointments no longer includes Haren and I wouldn't even put in Soriano but I would say Espinosa, Storen, LaRoche and RZim and then Span's baserunning.

RZim is the team's 2nd best hitter behind Werth but Ryan is 80% of what he should be offensively and his defensive range is rated poor and arm is improving.

SCNatsFan said...

Braves went dumpster diving and got Carpenter.

Dont knock dumpster diving.

jeffwx said...

Does anyone know why they Dejesus on waivers ?

http://www.federalbaseball.com/2013/8/19/4638946/nationals-reportedly-place-david-dejesus-on-waivers-after-acquiring-him-from-cubs

D'Gourds said...

I just don't understand the DeJesus acquisition. Why did Rizzo immediately put him on waivers? If he really believed the Nats still have a chance for the playoffs (delusional), why did he wait until now to upgrade his bench? He screwed up with the waiver claim somehow, but I can't understand exactly how. I'm starting to lose a bit of confidence in Rizzo. Can someone explain why he would give up a PTBNL just to put DeJesus on waivers?

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