Monday, May 27, 2013

Game 51: Orioles at Nats

Photo by Mark Zuckerman / NATS INSIDER
The Battle of Beltways begins today at Nationals Park.
The Nationals and Orioles have been playing each other every year since 2006, but never like this. As part of MLB's new schedule this season, all geographic interleague rivals are playing each other four straight days in two cities. So the Battle of the Beltways begins in D.C. today and tomorrow, then shifts to Baltimore on Wednesday and Thursday.

The Nationals go into this series banged up. They were already without Jayson Werth, Danny Espinosa and Wilson Ramos. Now they're without Bryce Harper, sidelined today with what Davey Johnson said was diagnosed as bursitis in his left knee. Harper will probably miss tomorrow's game as well, then might be able to DH at Camden Yards later this week.

Gio Gonzalez gets the start, looking to continue his recent hot streak (1.29 ERA over his last three outings). He'll be facing right-hander Jason Hammel, who somehow has a 6-2 record despite a 5.37 ERA.

Plenty of updates to come from the ballpark on this spectacular Memorial Day in the nation's capital...

BALTIMORE ORIOLES at WASHINGTON NATIONALS
Where: Nationals Park
Gametime: 1:05 p.m. EDT
TV: MASN, MLB Network (outside D.C./Baltimore market)
Radio: WJFK (106.7 FM), WFED (1500), WTEM (980 AM), XM 183
Weather: Partly cloudy, 72 degrees, Wind 5 mph out to RF
NATIONALS (26-24)
CF Denard Span
2B Steve Lombardozzi
3B Ryan Zimmerman
1B Adam LaRoche
SS Ian Desmond
LF Tyler Moore
RF Roger Bernadina
C Kurt Suzuki
LHP Gio Gonzalez

ORIOLES (27-23)
RF Nick Markakis
3B Manny Machado
SS J.J. Hardy
CF Adam Jones
1B Chris Davis
C Matt Wieters
LF Steve Pearce
2B Yamaico Navarro
RHP Jason Hammel

UMPIRES
HP Phil Cuzzi
1B Tom Hallion (cc)
2B Ron Kulpa
3B Mike Estabrook

1:07 p.m. — And we are underway with a strike from Gio Gonzalez to Nick Markakis. Big crowd on hand, lots of red and orange in attendance.

1:13 p.m. — A 15-pitch top of the first for Gio, who did issue a two-out walk to J.J. Hardy but otherwise kept the ball from leaving the infield. Good stuff from the lefty to get this one started.

1:19 p.m. — And a 1-2-3 bottom of the first for Jason Hammel, who struck out both Denard Span and Steve Lombardozzi, then got Ryan Zimmerman to ground out. Scoreless after one.

1:26 p.m. — Quick note: You may have noticed Rick Eckstein is coaching first base today. That's because Tony Tarasco left to be with his wife for the birth of their child.

1:28 p.m. — Gio has issued a couple of walks in two innings, but that's all so far. Twenty-nine pitches (16 strikes) for the lefty.

1:35 p.m. — You know, Adam LaRoche is becoming quite a threat on the basepaths. And I'm only being partially sarcastic about that. He just stole second base, his second of the season and eighth of his career. And it certainly paid off here, because it allowed him to score moments later on Tyler Moore's double down the left-field line. Nats lead 1-0 after two.

1:47 p.m. — Here's Ryan Zimmerman's season in a nutshell: He had three grounders hit to him in the third inning. He made the two difficult plays flawlessly, but he misfired on a routine throw to second base for his ninth error. Well, it didn't cost the Nats this time. Still 1-0 heading to the bottom of the third.

1:54 p.m. — How about that, Gio doubles to deep left-center. Of course, he then was thrown out trying to advance to third base on a grounder right in front of him. Not very good baserunning there by the pitcher. Still 1-0 Nats after three.

2:15 p.m. — And the leadoff walk really comes back to haunt Gio in the top of the fourth. That opened the floodgates for a three-run inning, the big blow coming from Markakis on a two-out, two-run single. Just like that, the Nats trail 3-1 in the middle of the fourth.

2:29 p.m. — Make it 4-1 Orioles as Jones leads off the fifth with a double and late scores on Wieters' sacrifice fly. Craig Stammen now warming in the pen, probably to take over for Gio in the sixth. So cross him off the list of potential starters tomorrow.

2:36 p.m. — Well, even though Stammen is warming, Gio hit for himself in the bottom of the fifth. And he's back out for the sixth. Guess Davey really doesn't want to burn up his bullpen before tomorrow's game. Still 4-1.

2:47 p.m. — Another walk issued by Gio with two outs in the sixth, and he's done for the day. In comes Stammen. Meanwhile, the Nats still have one run off Hammel and trail 4-1. A reminder: They have yet to win a game this season in which they trailed by more than two runs at any point.

3:03 p.m. — The Nats get one run back in the bottom of the sixth, as Span triples and Zimmerman singles to notch his team-leading 24th RBI. Not bad considering he's only played in 37 games. That's a 106-RBI pace over a full season. But with a chance to do more damage to Hammel, Moore struck out, stranding two on with two out. So it's 4-2 Orioles as we move to the seventh.

3:33 p.m. — The Orioles add another run off Stammen in the top of the seventh, making it 5-2, and the Nats can't drive in a run in the bottom of the inning against Hammel. They're now 2-for-11 with runners in scoring position today, continuing a season-long trend. Still 5-2.

3:47 p.m. — Henry Rodriguez on for the eighth, bringing some serious gas out there. Unfortunately, he only poured that gas on the fire. So it's now 6-2 as the Nats are down to their final six outs.

3:57 p.m. — Drew Storen now pitching the ninth inning ... with the Nats down four runs. That tells you a little bit about the state of things right now.

4:06 p.m. — Bottom of the ninth. Nats need a miracle.

4:11 p.m. — That'll do it. Darren O'Day finishes off a 6-2 Orioles victory. The Nats fall to 26-25 and still can't seem to get themselves on any kind of prolonged hot streak.

165 comments:

Gonat said...

Caps Fan said...
"Gonat said...

Mark Zuckerman @ZuckermanCSN
Davey says 50/50 on who tomorrow's starter will be. Acknowledged could be someone not on current roster"

Why do you think they pulled Chris Young yesterday after just one inning?

May 27, 2013 12:09 PM
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Could it also possibly be because he threw 36 pitches in the 1st inning and gave up 3 hits, 2 walks and a HR with 3 earned runs?

As they say he's earned his 7.88 ERA.

tayo said...

No way its Crish Young. Thinking more of it possibly being Rosenbaum.

Drew said...

Young has had poor results, but if he is the pick maybe he'll do better in the majors, where his slow stuff can befuddle hitters.

Remember: John Lannan was ineffective in Syracuse last year, but had two very good spot starts for the Nats.

Drew said...

That said, I'd be glad to see Danny Rosenbaum get a chance.

Steady Eddie said...

Drew -- We all wish but I saw him in ST and he was no better there. Plus Rosenbaum is not on the 40 man which is why we almost lost him in the Rule 5 draft.

tayo said...

But Lannan wasn't as ineffective and he started picking it up just before he was recalled.

Gonat said...

A lefty starter may be a good idea.

A DC Wonk said...

baseballswami said...

Baseball can be a strange game. Hope Wonk has some nice oddities for us tomorrow just to reinforce that theory.

Thanks, Swami. I don't do this so much on weekends (I've noted in the past that most of my stuff is from "youcantpredictbaseball.com" and the baseball prosepctus hit list -- and they don't do on weekends), and so I am heartened you were looking forward, but apologize for the lame effort this morning:

- David Ortiz stole third. Second time this week. It's been about 17 years since he last stole third.

- How this for excitement -- Giants down 4-0 after five, tie it up; Rockies score 1 in the 10th, then Angel Pagan hits a two-run inside-the-park walkoff home run. (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2013_05_25_colmlb_sfnmlb_1&mode=wrap#gid=2013_05_25_colmlb_sfnmlb_1&mode=video)

- Matt Kemp was double-switched out of a one-run game.

Eugene in Oregon said...

Four of the first five hitters in the O's line-up have OPS+ numbers above 110, including Chris Davis at 203 (yes, over 200). Matt Wieters is at 96, J.J. Hardy at 83. Today's Nats line-up has three players with an OPS+ above 100: Ryan Zimmerman at 117, Adam LaRoche at 105 and Ian Desmond at 104. Gio Gonzalez needs to be at the top of his game today, then worry about tomorrow.

Eugene in Oregon said...

DC Wonk: Angel Pagan's HR was a thing of beauty. Someone once wrote that the triple was the most exciting play in baseball, but an inside-the-park HR takes that up a notch -- then add another notch for the walk-off.

Drew said...

Tayo:

You're right -- Young has been much worse in Syracuse than Lannan was last year.

It's hard to justify promoting a pitcher who has allowed 28 earned runs in 32 innings, unless they're just looking for a major league pedigree.

MicheleS said...

GYFNG! AT THE PARK AND GOING TO ENJOY! THANKS TO ALL WHO HAVE SERVED!

Gonat said...

MicheleS said...
GYFNG! AT THE PARK AND GOING TO ENJOY! THANKS TO ALL WHO HAVE SERVED!

May 27, 2013 12:52 PM
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A Wooo-hoooo for that!

tayo said...

@Drew

And its not like we can't easily find a spot for Rosenbaum on our 40 if we really needed to. I think I'll rather have the deliver duo of Duke and Stammen as opposed to Young.

phil dunton said...

With the Nationals only offensive weapon on the bench, how in the world are we going to score even one run. We should get used to Harper not playing because that's the way it is going to be until he learns how to play the game in an intelligent manner. Otherwise, he'll be a regular member of the DL.

Get Your Re(n)d On said...

I have to confess. Suggesting they pulled Chris Young yesterday so he might pitch tomorrow was not an original thought from me. I heard it from Dave Jageler when he was on 106.7 around noon today. That guy is clueless I guess.

Nats 128 said...

Mike Boredick with Carpenter. I know MASN is trying to save money going with 1 broadcast but I doubt either fanbase can like the arrangement. Hammel throws 2 high in the zone to Span and they won't show pitch trax.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

At the game. Why is Eck coaching 1st?

Nats 128 said...

Even though Chris Young hasnt shown anything this year hes probably still better then Zach Duke if you believe in ERA. One is almost 8 ERA and one is almost 9 ERA. Any 3 ERAs that Rizzo can bring up.

Drew said...

Caps Fan:

Dave Jaegler is not clueless, and no one's suggesting you are, either.

The speculation underscores our host's observation that there's no obvious alternative in Syracuse.

EmDash said...

Gio walks. Oh dear.

The strategy with Hammel should be to work the pitch count, right? Not great, Orioles bullpen is scuffling badly. Do more of that, Nats.

David Proctor said...

Eck is coaching 1B because Tony Tarasco is out expecting the birth of his first child.

jeffwx said...

MNF...Tarasco with the wife and new baby

Nats 128 said...

Sure, show the pitch trax on a Desi K.

jeffwx said...

Tyler!!!!!

Nats 128 said...

TylerMo gives Phil D that run!

jeffwx said...

Echoing Peric/Tayo,
Is it time for Brown yet

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

tymo looked good on the swing, Desi didnt.

Nats 128 said...

jeffwx to take place of who. Tracy. Stair lasted until the end of July.

David Proctor said...

That was an impressive play by Zim.

Nats 128 said...

What a play by Ryan Z!

Nats 128 said...

There goes Gios no hitter.

Nats 128 said...

Now Ryan Z gives it back. Oh no.

David Proctor said...

Well we've seen both the good and the bad of Zimmerman this inning.

Nats 128 said...

Is there any ways to tell which base hes made the throwing errors to. I recall 3 throwing errors to 2nd base.

David Proctor said...

Gio gets out of it. Good job Gio.

Drew said...

Whew. Dodged a big one there.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

After a great throw zim air mails one to second. Gio pitched 7 extra pitches because of it.

Nats 128 said...

Manassas, 7 stressful extra pitches.

David Proctor said...

Gio is a legitimately good hitter now.

Nats 128 said...

Again the Nats pitchers shwoing they can hit better then some of the Nats position players.

Nats 128 said...

That would have been a nice time for a ambush bunt by Span. Thats not his deal swinging for the fences.

Nats 128 said...

Not smart baserunning by Gio and that cost Lombo a hit.

Drew said...

I cannot understand the refusal to bunt Span there.

I know you don't want to risk injury to the pitcher, but the play would have been to first.

Nats 128 said...

Drew, exactly my point and Gio scores on that play as a baserunner on 3rd.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

Span's non bunt cost Nats a run. Soon as he flew to enter, I said Lombo will ground to the middle and we will be out a run.

Davey hates small ball. With this team we need small ball.

Nats 128 said...

Hammel throws Zimm a fastball down the shoot and Zimm missed his 2 run homer.

David Proctor said...

There's a lot of hindsight in here. Span has been pretty hot lately. You want him to hit, not give up the out. It didn't work out.

Nats 128 said...

It seems that small ball with Desis bunt created a bunch of runs yesterday.

Nats 128 said...

Leadoff walk. Nada good idea.

EmDash said...

Gio. Walks. Stop that.

Drew said...

David:

I know Span's been hot -- I just wanted to assure he'd advance the runner.

Here's a disturbing stat: The entire Orioles team has only 18 errors. Zim and Ian have combined for 16.

Nats 128 said...

FP talking like a turncoat when hes sitting with these Oreos.

EmDash said...

Boo. The Nats had Davis, damn it.

Nats 128 said...

Leadoff walks. Say no more.

Nats 128 said...

Difference so far is walks, smart baseruning and clutch hits.

David Proctor said...

Ugh. The O's can hit.

Nats 128 said...

Gios worst case scenario to Chris Davis as a leadoff man is a HR and the game would be tied 1-1. Now look at it.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

Gio lost command. Walks first guy on 4 pitches, then up1-2 on 8 batter and then tries to get him to fish instead of blowing him away evebtual single. Then more bad pitching.

He is more inconsistent so far this year than Haren.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

mcCatty always to slow to the mound.

David Proctor said...

Alright well if we somehow hold them to 3, we have a shot. Holding the O's to 3 would be good.

Drew said...

Yes, the Orioles can hit.

They also advance runners, by tagging up on fly balls and bunting players into scoring position.

EmDash said...

Not clutch hitting. The O' s just have a lot of good hitters in general. And Gio got frustrated and left pitches up, which good hitters will take advantage of.

What I don't understand is their hitting approach to Hammel. Make the guy work a little.

David Proctor said...

The #Nationals secured outright waivers on RHP Yunesky Maya and assigned him to Triple-A Syracuse.

EmDash said...

Gio has been near-perfect in May before today, with an ERA around 1.

David Proctor said...

Jesus Christ. Navarro hits a bloop that sets up a big inning, now Davis does.

EmDash said...

Good job by Suzuki.

Nats 128 said...

Proctor, its called BABIP. You put bat on ball and amazing things happen.

David Proctor said...

Hammel is going to go 9 at this rate.

Gonat said...

As I said earlier, if Karns is pulled from his start.....Karns was pulled.

EmDash said...

The O's bullpen sucks. This approach to hitting Hammel makes no sense.

David Proctor said...

Looking forward to seeing Karns if it is indeed him.

EmDash said...

Who would get sent down or released for Karma to be brought in?

And would he really be an upgrade on Duke? I'm dubious...

David Proctor said...

At the least he would be a guy these hitters haven't seen and could possibly confuse them. Duke has tons of tape.

Gonat said...

Karns was scheduled for today and last pitched on 5/22. Harrisburg saying he will be pushed to tomorrow as the starter. I guess we will see.

EmDash said...

Huh, Stammen today. That would definitely support the idea that Duke isn't our starter.

Oh, Desi.

mick said...

Gio is simply having an off day and has NO OFFENSE to bail him out. This is depressing because I am convinced the so called experts and prognosticators do not know crap about MLB. The O's have rebuilt their team under the radar, and Angelos is having the last laugh. I will still take the Nats starting pitching over the O's,BUT, with the exception of Harper, there is not a single Nats I will take over an O' starter in the field. Reality sucks. Final analysis, O's management very under rated, Rizzo, I hate to say,, very over rated. i will take Buck over Davey is a second. This is so sad. I hope I am wrong, but O's will sweep us.

Gonat said...

And this from Kilgore:

@AdamKilgoreWP
This supports the idea that Chris Young will be called up to start tomorrow. Davey can pair his lefty long man, Duke, with a righty starter.

Nats 128 said...

Mick, you need a chill pill buddy. The Oreos have no pitching. Remember that.

mick said...

Nats 128... theoretically you are right, in reality will we hit?

Nats 128 said...

Mick, thats the $100 to $127 million dollar question.

Nats 128 said...

A 2 run jack em yack em would be nice.

EmDash said...

Different strategies, Mick. O's are a classic AL team, with a great offense and poor general pitching. Nats are a classic NL team, pitching and defense-oriented.

The O's came in to today one game better than the Nats in the standings. Both have serious problems.

Nats 128 said...

Desi got in to a bad habit in the Cubs series of expanding his strike zone. Thats what happens when you have weak hitters behind you and you show you are a aggressive swinger----swing at this.

Jane Elizabeth said...

Tyler Moore has no business even stepping foot on a MLB field at this point. Hamel grooved that pitch and Moore still missed it by 3 feet.

Nats 128 said...

Emdash isnt there the saying Great pitching beats Great hitting.

Gio didnt pitch great.

mick said...

Looking at standings, the Wild Card is coming out of the Central...do the Pirates fold again, I doubt it. This means Nats have to win the East. Horrible at bat by Moore.

David Proctor said...

Well Stammen got a groundball. It just found a hole.

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mick said...

can they keep this at 4-2... then maybe there is chance

David Proctor said...

Another groundball that finds a hole.

Nats 128 said...

Navarro doesnt check his swing and the Nats dont get the call. Cost them a run.

SCNatsFan said...

Bad call on the check swing and the o's cash in

Jane Elizabeth said...

The Nats are embarrassed about ditching Morse for Tyler Moore so apparently we are going to be subjected to these types of pathetic at bats all year. Tyler Moore can't run, he can't field and he can't hit at all. Baseball history is full of guys who hit ten homers as a rookie and who are then out of the game in two years. The Mets have a guy like that now. This cannot continue with Moore and Espinosa, unless the Nats are already writing off this year.

Nats 128 said...

Oreos have very lucky BABIP. Ticks me off actually.

mick said...

let's add another ground ball finds a hole to the Excuse List. I will bet anyone Nats will be 500 going into Baltimore and 2 under when they go on the road. I really do not know how the Nats are built to win for the next decade?

mick said...

O's are a better team period, this pains me to post it

David Proctor said...

Yep, just like we were gonna be .500 or under and in third place after the Phillies series.

mick said...

we will see....

mick said...

Nats 128... I have said all along the Nats 2013 season would be a step back year, the whole key is what Rizzo does in finding the pieces on offense in 2014/ i believe in krama and dC sports has the worst... I fear Rizzo will botch it

phil dunton said...

In 78 at bats, Tyler Moore has struck out 30 times.

David Proctor said...

You say it "pains you to see it" yet you say it over and over and over and over and over. It must not be too painful. You say we're going to lose every single game and every single series.

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SCNatsFan said...

I haven't given upon Moore or espi but I do believe a couple of weeks seeing lesser arms in the minors couldn't hurt

phil dunton said...

Despite Peter Angelos, the Orioles have assembled a pretty good team.

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jeffwx said...

Uh....Zimmermann is pitching tomorrow...Even the O's will have a hard time hitting him.
Nix Corey Brown call up by me if Berni hits like that.
Also Harper in the lineup hopefully by Wednesday...
And we haven't gotten to the O's bullpen yet.
Hope Springs eternal

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UnkyD said...

Abad has quite a bag of tricks...from mid-70s curve to mid-90s four-seamer...

David Proctor said...

Shark stranded at second. That's unacceptable.

mick said...

enough of this, back to the Nats... they are having a long season and I fear they may not win 80, injuries are a factor and it is just one of these season. I just hope Rizzo knows what the heck he is doing in 2014

jeffwx said...

I can feel your pain Mick, but we have some offense that is coming to life...Currently, Harper seems critical to the offense right now.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

Risp Oriols 4 for 11 NATS 2 for 11.
Surprise surprise.

Jane Elizabeth said...

Chad Tracy and Tyler Moore seem to be decent guys and all, but I am sorry, that is just not enough. Both of them need to be off the squad. Moore is striking out even more than last year and simply isn't providing any value at all to the team. It is not fair to the team or the fans to allow them to go out there and provide negative value game after game after game.

mick said...

I really thought Moore was going to be star this season, boy was I wrong. Tracy just played over his head last season and is at the end of his career. Historically, this reminds me of the 1970 Nats with old Lee Maye, he hit 280 plus in 1969 and in 1970 hit 220, he was an old man

mick said...

For those who say, Moore needs time, Fred Lynn and Jim Rice as rookies and 2nd year players did not time, I rest my case

jeffwx said...

Tyler has skills that should start to pay off, IMHO

jeffwx said...

This leads seems insurmountable...Bring in Kobernus...

DJB said...

What I can't understand is Zimmerman's lack of power. Bob Carpenter said that the Nats are 1 and 6 when Harper is not starting. That's on Zimmerman. He's the $100 million man. He's paid that money to carry the team through stretches, but all he seems to do is hit singles. The obvious holes in the lineup are due to Rizzo. I think this has been a terribly mismanaged organization. The front office needs to be cleared out. We have a number of organizations that could provide a new front office. I know the Lerners want to win.

mick said...

don't you love Henry...jeesh!!!

Jane Elizabeth said...

Where are Tyler Moore's skills? He is slow and a mediocre fielder. He had a slightly negative WAR last year and this year his WAR is already well above one.

He showed power in Double A and Triple A, but poor on base percentage. There are tons of guys like him in the minors. He was a low draft pick and he isn't all that young.

mick said...

DJD... best post of the day, as painful as it is

David Proctor said...

Zim's power will come around. It was the same thing last year. He had 2 HRs at this point last season. Some of you who say how mismanaged this organization is must have forgotten the 2005-2010 Nationals.

mick said...

but the Nats could only go up after 2010 no matter who the GM is, also, You and I could have drafted Stras and Harper, Nats had back to back worse records in MLB

David Proctor said...

Yeah, we could've both drafted Stras and Harper. Could we have traded for Gio Gonzalez? Drafted Jordan Zimmermann? Ross Detwiler? Traded for Tyler Clippard? The team is well built, it's just underperforming.

DJB said...

I see no indication that Zimmerman's power will come around. I'm guessing he hits between 15 to 20 home runs and will have an OPS of 750 That is unacceptable, and Rizzo gave him the monster contract. We need to clear him out.

Jane Elizabeth said...

I think management was a bit arrogant in just jettisoning guys like Barnett and Morse who were key last year. I will admit however, that I too overestimated Tyler Moore's ability to fill in for Morse. Morse had shown he could hit major league pitching. Moore has been downright awful since about August of last year. Tracy has not been good since last May. I don't think anyone expected the Shark to be this bad, however, or Lombardozzi.

David Proctor said...

Nobody saw an indication last year either, DJB. The exact same things were being said.

mick said...

The Morse decision is going to haunt this team for years. Knowing Werth has injuries issues, trading Morse was just arrogant?? In bull pen, why not why not at least have kept Gonzales or Burnet in bull pen?

Jane Elizabeth said...

Any team would have drafted Strasburg and Harper, assuming they could sign them. Machado is almost as good as Harper and we will see about the high pick kid pitcher the Orioles are just testing out.

David Proctor said...

Gonzales has been awful this season and Burnett has spent a lot of time hurt. It's quite possible Rizzo didn't feel comfortable with Burnett's back.

mick said...

William O. Douglas Loeffler

scary, i posted without seeing your post. I think you and i are spot on

mick said...

David Proctor said...
Yeah, we could've both drafted Stras and Harper. Could we have traded for Gio Gonzalez? Drafted Jordan Zimmermann? Ross Detwiler? Traded for Tyler Clippard? The team is well built, it's just underperforming.

I admit, Gio was great move by Rizzo and so was Suzuki at mid season. I agee about Zim, Det and Clip

BUT... where is the depth this team was suppose to have?

mick said...

NatsJack in Florida Morse has nobody around him so the comparison is not fair

mick said...

Nats 128... you bring up Lannan, i forgot about that. That is a whole new discussion

David Proctor said...

Michael Morse has a negative WAR this year.

David Proctor said...

Adam LaRoche has a positive WAR. Span has a very positive WAR. You don't put a guy facing a contract year who has proven he's a start on the bench. You'll never convince a free agent to sign with you again if you do that.

Jane Elizabeth said...

I like Span, but I honestly think that deal was a mistake. His OBP is nothing to write home about. He has very little power. His stolen base numbers are mediocre, currently below .70.

He is a good fielder but due to his presence, Harper keeps getting moved all around instead of being allowed to learn how to play one position, which is the opposite of what we were promised. I think Morse in left, Harper in center and Werth in right was far superior to what we have going on now.

Span needs to be getting on base no less than .370 of the time to make this deal at all decent. I don't have much confidence in that right now.

mick said...

Span was a great move, I am saying Morse should not have been traded period . It was foolish to trade him, he could have complimented Span and everyone else

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

Rizzo drafted Storen with 10th pick. Could have taken Trout.

Imagine Trout and Harper batring back to back?

David Proctor said...

"Span was a great move, I am saying Morse should not have been traded period . It was foolish to trade him, he could have complimented Span and everyone else"

It's not that simple, Mick. You can't place a proven starter on the bench in their contract year. You'll create tons of animosity and good luck trying to sign a free agent here after that. Rizzo did right by Morse by trading him and that matters.

UnkyD said...

Methinks Mick found the key to the cooler....

mick said...

given Werth's agea nd injuries, it made no sense to trade Morse. The could have kept Morse and traded Tracy??

the Storen drafting look good when he had 40 plus saves. Now, I think Drew is finished and Rizzo is going to take a lot of heat on the whole Storen-Trout deal

JaneB said...

I used to believe we could come back from almost anything. But now I feel like I did two years ago: glad fir baseball, I still love my guys, and when we get in a hole we are cooked

David Proctor said...

Mick, are you actually reading what I'm saying? You keep repeating yourself, not actually responding. KEEPING MORSE ON THE BENCH WAS NOT AN OPTION.

Jane Elizabeth said...

I don't think Morse was poorly treated at all. He left with class and dignity. I just think he would have done us a lot more good this year than Seattle, as would Willingham. I think WAR is a tool but nothing more. On a weak hitting team like the Nats, guys like those might provide more utiltiy.

mick said...

Dave... I don;t think you would have had that animosity on a team that felt they were close winning a WS. I do think they would have resign him oncea free agent depending on how 2013 worked out

jeffwx said...

I think Tyler has the potential to be a great hitter. Two years with 31 hrs...Hate looking at stats like WAR for a very part time player like Tyler has been.

Agree with Mick, get Span, since we need a leadoff guy who can play outfield so well but keep Morse.
I would bring Corey Brown up now, put Espi on DL, esp with the recurrent injuries with Harper/Werth.

mick said...

but Why? and given Werth's wrist injury last year and his age, he would not have been on the been on the bench, this what confuses me about the teams thinking... they should have factored injuries into the decision

Jane Elizabeth said...

Storen didn't work out. We had a chance to deal him a couple of years ago and almost did, and I remember being thrilled that we kept him. In some parallel universe, we dealt Storen and ended up winning the World Series last year.

The guy actually isn't walking people. His K/BB is excellent, which means he is either extremely unlucky or is just very hittable, or both, most likely, but I think he will never be a great reliever. That ship has sailed, I fear.

EmDash said...

Every time the Nats lose a game, some fans say it's time to clean house...Zimm's not going anywhere. He's still building up strength in the shoulder, and that's likely to come. So long as he gets on base at a good clip (the team's main problem) I don't care how he does it.

The team needs to do some tinkering with their bench, and adjust their hitting approach. But I think they have most of the right personnel.

David Proctor said...

All of Storen's advanced stats are very good. He's had horrible BABIP. That will come down to Earth.

Also, the trade you're thinking of is Storen for Grienke. Of course, Jordan Zimmermann and Ian Desmond were also involved in that trade so...

jeffwx said...

Morse was usually the odd guy out esp in 2010/2011 but always played nearly full time by June because of injuries. This year much the same playing for Werth/Harper and even ALR at times. You can count on it.

Jane Elizabeth said...

I must have missed the 62 homers by Tyler Moore. Last time I counted he had 11. Oh, you mean in the minors, where he also struck out all the time and had a low on base percentage. Well, some things haven't changed. He still strikes out a lot and he has a microscopic obp to go along with his poor speed and fielding.

I have no idea why people seem to believe in this guy. There are tons of guys who simply can't hit major league pitching.

Jane Elizabeth said...

21 runners for the O's today. 8 for the Nats. We kept it close, all things considered.

EmDash said...

Literally every team in baseball wish they'd drafted Trout. Even the Angels picked someone in the slot before him. No one guessed he'd be this great. It's hard to blame Rizzo for missing in that case.

As for winning the WS with no Drew...who would've been in instead? Clip, right? He was pretty hittable in that game too.

jeffwx said...

And Morse can DH and play 3b/ss infield in a pinch....but rarely. He played 3b with the Nats once in 2010.

mick said...

no post

EmDash said...

Morse would be comically awful at shortstop.

jeffwx said...

William, even with 11 HRs playing parttime with 230 or so AB, aint bad.
Nats need Power, I'd like to see more of Moore right now...I'm glad he's getting a chance.

Jane Elizabeth said...

I have nothing against Moore personally. He seems like a good guy in the clubhouse. I just don't know what the timetable is. It is hard for me to remember seeing contending teams like the Nats and Braves sending guys out to start games who are hitting .150 or less. We all know that something has to drastically change, but today, Moore was missing badly on big fat fast balls in the zone that looked like batting practice pitches. That doesn't bode well if he can't hit those types of pitches.

Manassas Nats' Fan said...

Correct 26 teams had shots and passed and except the pick of Strasburg I am pretty sure the other 25 would say they wished they took him.

EmDash said...

Morse has good hitting numbers, and is giving away the value he's providing through offense with poor defense. He's a net negative player so far.

Also, when evaluating his numbers, they can't just be transferred over. He'd be facing different pitchers here. And AL West pitching is pretty poor outside of the Rangers. That makes it easier to put up good power numbers.

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