Sunday, July 31, 2011

Trade deadline day [updated]

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The Nationals got to celebrate after snapping a six-game losing streak.
July 31 has arrived, and it promises to be a furious countdown to the 4 p.m. trade deadline. Though the Nationals have already pulled off three trades this week -- acquiring Jonny Gomes and dealing away Jason Marquis and Jerry Hairston -- the big one could still come today.

It's no secret Mike Rizzo is desperately seeking a center fielder. And it's no secret Minnesota's Denard Span is at the top of his wish list. The only remaining question is whether Rizzo and Twins GM Bill Smith can agree upon the names it would require to get this done.

Smith, of course, wants Drew Storen. And probably more. Rizzo is reluctant to deal Storen, though willing if he feels like he's getting something significant in return. As best as I can tell right now, Span alone isn't enough to trade away the 23-year-old closer.

In the meantime, perhaps the Nationals' best fallback option in case they can't get Span is no longer available. The Astros traded Michael Bourn to the Braves this morning for four players: center fielder Jordan Schafer and minor-league pitchers Brett Oberholtzer, Paul Clemens and Juan Abreu. That's a pretty big haul for Bourn, who by all accounts would have a lower asking price than Span.

So we'll just have to wait and see what happens. I'll be updating this thread throughout the day with updates until the 4 p.m. deadline arrives, so please check back here. I'll post today's game thread in a little while...

12:36 p.m. -- We do have one roster move to report, though it doesn't involve a trade. Left-hander Atahualpa Severino was called up from Syracuse and Yunesky Maya was optioned back to Syracuse. This is really about giving Davey Johnson an extra bullpen arm today, which he needs. Severino had a 3.00 ERA in 23 games at Syracuse, striking out 24 while walking 13 in 21 innings. Maya's strained oblique apparently isn't bad enough to require a DL stint, so he's heading back to the minors. As for trade talk, nothing new to report. Drew Storen has been in the clubhouse all morning, obviously anxious to find out what's going on. Otherwise, it's business as usual.

1:04 p.m. -- By the way, Brian Bixler is making his first career start in center field today. That makes him incredibly the 27th different center fielder the Nats have used since 2005. Hmm, kind of makes you wonder if Mike Rizzo has considered trying to acquire someone who could hold down that position long-term...

1:39 p.m. -- As today's game gets underway -- you can follow along with my colleague Chase Hughes on the game thread -- there are reports out from both Scott Miller of CBSsports.com and Tim Brown of Yahoo! Sports that the Span-Storen deal is looking less and less likely. Miller says that the Nats so far have been unwilling to include Storen in the deal, which would not surprise me given what Mike Rizzo has been saying about him all along. Doesn't mean that might not change before 4 p.m., but I think it's safe to say that Rizzo is REALLY hesitant to trade Storen.

2:04 p.m. -- For whatever this is worth: Steve Lombardozzi (whose name has come up in these talks) has been posted in Syracuse's lineup for tonight's game. Doesn't mean he couldn't be scratched at any point, but further evidence that nothing has been consummated yet. Also, for those wondering: Roger Bernadina has not reported to Syracuse yet. Guys get 72 hours after their demotion, and I'm told Roger is supposed to join the Chiefs tomorrow (again, assuming he's not traded).

2:25 p.m. -- A major-league closer has been traded to a contender. Just not the closer from this local major-league team. Heath Bell going to the Rangers, according to Ken Rosenthal of FoxSports.com.

2:33 p.m. -- Whoa, major goof by Rosenthal (who is normally one of the very best in the business). It's not Heath Bell to the Rangers. It's setup man Mike Adams instead.

3:00 p.m. -- We're heading to the sixth inning here at Nationals Park, the game still scoreless. Drew Storen (along with everyone else in the Nats' relief corps) remains seated in the right-field bullpen. One hour to go.

3:30 p.m. -- Thirty minutes to go. Joe Christensen of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune says the chance of the Twins completing any deal now are "bleak." Meanwhile, with the Nats taking the lead in the bottom of the sixth, this is shaping up to be the kind of game in which Drew Storen will be needed.

3:38 p.m. -- Storen, if you're wondering, remains in the Nats bullpen and is curently starting to stretch and prepare as though he's going to pitch the ninth inning.

3:55 p.m. -- Here comes Tyler Clippard to pitch the top of the eighth, with the Nats up 2-1, as Storen prepares to warm up for the ninth.

4:00 p.m. -- And the stroke of 4 p.m. has arrived, with no trades to report ... for now. Though it sure looks like the Nats haven't done anything, remember that any deals only need to be sent to MLB headquarters by 4 p.m. It can take a good 15-30 minutes for word to trickle down.

4:05 p.m. -- Storen is now warming in the pen, which he would not be allowed to do if he had been traded. Here's my new story on the deadline passing without any deals.

77 comments:

BartCrashley said...

PLEASE, not Storen.....especially not for a 27 year old outfielder with concussion issues

joemktg said...

Span's concussion looms large over this deal, and it's an inescapable factor. Without the concussion, a Nat's LT problem in the field and in the lineup is solved. But how do you factor the uncertainty of the concussion into the value of the deal?

And not certain that ATL gave up a big haul: Schafer hitting is below average, and according to MLB Trade Rumors: "None of the three pitchers are top 50 prospects, but they did rank ninth, 26th, and 27th respectively for the Braves on Baseball America's preseason rankings, and the team has a highly-regarded farm system." It was a haul, but I think could've been met by the Nats. Good deal for ATL.

DCGuy7 said...

i would have taken Bourn at a similar cost to our organization (similar players, ie Bernie plus minor league pitching) vs trading away Storen to get this done. we should be looking to trade where we have a surplus (ie, Desmond, Bernie, Livo) not where we'll create another gaping hole for ourselves (closer)

Anonymous said...

Nobody the Astros received from the Braves for Bourn approaches the status and potential of Drew Storen...

Schafer is kind of a failed CF prospect with minimal upside who is currently on the DL, pretty much a younger Roger Bernadina...

The 2 starters were 7th and 8th round picks currently throwing in Double A with decent numbers, but have no where neard the upside of the studs that the Rockies got from the Indians for Ubaldo...

And Abreue the reliever looks like a Henry Rodriguez type... but 2 years older and yet to crack the big leagues...

I don't really see this as raising the bar for a potential Span trade...

Ghost7

Wally said...

Re : Rizzo's trades of Hairston and Marquis. Despite some unhappiness here, best I can tell, 'trade pundits' almost unanimously positive on the trades for us. Including the Marquis trade.

Detwiler - I kind of forgot about him, but shouldn't he be the first guy jumping in to the rotation now? I wonder what it means that Davey is talking about Milone and Peacock, but not Ross.

Joe - I agree. Seems like only time can definitively show that you are over a concussion, which is why I say it should wait until the offseason. But my guess is Rizzo isn't sure it will be there in the offseason, so feels pressure to take some
risk now.

Bourn v. Span - I don't think that you can underestimate the 3 more years of control for Span, and cheapness of his contract. Those are very valuable things in today's world, so the price will not be the same even if they were exactly the same player (and I think Span is better).

Another_Sam said...

Rizzo has shown me that he's no better than anyone else at spotting sleepers in A and Double A or on big league pine. [Anyone familiar with the efficient markets hypothesis?] So I say give it a rest; let's go with these guys that we've come to recognize -- recognize their strengths and weaknesses, that is. And hope the the much touted farmhands come around.

Richard said...

Storen for Span wouldn't be a deadline issue, I don't think. Neither team is in the playoff hunt, realistically, so they could trade anytime ...

Exposremains said...

but not until winter because neither would clear waivers

BinM said...

I know Span has gotten a lot of traction on numerous boards lately, but I personally hope Rizzo doesn't pull the trigger on this if Storen is a 'must-have' demand from MIN.

Anonymous said...

Rizzo hopefully knows some of the lyrics to "The Gambler"

He said, "Son, I've made my life
Out of readin' people's faces
Knowin' what the cards were
By the way they held their eyes
So if you don't mind my sayin'
I can see you're out of aces

He said, "If you're gonna play the game, boy
You gotta learn to play it right

You've got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
Know when to run
You never count your money
When you're sittin' at the table
There'll be time enough for countin'
When the dealin's done

Now every gambler knows the secret to survivin'
Is knowin' what to throw away
And knowin' what to keep
'Cause every hand's a winner
And every hand's a loser

Grandstander said...

Richard, I don't know about you, but I'm not exactly psyched to have Rick Ankiel as my everyday CF for the next 2 months.

What I have read on the deal is that Storen for Span is locked in and the impasse is coming on the other players we need to throw in. Rizzo is probably balking at including Lombo.

This is the same team that we traded 2 months of Matt Capps to for Wilson Ramos. They're asking for the moon right now and I just hope Rizzo doesn't make a desperation move.

Steve M. said...

Richard said...
Storen for Span wouldn't be a deadline issue, I don't think. Neither team is in the playoff hunt, realistically, so they could trade anytime ...

July 31, 2011 11:03 AM


Certainly not the Nats. It seems more a reason to be a trader.

Better to wait for the off-season after you see how the Draft signings go and how Free Agency goes.

Anonymous said...

Twins are 6 games behind Detroit in the central... it would be difficult to leap frog 3 teams to get into the lead, but not impossible enough for their division rivals not to attempt to block any significant trades they might make...

Ghost7

Anonymous said...

This is not a negative post. Just realistic. What do you guys think of Espi? He is scaring me with his alarming rate of K's and low batting average throughout his Major League career so far. He's had 2 mini hot streaks last year at call up and middle of this year surrounded by miserable average and K's. Do you think he should cut down on that home run uppercut swing and sacrifice a little power for average?

LoveDaNats said...

As much as it would be great to have Span, you'd be paying for his potential. No one knows how the concussion issues have affected him. In return, you'd be giving up a certainty. Drew Storen has already proven his worth as a closer.
If the deal calls for more pieces on this end, it only makes the deal less attractive for the Nats. Run, Rizzo. Run from this deal.

Steve M. said...

Playoff calibre teams have to show their players and fans that they are not sitting on their hands at the trade deadline. The Nats are not a playoff team right now.

phil dunn said...

Regarding the Nats dearth of leadoff hitters, Lombardozzi has a career minor league BA of .300 and a career OBP of .371. Bring him up, put him at 2B and move Espinosa to SS. Use Desmond as trade bait if he has any value. Next years outfield could be Harper, Morse and Werth. Problem solved and we still have Clip and Storen.

NatStat said...

If Span is at the top of Rizzo's list, he needs a new list!

Again Rizzo's problem is that he fails to understand medical issues. Like LaRoche's shoulder and Marquis' arm, Rizzo probably thinks that aspirin 3X/day will make Span's concussion better!

There's a reason why the 3 previous CFs were traded before Denard Span.

Steve M. said...

Talking about Minor League studs that maybe are duds is Derek Norris. Every position player had hits in the AA game last night except for Norris who went 0-5. Bryce Harper went 2-4 in the game.

Norris dropped his BA down to .208 and his OBP dropped to a crazy .366. You have to wonder about Derek's future. He is very patient at the plate but I hear he is too patient and looking past hittable balls. He hit .179 in June and other GMs aren't asking for him in trades any more. That concerns me.

This is why trading Major League players for Minor Leaguers is such a gamble.

Steve M. said...

phil dunn said...
Regarding the Nats dearth of leadoff hitters, Lombardozzi has a career minor league BA of .300 and a career OBP of .371. Bring him up, put him at 2B and move Espinosa to SS. Use Desmond as trade bait if he has any value. Next years outfield could be Harper, Morse and Werth. Problem solved and we still have Clip and Storen.

July 31, 2011 11:23 AM


Phil, that may be the June 2012 outfield and that depends on a healthy LaRoche. I want to see if Rendon can be in that mix too.

The Nats have plenty of options to go with unless Rizzo trades away those options.

I don't like the idea of moving Espinosa to shortstop and I don't think Rizzo does either, just a feeling I have. I'm not sold on Desmond but the team has time with him unless they sign Jose Reyes as a Free Agent.

Steve M. said...

The Houston Astros may lose 110 games this year. I think they are looking like Carlos Lee and a bunch of AA guys now.

Anonymous said...

NatStat said...
Again Rizzo's problem is that he fails to understand medical issues
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Absolutely. And that's just one of the ways that Rizzo can be incredibly short-sighted. Has he thought of who will be our closer for the rest of the season (and possibly beyond) if he gives up Storen?

Mark'd said...

SteveM, the Orioles aren't far behind the Astros for the #1 pick next year although Hunter may help their starting rotation. The 0's gave up 12 in the 1st inning yesterday. I remember when the 0's started the season 5-0 and their fans were talking playoffs.

Wally said...

Looks like Coffey is traded. Don't know who or where (Kilgore tweet)

Steve M. said...

Yep, Todd Coffey is packing up.

Steve M. said...

Wally, thanks for the source on that. Kilgore will get his hand slapped for just seeing that Coffey is packing his locker up.

Wally said...

Steve M - is that how it works? Pretty interesting.

Well, maybe not, tho. Severino up, Maya to Syracuse

DCGuy7 said...

kilgore now says it was bad info - no coffey deal

Wally said...

By the way, I wonder when we are going to see Wilkie? I know it is a 40 man thing, but it seems like he deserves a bullpen look-see sooner rather than later.

Also, I am curious to people's view on Detwiler. I made a comment in another thread that may have been new posted, but shouldn't Ross be first into the revised rotation? Curious that Davey talks about Milone and Peacock, but not Ross as starter. Maybe Severino frees him up for that?

Wally said...

One more btw: I find this tweet by Heyman hilarious.

SI_JonHeyman :#yankees don't like wandy's contract, or necessarily his pitching. but they know they need to do something.

Steve M. said...

Wally, they aren't supposed to disclose unofficial observations like that like they are TMZ.

For all we know, Coffey is moving lockers or afraid of Werth's dog!

Steve M. said...

Supposedly, Coffey is getting ready just in case. That's why you don't send that out.

JaneB said...

It's late for the roster being posted. Getting nervous on my drive outside the radio/tv reach of Nats news. Having to check on FREQUENT news stops....errr... rest stops.
Severino up? What happened to they want to see Milhone and Peacock sooner than later?

Wally said...

Steve M - ah, makes sense.

Well, looking forward to watching JZimm. Hopefully he turns it around today. Pretty sure he isn't going any where!

Steve M. said...

Wally said... By the way, I wonder when we are going to see Wilkie? I know it is a 40 man thing, but it seems like he deserves a bullpen look-see sooner rather than later.

Also, I am curious to people's view on Detwiler. I made a comment in another thread that may have been new posted, but shouldn't Ross be first into the revised rotation? Curious that Davey talks about Milone and Peacock, but not Ross as starter. Maybe Severino frees him up for that?
July 31, 2011 12:11 PM


I like your idea of Wilkie.

Davey is a smart man. I know a lot of people think he isn't. You didn't see Coffey, HenRod and Burnett for a reason. It was a must win.

Detwiler can be a very good reliever. You saw it last night ramping up to 95 to 96 MPH with movement. He was very good last night and his only blemish was when gave up a hit when the ump missed a 3rd strike call and then after that the batter got a hit.

Davey needs 3 guys to depend upon in the bullpen. He has Det, Clip and Storen. Matteus has been ok.

Coffey, HenRod, Burnett have been about as dependable as the departed Gaudin. I would place HenRod on the DL to bring up Wilie.

JaneB said...

If someone gets traded in the middle of the game, do they finish? Or do they get snatched from the dugout or (please, no!) bull pen?

Depot Master said...

This is rather exciting. I'd rather see Desmond to TB for Upton - both guys with high upside who are underperforming on their current teams and not appreciated by the fans. Desmond fits the TB style and Upton is, well, Upton, and has long been a favorite of Rizzo. We know the skills are there with Upton - just a matter of getting his head on straight. Lots has been said about the Nats clubhouse. That's why I want players like Storen and Lombo on this team. Good baseball people with good attitudes. Perhaps Lombo comes up and rubs off on Upton.

Steve M. said...

Maya is going back to the AAA possibly because they didn't want to DL him and his twinge to his side wasn't a pulled muscle.

So is Gorzo back in the starting rotation for Marquis?

Anonymous said...

@ Depot Master said...
This is rather exciting. I'd rather see Desmond to TB for Upton - both guys with high upside who are underperforming on their current teams and not appreciated by the fans. Desmond fits the TB style and Upton is, well, Upton, and has long been a favorite of Rizzo. We know the skills are there with Upton - just a matter of getting his head on straight. Lots has been said about the Nats clubhouse. That's why I want players like Storen and Lombo on this team. Good baseball people with good attitudes. Perhaps Lombo comes up and rubs off on Upton.

July 31, 2011 12:28 PM


Rizzo is bad enough without your ideas. Glad you aren't our GM. If Desmond had a year left on his contract, then you would be trading same of same I would agree. Nats control Desmond for 4 more years. He has improved defensively and is slumping like just about everyone else on the Nats. A shame he keeps getting picked out.

Anonymous said...

Re: being traded in the middle of the game, don't they leave the field (or dugout) immediately? Seems that's what I'd heard happened to Jimenez (Rockies) yesterday -- he pitched only the first inning?

Anonymous said...

The Rays would hang up the phone and delete the Nats number if Rizzo offered Desi for Upton. That's laughable.

Anonymous said...

@JaneB: They are pulled out of the game, dugout, bullpen (I'm with you on the horror)right then. Just happened with Pence and Ubaldo Jimenez. Jimenez pitched one inning and was then pulled from the game and told he'd been traded.

sjm308 said...

Jane - roster up
Bixler leading off in CF
Gomes in the lineup once again as he searches for the first hit as a national (curse of Stairs??)
Can only hope the good Zimmermann appears back at Nats Park.

I wanted Span over all the other CF candidates but did not realize how serious the concussion thing might be. There are always risks,( hell, Storen could get hurt today) but if the concussion thing is over and he has full clearance he is not that big a risk. He has had two excellent years in the majors, is hitting .290 and has had over 10 triples each year. He plays excellent CF and is under a fair contract for the next 4 years. I would not move Clippard to closer and don't think Davey would do that either. My guess is Mattheus or maybe Wilkie up from the minors. I just want to over. I will root for them no matter what moves are made or not made and I will not call for anyone's head but it makes for great dialogue.

Go Nats

Depot Master said...

Why is it always Anonymous people that call out others? While Desi may be under team control, consider two things - check baseballreference.com to see that even in a non-slump year his OBP has not been tremendous. Also, given that TB had asked for Desi in that trade and been told no, I don't think they'd hang up the phone. It's not always a matter of what you think your guys are worth - it's just as important what THEY think your guys are worth. Also a matter of team need. TB doesn't need both Upton and Jennings. They do need an every day SS.

NatStat said...

@ sjm308 and Denard Span

No question that Span has put up some great pre-concussion stats in the past 2 years.

But, both Derek Norris and Justin Morneau have had 'medical clearance'.

Check out their current 2011 stats---all they need now is 'baseball clearance'.

sjm308 said...

NatStat - great point and that is why I am not jumping up and down and screaming about making this trade - still, you have to admit, its intriguing.

If Span plays out positively, Harper does what everyone thinks is possible, Strasburg comes back dominant, Zimmermann continues his improvement, we resign R Zimm and Werth just settles in to his past numbers, Ramos gets better, Espinosa gets better,wow, I better stop there and I haven't even talked about the minor league arms of Desmond. Look out Phillies!!!!!

Jeeves said...

Generally, the concussion thing is never over. Ask another twin-Morneau. It would be ludicrous to trade Storen for Span.
And Wally, I wonder too about Deitweiler. I would like to see him in the starting rotation. It's difficult to understand some of the moves (or non moves). But maybe it'll all come out in the wash.

sjm308 said...

"or" Desmond

sjm308 said...

I actually like Desmond in relief as long as its not every 4 or 5 days. This is what the Rays did with Price when he first came up and he gradually moved into a starting role. As of right now, Detwiler, like Maya has not been able to carry things past 4 or 5 innings. Leave him where he is and let him hit 95/96 for an inning or two and get his confidence in the majors. Can't have enough lefties in the bullpen.

sjm308 said...

man, a really bad typing day - obviously I meant Detwiler

JaneB said...

Thanks for the info on the mid-game snatching. Someone at the game is gonna keep an eye on things, right?

dj in Fl. said...

It would not break my heart to finish the day with Clip and Storen still here.

JaneB said...

Thanks fir the update, Mark. I look forward to "really reluctant" becoming "really, REALLY reluctant" to trade Storen.

sjm308 said...

Man, two threads to follow at once, not sure I can handle it but I will try
thanks Mark and Chase

Exposremains said...

I know nobody wants to trade Storen but who's going to be our lead off and center fielder? Please don't say Bernadina..

moved from the game thread said...

Mark Zuckerman said...
sjm308 said...
Mark: Will there honestly be a 4 pm deadline? If trades are in the making, will they allow the teams more time to work things out or does it just shut down at 4:00?
------------
Good question. All trades must be filed to MLB headquarters by 4 p.m., no later. But it can take several minutes for the news to trickle out. So really, from our perspective, it could be 4:15 or later before we know for sure whether anything has happened.

FYI for everyone: I'm updating the trade deadline stuff on that running thread. If possible, let's try to keep all trade-related comments on that thread, and keep game-related stuff here. Just makes it easier for everyone to keep track of the different topics.
July 31, 2011 1:37 PM

sjm308 said...

This is not really a trade deadline topic but Mark just posted that a player has 72 hours to report. I am guessing that this has been discussed before and probably not worth discussing now but how tough must it be to have to take care of housing, travel packing etc when you are moved back and forth? I had not thought much about that, but no wonder players are excited to get to the majors and hopefully stay in one place.

dj in Fl. said...

Exposremains said...
I know nobody wants to trade Storen but who's going to be our lead off and center fielder? Please don't say Bernadina..

I do not know, but with the other teams going for other centerfielders first, maybe there is a bit more of a problem here. Span was rated as the best available, but may be the last one standing. Rather than overpay, lets go for Upton with Desi and minor league player

Exposremains said...

I wouldn't mind desmond for upton. I think desmond is easier to replace than storen.

Mark'd said...

DjinFl, for the near term Bernadina is a good stop gap. Nobody believes he is the long term answer.

dj in Fl. said...

I am fine with Bernie as the stop gap. I actually wanted him to grab the opportunity he had and end it all. Maybe this little trip down and back, if he is still here, will inspire him.

dj in Fl. said...

Ok, it is time for JaneB to head by the team store, get one of those little bats, and cover the back door to the pen. If anyone from Rizzo's staff shows up, tap the bat in your free hand and tell them you'll send one out. Then give them Burnett.

Anonymous said...

DESMOND: lets dump this empty-headed, punch and Judy hitter now!!

Oh, yes, he hustles. So What? Hustle does not equate to good hitting.

DUMP HIM ande DUMP HIM NOW

Mark'd said...

Hey Anon, Desmond in the 2 hole can hit. It's Espinosa who can't hit now. Should we dump him?

D's Nats said...

The last time they were desperate to fill a position it was first base, and they wound up signing LaRoche, which turned out to be unnecessary. So if they don't get Span, it may not be the worst thing.

dj in Fl. said...

Hey annon,
Quit being so rude and hateful, it is Sunday after all.
I like Desi and only have him as a trade chip because we have an excess headed this way. Will any be better? Only time will tell.
I'll take his hustle and attitude over lots of other short stops every day.

nationals7 said...

Is Livo in the dugout? I haven't spotted him & he's always out front cheering.

Anonymous said...

@Mark'd
Yeah, no kidding. Didja see his double?

JaneB said...

Just pulling over for another news stop, as I listen to the game on MLB app. Hilarious, dj. If I were at the game, I would take up my post, as you direct.

But now I am really worried about Livo. He should be on the rail watching now.

Trust me. said...

Jane, relax. Livan ain't going nowhere.

Hunch said...

When was Zimm's last dinger?

JaneB said...

I'm at a point in my drive where I go out of access to my iPhone. So I'm pulled over again to make sure I hear that Clip and Store both pitch, that we win, and that Trust Me lives up to his name.

dj in Fl. said...

@JaneB
Didn't mean to do any directing, but knew who could get a job done!
6 mins. to go

Steve M. said...

http://twitter.com/#!/jonmorosi/statuses/97754731799257088

So nothing on Span by any teams. I wonder why....

Seems a lot of teams doubted him. Hope Rizzo doesn't cave in the next 2 minutes.

Why you no trust me? said...

like I said...


Mark Zuckerman said...

Guys, I really wouldn't worry about not seeing Livo in the dugout. Because he's tomorrow's scheduled starter against the Braves, he's charting pitches all game. Sometimes, he would do that from the clubhouse, watching on TV. I haven't heard his name come up at all in trade talks.
July 31, 2011 3:54 PM

dj in Fl. said...

I am fine with no deal here.
Now lets start finding out what the kids in AAA have.

JaneB said...

Trust me, I won't doubt you again.

I hope this crowd really cheers Storen as he takes the field. Wish I were thereto join in.
Soooo nice to share this with you all. Thank you!

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