Monday, October 25, 2010

And then there were two

Got home last night after a fantastic weekend in Chicago of artery-clogging food, a re-acquaintance with the Northwestern University campus in Evanston, a heart-breaking loss to Michigan State, lots of walking up and down Michigan Avenue and a random run-in with Barry Svrluga and his Washington Post colleagues at the Marriott. I don't know if the groans we heard around downtown Chicago yesterday afternoon came from Bears fans upset at another Jay Cutler interception or from all the Redskins writers trying to figure out what they'd done to deserve covering what must have been one of the sloppiest NFL games in a long time.

Let's get caught up on the weekend's other developments...

The World Series, of course, is set. It'll be the New York Giants facing the Washington Senators in a rematch of the epic 1924 Fall Classic that brought this town its lone MLB championship. OK, so I can't imagine many people in New York or Washington are feeling much attachment to their former teams right now. Though it's worth noting that despite playing in San Francisco for 53 seasons, the Giants have yet to win a World Series on the West Coast. And the Rangers, of course, are making their first-ever appearance in the Series after 50 seasons as a franchise (the first 10 in D.C., the last 40 in Texas).

You've surely heard by now that the Rangers' clinching of the AL pennant leaves only two remaining MLB franchises that have never been to the World Series: the Mariners (who debuted in 1977) and the Nationals (who debuted in Montreal in 1969). I know plenty of you have no interest in embracing Expos history as part of Nats history, but facts are facts. This franchise has been in existence for 42 seasons and it has not yet appeared in the Fall Classic.

It used to be that plenty of franchises were lacking a World Series berth on their resumes, but a lot of teams have gotten over the hump in the last decade: the Diamondbacks in 2001, the Angels in 2002, the Astros in 2005, the Rockies in 2007, the Rays in 2008 and now the Rangers in 2010. As much as everyone likes to complain about the dominance of big-market clubs like the Yankees, Red Sox and Phillies, there's actually quite a bit of parity in baseball right now.

Which, I suppose, should provide some semblance of hope for Nationals fans who desperately want to experience what fans from so many other cities have experienced in recent seasons. Are the Nats anywhere close to reaching the World Series, or even the playoffs for that matter? No. But the state of the sport right now does offer a better chance for franchises like this one to make the leap than it did a decade ago. Had the Nats come into existence in 1995 instead of 2005, I think it would have been even more difficult to build a winner.

If and when the Nationals ever get there, it will be thanks to the progress of their best home-grown talent. Several of those prospects are still playing baseball in late-October, whether in the Arizona Fall League or in various winter leagues across the Caribbean...

Bryce Harper appeared in his second AFL game on Saturday, serving as DH and batting eighth for the Scottsdale Scorpions. The 18-year-old went 2-for-4: He singled to right, beat out a grounder to third, lined out to third and struck out swinging in the Scorpions' 6-1 win over the Phoenix Desert Dogs.

Teammate Derek Norris homered in that game, his second in six AFL appearances so far. The 21-year-old catcher, who hasn't played above Class A, hasn't looked fazed at all by the higher level of competition in Arizona. He's batting .316 (6-for-19) with four extra-base hits, six RBI, five walks, a .480 on-base percentage and a 1.269 OPS that ranks third in the entire AFL at this early stage of the season.

Other Nats prospects in Arizona...

Michael Burgess: 6-for-24, one double, four RBI, three walks, eight strikeouts.

Stephen Lombardozzi: 6-for-24, four doubles, two RBI, four walks, two strikeouts.

Sammy Solis: 6 2/3 innings, five earned runs, six hits, four walks, four strikeouts.

Brad Peacock: 6 innings, four hits, one earned run, one walk, 12 strikeouts.

Cole Kimball: 5 innings, three hits, one earned run, one walk, five strikeouts.

Adam Carr: 4 innings, two hits, one earned run, two walks, two strikeouts.

And in various winter league action...

Yunesky Maya made his first start in the Dominican Republic for Escogido yesterday, tossing five shutout innings, allowing three hits while striking out eight in a win over Licey. Maya didn't allow any baserunner past second.

Danny Espinosa is 1-for-9 with an RBI, three strikeouts and a stolen base in two games for the Leones de Ponce in the Puerto Rican winter league. Chris Marrero is also playing for that team and is 3-for-9 with a double, an RBI and two strikeouts.

And finally, Byron Kerr of MASN and Francis Rose of Federal News Radio are hosting a weekly Nats show this offseason called "Nationals 360" and were kind enough to have me on for a few minutes during their latest episode to talk about Mike Rizzo's contract extension. You can download the entire show here.

47 comments:

Uncle Atom said...

Looking forward to seeing a lot of Giants jerseys at Nats-Phillies games next year.

Sunderland said...

"I know plenty of you have no interest in embracing Expos history as part of Nats history, but facts are facts. This franchise has been in existence for 42 seasons and it has not yet appeared in the Fall Classic."

There's no arguement that facts are, indeed, facts. But facts can also be utterly irrelevant to the general population.
The fact is, a tomato is a fruit, but is treated like a vegetable every day by untold millions of Americans.
The fact is, the Nats franchise includes the history of the Expos and yet this is fairly irrelevant today to most people and most Nats fans. And this will only become increasingly more irrelevant over time.

It's hard to not get excited about Harper, about the prospect that he could be wearing the curly-W in 2012 all year long (well, after the obligitory delay to early June).

World Series-less said...

"You've surely heard by now that the Rangers' clinching of the AL pennant leaves only two remaining MLB franchises that have never been to the World Series: the Mariners (who debuted in 1977) and the Nationals (who debuted in Montreal in 1969)."

I grew up in the Seattle area, and became a superfan of Mariners' baseball after the 1995 season (their first playoff appearance!). And now I live in Washington, D.C., and am a season ticket holder of the Nationals. I really know how to pick my teams!

Jenn Jenson said...

Mark, I initially had the same thought as you ... remake of 1924, except that it's not. The 1924 Senators are the Twins.

N. Cognito said...

World Series-less said...
"I grew up in the Seattle area, and became a superfan of Mariners' baseball after the 1995 season (their first playoff appearance!). And now I live in Washington, D.C., and am a season ticket holder of the Nationals. I really know how to pick my teams!"

Any chance you'll be moving to New York?

Water23 said...

Mark,

I agree there is parity but interestingly enough these 5 teams have missed the playoffs every year since at least 2007. It is a little embarrassing to be lumped in with these franchises!

2010
Baltimore - GB30
KC - GB 27
Seattle - GB 29
Wash - GB 28
Pitt - GB 34
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2009
Baltimore - GB 39
KC - GB 20
Seattle - GB 10
Wash - GB 34
Pitt - GB 28.5
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2008
Baltimore - GB 28.5
KC - GB 13.5
Seattle - 39
Wash - GB 30.5
Pitt - GB 23
===
2007
Baltimore - GB 27
KC - GB 27
Seattle - GB 6
Wash - GB 16
Pitt - GB 17

Maybe we should focus on not being one of the laughing stock/cellar dwellers. We need to add some good FAs or else homegrown talent like Zimmerman will be glad to take Yankee/Bosox money on '14.

Sec3StillStrikingOnMySofa said...

It's true, 1995 would have been a particularly tough year to start an MLB team.

Sec3 But It Builds Character said...

I'll see your Mariners, and raise you Cubs, Giants, and Nats.
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I grew up in the Seattle area, and became a superfan of Mariners' baseball after the 1995 season (their first playoff appearance!). And now I live in Washington, D.C., and am a season ticket holder of the Nationals. I really know how to pick my teams!
October 25, 2010 11:27 AM

Section tree on da sofa said...

"Got home last night after a fantastic weekend in Chicago of artery-clogging food..."

Remember, you hafta be able ta hit yerself in da chest hard enough to re-start your heart.

hondo69 said...

Mark,

Just a slight correction: the expansion Senators played here from 1961 through 1971 (11 seasons), while the Rangers just completed their 39th season in Texas (1972-2010).

I join many other ex-Senators' fans still living here in the Metro area in congratulating them for making their first-ever World Series, especially by beating the hated Yankees.

natsfan1a said...

Saaahsage...

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Remember, you hafta be able ta hit yerself in da chest hard enough to re-start your heart.

Anonymous said...

@Water23

Embarrasing indeed and we will continue to be embarassing especially if we do not re-sign Dunn, get a CF and a #1 and #2 starter in the offseason. I vote for a English Premier League style system that would relegate us to a sort of AAAA until we win that division and get ourselves out. At least Baltimore, is on the right track with a dynamic manager in Buck Showalter, who knows how to build a team from within and win.

Sam said...

I always found it puzzling that the teams', fans', and media's first reaction to winning the A/N LCS is "We're going to the World Series!" How about, "We just won our league's championship! We are at the pinnacle of the baseball universe!"

Honestly, each league is a separate entity (which makes interleague play even more dumb - imagine the NFL playing games against the Arena Football League twice a year). That's exactly the analogy, though. The National League and American League champions have been named. The important part of the Major League Baseball season is over with. Imagine after the Super Bowl, the NFL played the champion of the Arena Football League. That's exactly what the World Series is. It just so happens that the United States has two extremely competitive leagues, both of which are talented enough to be known as "major" as opposed to "minor."

A DC Wonk said...

"'Honestly, each league is a separate entity (which makes interleague play even more dumb - imagine the NFL playing games against the Arena Football League twice a year)."

Not at all. Besides interleague play, there are trades between the leagues and there is only a single players union. Just as importantly, the draft assumes it's one league (first pick goes to the worst record, regardless of league). Career records take both leagues into account, and so on and so forth.

NatsJack in Florida said...

And what planet dropped Sam out of the sky on us?

Sam said...

Besides the draft, all of the other stuff doesn't matter. The draft is just an agreement between the two leagues to disperse the talent between the two leagues evenly.

Have you never seen people take into account Ichiro's Japanese stats?

Honestly, to make the World Series relevant, Bud Selig needs to do one thing: fully integrate the leagues. That is, they play each other more than, what, 12 times per year.

You know there was a boycott in 1904, right? The New York Giants' owner decided not to let his team play in it because he felt the American League was inferior and not worth playing against. Plus, after winning the National League, his team's season was over. So, what is so different about it now? MLB is only one entity legally. Competitively, they are no more one entity than is NPB in Japan. Hey, free agents can go play there as well.

Furthermore, is every union forced to be comprised of only one organization's workers? Aren't there large farmers unions or factory unions? Do they all work for the same farm or factory?

NatsJack in Florida said...

I'm sorry. I don't remember 1904. Were there any unions then?

And there are more than several Yankee and Red Sox fans that believe the same thing today about the American League vs. the National League that the long dead owner of the Giants believed back then and somehow, the games go on.

I prefer relevance.

N. Cognito said...

Sam said...
"Blah, blah, blah, blah..."

TWICE!

Lots of bandwidth, wasted on nonsense.

NatsJack in Florida said...

Well said, N. Cognito....

DCGuy7 said...

the Nats season is over, nonsense is all we got left to keep us warm through the winter.

NatsJack in Florida said...

NatsJack in Florida .... HELLO!! Warm is not my problem.

JD said...

Nats Jack and N.Cognito,

Sorry guys; there is lots of merit to what Sam says. All of the sudden a Team which is built on the concept that a non defensive player is in the heart of their lineup can't use that player in half the games and a team which does not have such an entity has to create one; this is how you decide a 'world' championship?

The championships have already been won and the 2 champions have already had succsesful season; what's left is a glorified exhibition series. This is why inter league play is also nonsense.

Also guys; learn how to disagree with someone without being insulting.

NatsJack in Florida said...

If you're going to argue the DH rule, then I'm with you 100% but, fortunately, baseball is much more that a DH. And to say the two leauges are comparable to the NFL and Arena League Football is beyond laughable.

And who's been insulting?

N. Cognito said...

I will point out nonsensical ramblings when I see them.
When I do it, call me on it.

NatsJack in Florida said...

And you do it well. And with out being insulting, I might ad.

Josh said...

The NL and AL compete for the same talent base, resources, and audiences. They share the draft, trade with each other, play against each other (interleague play), are represented by many of the same agents, share merchandise, money, websites, and more. Player salaries are roughly commensurate between the two leagues. The talent gap exists but is getting smaller every year. The key difference between the two leagues is a single rule that didn't even exist back in the day. How does this turn the World Series into a "glorified exhibition series"? Both teams are trying their hardest to win, with money, fame, and hardware on the line. Some players' careers are built on how they do in the World Series. That's not an exhibition game. Just because you don't feel like watching AL baseball doesn't change that fact.

NatsJack in Florida said...

And words from another intelligent being. Well said, Josh.

I rail against the DH rule but enjoy watching both leagues play. While my preference is now and always will be the National League, I do not vilify AL teams for having the rule.

Harper_ROY_2012 said...

This could be an epic World Series where The Freak and Cliff Lee could match up 3 times against each other if it goes 7 games, that would be awesome!!!

I have no rooting interest for either team but would love to see Vlad Guerrero get a World Series ring after toiling on so many years in Montreal, he reminds me a lot of The Hawk.

Richard said...

It started slow but gradually the history of the old Senators of Griffith-Johnson-Cronin-Goslin-Killebrew etc. and the struggling Frank Howard Senators and even those sometimes potent Expo teams became interesting. The great murals at Nationals Park help. That's a history from 1901 to the present with a couple of years of overlap, plenty of interesting stuff.

N. Cognito said...

NatsJack in Florida said...
"And you do it well. And with out being insulting, I might ad."

My kids do it to me all the time. They laugh and make fun of me.
"Dad's rambling again."

Sec4onHisSofa said...

I'd like to see the Giants put one on the board for San Francisco this year. This Giants team ain't exactly dynasty material. Don't know when they'll be back!

Doc said...

Mark, in your rundown of players in the Fall/Winter leagues, I didn't see Flores' name. Is he playing racquet ball in Miami with Livo?

natsfan1a said...

Dynasty, schmynasty. Those guys are all home setting up their tee times now. I'll have what sec3 is having (i.e., go Giants).

Sec3MySofa said...

HEY!! Get the hell off my couch!! I was here first!

Anonymous said...

A couple of years ago I went to a Tulsa Driller's (AA Rox) game. A Tulsa pitcher blew up two promising innings with a couple of 3 pitch strike outs. I then politely shared my views of pitchers as hitters with the folks I was sitting with (season ticket holders and close friends). One lady was a relation of the Boyers (Ken and Clete)and a real fan and student of the game. I mistook her silence during my brief sermon for agreement. Later in the game another Drillers pitcher got a hit and drove in a run. I found out my ramblings were nonsensical when she called me on pitchers as hitters. It was hilarious. I have since given up on the DH and gotten true religion--NL baseball. There is nothing like summer nights, friends, and baseball. It's the best. fpcsteve

natsfan1a said...

Yeah, yeah, whatever. Just pass me the peanuts and Cracker Jacks, bub. :-)

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Sec3MySofa said...

HEY!! Get the hell off my couch!! I was here first!

Sec3AcceptNoSubstitutes said...

NOT YOU! "Sec4onHisSofa" is horning in on my estilo.

He ought to pay royalties, at least...

still on the sofa said...

which is not to say you can just couchette avec moi whenever...

Sec3MySofa said...

that said...

Sam has a point, he's just about a hundred years too late in making it.
The two leagues did used to be in direct competition, of course. And there was a players' union back in 1890 that tried to run its own league for a year (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Players%27_League). But I would argue that once they installed a commissioner, they became one entity for practical purposes. The DH thing is a red herring.

Sec3MyHummBaby said...

But the World Series was, in fact, the exhibition he's talking about. It hasn't been that within living memory, practically, but there was a time.


(wow, the captcha was 'hothevy')

natsfan1a said...

Oops, my bad. I should have known. The real sec3 is inimitable.

Couchette, maybe, but not coucher. Seeing as how we're both spoken for and all... :-)

One another note, there was a time when the All-Star game was just an exhibition. Not that I'm complaining, seeing as how we've got home field advantage this year and all...

(Paver? That's the best you can do, Captcha elves? Sheesh.)

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Sec3AcceptNoSubstitutes said...

NOT YOU! "Sec4onHisSofa" is horning in on my estilo.

He ought to pay royalties, at least..

Mark Zuckerman said...

Doc said...
Mark, in your rundown of players in the Fall/Winter leagues, I didn't see Flores' name. Is he playing racquet ball in Miami with Livo?


I can't find Flores listed on anyone's roster in Venezuela, the D.R., Puerto Rico or Mexico.

JayB said...

More of the same on Flores....lots of talk from Rizzo and Nats but it does not match up with reality. Rizzo clearly said he would be playing winter ball and was cleared to play.....yet he doe not play.......He is done.

Doc said...

AWOL. So much for getting ready for ST. I serched the Winter Leagues too--figured I had missed somein'

Thanks for the research!

Da Bears is finished! Nice that they lost while the Nats Guy was in town!

Sec3MyHummBaby said...

I don't usually duplicate posts, but under the circumstances ...

Hey BOBO -- this one's for you:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J2WdcW0ZY4

Sunderland said...

Don't come to any Flores conclusions yet. Winter leagues can generally add players at any time. Flores could be planning on joining a team and getting 6 weeks of time in prior to spring training.

Anonymous said...

Hey, the Nationals/Expos may not have a WS appearance, but by golly Washington, DC, does! To hell with the Twins....those banners fly in Nats Park! BTW...heard it somewhere that Minnesota does not recognize those WS appearances, and do not fly those banners at Target Field....maybe you smart guys can confirm.

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