Thursday, December 15, 2011

24 hours later ... still waiting

US Presswire photo
Several clubs placed bids for Yu Darvish, but we don't know which won yet.
UPDATE AT 9:08 P.M. -- It doesn't look like an announcement is coming anytime soon. Danny Knobler of CBSsports.com reports the Fighters aren't expected to make their decision until just before Tuesday's deadline. Could be a long weekend, folks.

It's now been 24 hours since the window for major-league clubs to post bids on Yu Darvish expired, and during that time we've learned ... well, not a whole lot.

The Hokkaido Nippon Ham Fighters have yet to reveal which club won the bidding rights for Darvish, or even how many clubs submitted formal bids before yesterday's 5 p.m. EST deadline.

The Fighters officially have until Tuesday to make their decision, though reports both from the United States and Japan last night suggested an announcement would come this morning. That, of course, has yet to happen.

Here's what we do know: At least four major-league franchises submitted bids for the 25-year-old right-hander. The Yankees and Cubs are definitely involved. The Rangers and Blue Jays are likely involved. The Nationals have not revealed anything in the last day about their role in all this, but given GM Mike Rizzo's favorable impression of Darvish and the club's desire to add another front-line starting pitcher, most believe they submitted a bid.

Besides, if the Nationals weren't in the mix, why has there been nothing but silence coming out of 1500 South Capitol Street in the last 24 hours?

Once the winning bid is made public -- it's expected to reach or even surpass $50 million -- that club will have 30 days to negotiate a contract with Darvish. If no deal is reached during that month-long window, the pitcher will return to the Fighters for another season and the major-league club will get its entire posting fee back.

75 comments:

Anonymous said...

I am betting Toronto.

dfh21

Get Some Players said...

Since the bidding is over, why won't the Nats give an answer as to their bidding status? Is it none of our business?

Anonymous said...

Trust me, with the negative way things are going for the Nats in off-season deals, Darvish is going somewhere else.

Theophilus said...

Expect the Yankees to get it again. They had two motivations: (1) strengthen a shaky pitching staff; (2) make certain Boston or to a lesser degree Toronto didn't get him. (Reported to be why they went to the mattresses for Texiera; it wasn't that they needed him so much as they couldn't afford to let the Red Sox have him.) Tampa Bay, KC and Milwaukee will get rich off the luxury tax.

I suspect Nats would just as soon make agents, other teams speculate about how much cash the Lerners are comfortable spreading around. Might affect other potential acquisitions, including Aoki, Cespedes (though I don't think Cespedes is an answer to what the Nats need).

Sec 3, My Sofa said...

and why should we trust you? You don't even trust Yu.

Golfersal said...

Mark, what is the deal on the Nats still not talking about this?

Could something be going wrong on this?

Find it hard to believe that a team would bid $50 million just for the right to spend another 50 to 75 million on a player. Guess that's competition, if some team has the money and doesn't care, can't do anything about that. There are no more bargains out there anymore so your better off to try and find the next Michael Morse at a cheap price.

Anonymous said...

My feeling is it's Toronto.

MicheleS said...

And continuing are theme from previous post...

Yu shook me all night long!

Anonymous said...

My bet is on the Texas Rangers, LAA is going to be hard for them to beat without some pitching.

But still hoping for the Nats....

Anonymous said...

I'm counting on Yu.

Anonymous said...

Yu'se guys know that Rizzo likes the Yu'ts.

NatsJack said...

Yu aways hurt the one you love.

Albert Pujols, Prince Fielder and Michael Morse said...

Yu ain't seen nothin' yet.

Anonymous said...

http://twitter.com/keithlaw/status/147411809958232064

keithlaw White Sox. @apon32: who hangs up first-danks for peacock and d. Hood?

Clueless said...

Can someone please decipher that last one for me? The Keith Law one?

Drew8 said...

They're also low-key on Aoki.

Joe S. said...

"Yu Darvish" is Japanese for Sidd Finch.

He throws the neutrino ball, that arrives in the catcher's mitt before it is thrown.

The curve in his curveball refers to space-time.

The incredibly rare collision between one of his pitches and a bat creates Higgs bosons.

(Just filling in time. . . )

p.s. said...

I love Yu.

Anonymous said...

@Clueless:

John Danks is a left-handed starter for the Chicago Whites Sox who made 27 starts in 2011: 7.13K/9 FIP 3.82, xFIP 3.79. He is 26 years old.


Using advanced stats (and I am of the opinion Rizzo, Johnson, and braintrust do) he looks extremely attractive trade possibility when compared to FA Edwin Jackson who also pitched for the white sox. AND Mr. Buherle! And he is again, a left-hander.

John Danks
xIP 176.4 tRA 3.90, tRAA 11.3 (that would be the highest on the Nats except for JZimmnn).

Edwin Jackson
xIP 123.2 tRA 4.35, tRAA 1.7

For most purposes one can assume that the tRAA has a direct correlation with a pitcher's WAR.

Farid said...

I hope they come in second, indicating their willingness to spend money but also putting them in a position not to get screwed again.

I was so excited when Yunesky Maya was signed a couple of years ago. I penciled him in for a 12-10, 3.90 kind of guy, a great #4 or #5 pitcher. Currently, his career record is 3-11, 5.52, 10.7/3.2/4.1

I was so upset when the Nationals didn't sign Aroldis Chapman but he has been moved to the bullpen by Cincinnati and though his career 6-3, 3.27 record isn't bad, his 6.5 walks per 9-innings can't be spun.

Though Darvish might become a great pitcher, we thought the same thing about Daisuke Matsuzaka who finished his career in the States with a 4.25 ERA.

2012 predictions/possibilities:

1--Stephen Strasburg: 10-5, 2.90
2--Jordan Zimmermann: 12-8, 3.10
3--John Lannan: 11-10, 3.90
4--???
5--Chien-Ming Wang: 9-7, 3.76

These starters would have 44 wins.

Add Joe Saunders (my favorite possibility right now), figure he could go 10-9, 3.85, and the starting five could end the season with 54 wins.

Add 4 wins for the guy who replaces Strasburg when he reaches his innings limit (and guys who cover for starters who miss starts/land on DL)and you get 58 wins

The Diamondback top six starters won 66 games and won their division. The Angles won 86 games and their top 6 starters won 63.

If they can land someone like Saunders (or Wandy Rodriguez), they are 4-5 wins away from at least being IN the pennant race.

Close enough.

plate-crowder said...

Yu Go To My Head

gonatsgo said...

Y-u-u-u, you got what I neeeeeeed.

Constant Reader said...

Darling, Yu send me ... I know that Yu send me ... honest Yu do, honest Yu do, honest Yu do.

Anonymous said...

GoNats......great post. Wanted to go Biz Mark.

Drew8 said...

What I like about Yu
Yu really know how to dance

(So maybe he has a knuckler.)

Anonymous said...

Danks as a possibility reinforces the more consistent pattern ... getting past all the hoopla and subterfuge: an out-of-favor pitcher, still young, with great stuff who is left handed. He finished 8-12 yet still managed a 3.2 WAR. Jordan Zimmermann had a 3.4 WAR last year.

They should throw in Lannan to sweeten the deal. The ChiSox need someone to replace Buehrle.

Anonymous said...

Yu'l Brenner in the movie with a cast of thousands: Morses!

Drew8 said...

Make my wish come true
All I want for Christmas is Yu

Anonymous said...

@Farid,

1. Jordan Zimmermann xIP 161.5 tRA 3.48 pRAA 14.6, WAR 3.4
2. John Danks xIP 176.4 tRA 3.90 pRAA 11.3, WAR 3.2
3, Stephen Strasburg xIP 23.7 tRA 1.04 pRAA 8.6, WAR 1.2
4. Ross Detwiler xIP 53.3 tRA 5.34 pRAA -6.2, WAR 0.1
5. Chien-Ming Wang xIP 60.4 tRA 5.51 pRAA -8.2, WAR -0.1
6. John Lannan xIP 182.3 tRA 5.04 pRAA -15.1 , WAR 0.8
7. Tom Milone xIP 26.9 tRA 3.43 pRAA 2.6, WAR 0.6

Drew8 said...

Yu really got me now
Yu got me so I can't sleep at night
Yu really got me
Yu really got me
Yu really got me

Anonymous said...

Its that time of year ... the time of the Yu'le Log, Yu'le tides and Yu'le Saki!

skidge said...

Yu guys are awesome.

Anonymous said...

Yu want a nice Hawiann punch with a Yu'ke'le'le in hand.

Mark Zuckerman said...

Just added this update to the top of the article...

UPDATE AT 9:08 P.M. -- It doesn't look like an announcement is coming anytime soon. Danny Knobler of CBSsports.com reports the Fighters aren't expected to make their decision until just before Tuesday's deadline. Could be a long weekend, folks.

Anonymous said...

Bob Yu'ker must be a relative?

Anonymous said...

Figure Stras (fingers crossed) will be good for 5-7 wins above replacement.
JZimmnn steps it up and gets close to or at 5.
Someone like Danks typically hits around 4.
Have to assume Ryan Zimmerman gets back into the 7 range.

That's about 90 wins.

Anonymous said...

Chico Harlan drives a Yu'go in Japan.

Still clueless said...

Anon @ 7:50,

Thanks. Although I know who the players are (i.e., Danks, Peacock, and Hood). And I share your high opinion of Danks. What I'm not getting -- still -- is the "@apon32: who hangs up first" bit. Am I supposed to read this as simply Law's musings of a potential fit? Or as someone from the White Sox making the suggestion? Or as someone from the Nats making the suggestion? Or as one of the parties hanging up on the other because the idea is so absurd? That's what I need deciphered. Anyone?

Drew8 said...

I love Yu
for sabermetric reasons...

Anonymous said...

Am I supposed to read this as simply Law's musings of a potential fit? Or as someone from the White Sox making the suggestion? Or as someone from the Nats making the suggestion?

My take was upon looking a apon's profile was someone just like you that read that and wasn't sure what it meant. Terse as always Klaw responds with white sox. KLaw is generally not a big rumor guy and he is a former MLB scout. His comment without any sarcastic barb leads me to believe that it may actually be a real possibility? He sure as heck isn't JimBo the uber rumor monger.

Anonymous said...

Yu'pe the official mascot of new Nationals. Or is it Expos?

greg said...

yes, clueless, that's the idea.

if both GMs are on the phone and someone says, "danks for peacock and hood" to both of them, which one of them doesn't like the deal and hangs up first?

as to where the idea of that trade came from, bowden put it on his espn blog, so i'm guessing law was just putting it out there to get people's reactions of which side would like it less.

Unkyd said...

Ham-fisted bastards. What have they to gain, from waiting? Rumor was the top bid was way high.... Pull the trigger!!

Anonymous said...

It started with Bowden? Darned ... I generally avoid reading his blog ...

Its interesting that if the White Sox had traded Beckham for Dunn it would have been a wash. Beckham had almost as horrific year as Dunn with a 0.295 wOBA. The White Sox need hitting help. Their GM likes players like Destin Hood and perhaps even Tyler Moore. Still Kenny must feel like he got burned ... even though the Nats saved him an additional few months of embarrassment.

Dave said...

I got my mind set on Yu

Could not resist.

Anonymous said...

Yu got to hand it to them ham fisted ham hockers ...

Dave said...

...But it's gonna take money
a whole lotta spending money

Anonymous said...

What about Aoki? Times up for him?

A little less clueless now said...

Anon at 9:23 and Greg,

Thanks for the translation. I can handle translations from most Romance and Slavic languages, but I'm not fluent -- and never expect to be -- in Tweet. Or would it be Twit?

In any case, it doesn't strike me as a deal that's likely to get done.

NatsLady said...

Can't take my eyes off of Yu...

sjm308 said...

So we have an anon (who either can't or won't put a silly name to his post) asking us to trust him??
and then he talks about how negative things are going for the Nationals - Lets see, we didn't sign a # 3 pitcher for 4 years for more money then he is worth? we didn't sign a SS that we honestly don't need for 6 years for more money then he is worth.
We didn't sign a first baseman for 10 years who will be 42 or older when his contract is up for more money than he is worth - Can you please explain where the negatives are in this off season? This is not the off season that is important neganon, its next year that we really need to make some moves and I am expecting we are not anywhere close to being done this year. Please tell me what moves you would have made to make this team better.

As always Go Nats!!

MicheleS said...

We need a little Frank...

Like painted kites, those days and nights, they went flyin' by. The world was new beneath a blue umbrella sky. Then softer than a piper man one day it called to YU. I lost YU, I lost Yu to the summer wind.....

steve said...

I think someone must have put in a bid of 100 million.

Why? To block Darvish from signing with someone else. They bid 100M, they don't even try to sign him, they get their money back. Yu gets bubkis.

Oh, and the silly posting system gets scrapped altogether allowing the big money teams to bid like they do for latin players.

Scott Boras would be happy ... hmmmm

Sec 3, My Sofa said...

Steve, discussed and mythbusted. Sorry.

Sec 3, My Sofa said...

Yes, I may dream a million dreams, but how can they come true,
When there will never ever be another Yu?

Captcha: "ockhol"
Yeah, that and Maalox...

CBinDC said...

I have got a line on YU babe

Sec 3, My Sofa said...

sjm, as a rule, anything that starts with "trust me," "(let's) face it/face facts," or "I *teach* a class in McLuhan" can generally be safely disregarded.

Sec 3, My Sofa said...

" Could be a long weekend, folks."

Uhoh. We may have to keep this up for three more days? Better pace ourselves.

Nattydread said...

Yu can't always get what Yu want, but if Yu try sometime Yu'll get what Yu need.

NatinBeantown said...

Ooh, Dave wins: "I got my mind ser on Yu."

Why? Because "it's gonna take a lot of money... A whole lot of spendin' money. It's going to take plentyamoney. To do it..."

natsfan1a said...

And Drew8 wins the interwebz.

Drew8 said...

I love Yu
for sabermetric reasons...
December 15, 2011 9:21 PM

natsfan1a said...

Yu kidding me?

AND

Ru-roh. It's gonna take *a lot* of coffee (gotta keep those synapses firing).

Mark Zuckerman said...

Just added this update to the top of the article...

UPDATE AT 9:08 P.M. -- It doesn't look like an announcement is coming anytime soon. Danny Knobler of CBSsports.com reports the Fighters aren't expected to make their decision until just before Tuesday's deadline. Could be a long weekend, folks.
December 15, 2011 9:10 PM

AND

Sec 3, My Sofa said...

" Could be a long weekend, folks."

Uhoh. We may have to keep this up for three more days? Better pace ourselves.
December 15, 2011 11:51 PM

UNTERP said...

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somebody)
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Sugar to kiss (Needs somebody)
I need Yu, Yu, Yu (Yu, Yu, Yu)
I need Yu, Yu, Yu (Yu, Yu, Yu)
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I need Yu, Yu, Yu (Everybody)
I need Yu, Yu, Yu (Needs somebody)
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In the morning (Everybody)
When my souls on fire (Needs somebody)
When I need that woman of mine (Everybody)
I need Yu, Yu, Yu, Yu (Needs somebody)
I need Yu, Yu, Yu, Yu (Everybody)
I need Yu, Yu, Yu (Needs somebody)
I need Yu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCTJeT2i9QU

thinker said...

Jim Bowden reports Toronto won the posting

natsfan1a said...

I was actually thinking of him on (Mercer's) P.S. I Love You, but one can never have too much Frank, imho. :-)

MicheleS said...

We need a little Frank...

natsfan1a said...

As opposed to Bowden, with whom a little bit goes a long way, imo.

natsfan1a said...

Who you gonna believe, Bowden or Drunk Jays Fans? Seriously. Plus, they're stealing our shtick. What? :-)

NatsFanTom said...

If we have to wait all weekend, then I'm going to light a Yu'le log and listen to some Yu2. Yu can count on it.

Sec 3, My Sofa said...

Thanks for the link, 1a. Some scary stuff there, but none worse than this (emphasis added):

"[Bobby] Scales didn’t really know if this was a joke, because it came through an interpreter, but the 6-foot-5-inch pitcher said his favorite sport used to be ice hockey, until he outgrew playing goalie."
The poster attributes this to Patrick Mooney at CSNChicago.com, under 'Cubs'.

Maybe it's just as well...

Sean Kelly said...

hardball talk has the Jays getting him with a bid 40-50 million

oldguyjim thinking ST said...

Forget Yu!! MR and the Lerners can make better use of their $. Sign Oswald (take a chance) or Saunders instead. We have Milone and Peacock and others in the wings. We do need a CF. Sign Beltran if healthy. Back up plan move Werth and move the the "Kid" up in late June. With that we will contend in the NLE.

Tcostant said...

Guess Anglos will get some of my money when I go see Yu pitch; the guy is worth the price of admission. Very sad day for the Nats.

blovy8 said...

I've been thinking Blue Jays for the last week, but now that Bowden agrees with me, I'm going to change my guess to the Cubs.

natsfan1a said...

hmmm, Kilgore has a post on Nationals Journal saying that the Nats did not bid.

natsfan1a said...

Oh never mind, someone already posted it to the newer thread.

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