Ian Desmond and Adam LaRoche are finalists to win their first Gold Glove awards.
Desmond is one of four National League shortstops up for the award, joining the Marlins' Jose Reyes, the Phillies' Jimmy Rollins and the Reds' Zack Cozart. LaRoche is one of three NL first baseman named finalists, along with the Braves' Freddie Freeman and the Reds' Joey Votto.All winners will be announced at 9:30 p.m. EDT Tuesday in an awards show televised by ESPN2.
Gold Glove awards are voted on by major-league managers and coaches, who submit their choices in late-September.
Neither Desmond nor LaRoche has ever won the award. Desmond is coming off a breakthrough season in which he was named an All-Star for the first time while excelling in the field. He was charged with 15 errors this year, down from 23 in 2011 and a league-high 34 in 2010.
LaRoche's steadying presence at first base certainly saved Desmond (and the rest of the Nationals infield) from being charged with more errors. The 32-year-old has long been considered one of the best defensive first basemen in the game but has never won an individual honor. LaRoche's .995 fielding percentage this season was bested by only one other NL first baseman: Carlos Lee (.996).
Only one Nationals player has ever won a Gold Glove award: Ryan Zimmerman, who was honored in 2009.
I think they both win. Nobody even close to Adam and Ian get extra points from me for getting to balls Jimmy R never did ever.
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ReplyDeleteJust got some cool news that I'm not sure they were supposed to disclose but from Kristen Hudak at ESPN tweeted me that in tomorrow's announcement of the Gold Glove, Ian Desmond and Adam LaRoche are both finalists!
October 29, 2012 12:33 PM
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I posted this on the other thread. I didn't ever know they publicly disclosed this type of info.
Mark, did you get a Press Release?
baseballswami from the previous thread, if Desi doesn't win the Silver Slugger, that would be a gigantic mistake.
ReplyDeleteI am very excited for both of them. It's good to see that Nats get some recognition.
ReplyDeleteLaRoche may get beat by Joey Votto who is really good himself but Votto missed 51 games and shouldn't be considered in my opinion.
ReplyDeleteIs anyone surprised Ryan Zimmerman didn't make the Final 3 for 3rd basemen?
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ReplyDeleteI can't understand how Danny wasn't in the top three at 2?
Gonat, I'm surprised Zim didn't make the Final 3 given how much pride he takes in his defense. I didn't expect him to win but expected the voters would have him in the Top 3.
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I can't understand how Danny wasn't in the top three at 2?
October 29, 2012 1:22 PM
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He should have been which unfortunately tells you what the general consensus is on Danny and especially the rumors on Gold Glove voting is they look at overall numbers like offense which they shouldn't.
This award should be strictly about defense but I have long figured Brandon Phillips runs away with it.
Zim can not make the list if he can not make the basic plays. His arm is an embarrassment for all baseball (fans and coaches)...it is like watching a an animal slaughter house...if you have any humanity you have to look away on a straight on hopper to him.
ReplyDeleteUnderstand why they do not even want to go there by putting him on the list of finalists.
Danny, close and likely was good enough to be on the final list.
Seconded.
ReplyDeleteMicheleS said...
I am very excited for both of them. It's good to see that Nats get some recognition.
October 29, 2012 1:13 PM
I think Danny lost a few points because when he first switched to SS he made a couple of errors. I think he should get extra credit for playing the more difficult position, and also for being able to switch positions mid-game, not to mention he played, I think, 160 games. But they do look at offense--which they shouldn't.
ReplyDeleteAgree, you can't overlook RZ's errors, whether they were caused by his shoulder or modifying his technique--they existed.
ReplyDeleteOn his worst day, Zim still makes plays no other 3B comes close to making.
ReplyDeleteswami, that is true also. That's why his errors on the "routine" plays stand out so much. I have great hope he will fix those and get his Gold Glove next year.
ReplyDeleteCongrats to both! Agree with swami about Zim.
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ReplyDeleteOn his worst day, Zim still makes plays no other 3B comes close to making.
October 29, 2012 1:55 PM
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That's my feeling. Tough crowd today. I don't care about style points meaning Zim's ugly throws are like watching Hunter Pence play the OF, it ain't pretty but they get the job done.
Wonder if there's any chance of getting this guy?
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Should be interesting..i'll be so mad if my cable is out
ReplyDeleteNo way his errors does RZ win. Even with that I'll happily take him at 3B next year even with the lazy throw errors.
ReplyDeleteWell, Rollins better not win. He is just such a whining cry baby.
ReplyDeleteSo, if the Nats lost the NLDS because of Storen, did the Tigers lose the World Series because of this guy? Great interview, tears your heart out.
ReplyDeletethe-game-of-baseball-just-kicked-me-in-the-butt
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/29/phil-coke-the-game-of-baseball-just-kicked-me-in-the-butt/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Zimmerman may make plays others don't but he is a little error prone. I take him over any other third baseman but there are some very consistent third basemen who make enough spectacular plays to earn a gold glove.
ReplyDeleteEspinosa will earn a gold glove at some point.
Suzuki should get a little love too. He was not not in the league long enough to win it, but he certainly seems to have all the tools.
Who was the Nats best fielding starting pitcher this year? In my judgment, Jackson. (It wasn't Wang). Gio? Zimm?
ReplyDeleteWho are those very consistent third basemen who have Zim's range and never boot a ball or sail a throw? Zim made some bad throws, but he hardly ever booted fielding a ball. He also gets to things no one else gets to. Lots of 3B's are just guys who used to play else where. Longoria is great but is hurt a lot more than Zim. Sandoval is ok for a big guy, but there is no way he makes plays that Zim makes. Really - who are these great third basemen who are better than Zim at range, fielding , error rate and throwing all as one package. And even though they are not supposed to include offense - you know they do, and not many are better than Zim. This just cannot be a very long list. It's not called the hot corner for nothing. It's a very tough position.
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ReplyDeleteSo, if the Nats lost the NLDS because of Storen, did the Tigers lose the World Series because of this guy? Great interview, tears your heart out.
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Good interview. Did the Tigers upset the baseball gods when they were a little too cocky after sweeping the Yankees in 4? That's why the Cardinals were humbled and embarrassed by the Giants after the gar-bage they spewed on the Nats.
Note to Nats in every series and after every post-season game, be humble and gracious.
I think JZ was our best defending pitcher, but as long as Buerhle is in the NL, doubt anyone else will even be considered. Plus our entire staff needs to work on the pickoff move.
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ReplyDeleteWho was the Nats best fielding starting pitcher this year? In my judgment, Jackson. (It wasn't Wang). Gio? Zimm?
October 29, 2012 3:05 PM
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No way, EJax had a hard time throwing over to 1st. JZim is an above average fielding pitcher. You learn that after getting a broken jaw in college.
If you want to watch some baseball... (and you have MLB Network), they will be televising some AFL games.
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http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20121029&content_id=40120924&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb&tcid=tw_article_40120924
whattsanattau -- I say JZimm is our best fielidng pitcher.
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ReplyDeleteWho was the Nats best fielding starting pitcher this year? In my judgment, Jackson. (It wasn't Wang). Gio? Zimm?
October 29, 2012 3:05 PM
I might lean toward Jordan Zimmermann. I think he is the most athletic.
Thanks for the AFL link NatsLady.
ReplyDeleteOh, and congrats to Desi and Adam for making gold glove finalists. I hope you both win.
ReplyDeleteI was going to say JZ and a bunch of you said it. By the way, MicheleS with the perfect response.
ReplyDeleteNats depth chart
ReplyDeletehttp://www.mlbdepthcharts.com/2012/10/washington-nationals-2012-13-offseason.html#.UI7YpcXA_8k
This is fun, WS stats and stuff. You can tell I'm cooped up with nothing but the internetz.
ReplyDeleteWS info
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/40119254/?partnerId=aw-7541410635549058624-996
Yes, I owe MicheleS a drink!
ReplyDeleteNatsLady - me, too. I am happy to still have power, but I have been a tv and internet junkie today. Seems so odd to be lazing around when I am usually so busy. The "catch up" list is just sitting there giving me the fish eye. I am choosing to ignore it.
ReplyDeleteActually, swami, I pretty much caught up before the storm and had planned to use the free time "creatively." So far, um, not so much.
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ReplyDeleteNats depth chart
http://www.mlbdepthcharts.com/2012/10/washington-nationals-2012-13-offseason.html#.UI7YpcXA_8k
October 29, 2012 3:30 PM
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I see they are just taking out the Free Agents and inserting players currently in the system. They have Corey Brown as the 25th man.
Bernie Pleskoff @BerniePleskoff
ReplyDelete#AFL12 Slow, over the head windup for Perry results in quick rush at finish. Breezes through first inning in order. Won't miss many bats.
Yes, the "depth chart" is basically a reference document, doesn't include any possible trades, promotions, etc. Doesn't add much for an alert fan, just puts it all in one place. It's more interesting to look at the charts for other teams that you are not as familiar with.
ReplyDeleteBrian Goodwin threw out a runner at 2nd.
ReplyDeleteGoodwin got the start today in a Lefty-Lefty matchup. So far, not so good. 0-2 and K'd on 3 straight pitches.
ReplyDeleteRendon 1-2 Goodwin 0-3
ReplyDeletePerry through 4 innings with 1 hit and no runs
ReplyDeletePerry through 5 innings with 1 hit and no runs
ReplyDeletewhere are you watching the game, Gonat?
ReplyDeleteFaraz, I have AFL Gameday.
ReplyDeletePerry done with his 5 innings of work which is his longest of the AFL season. Final line 0 runs, 1 hit, 0 walks, 3 K's ERA 4.50
ReplyDeletePerry has now pitched 9 scoreless over his last 2 outings
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ReplyDeleteoh ok, I thought you were watching it live.
ReplyDeleteNever too early to start.
ReplyDeleteOdds to win the 2013 World Series
Detroit Tigers 6/1
New York Yankees 7/1
San Francisco Giants 10/1
Texas Rangers 12/1
Washington Nationals 12/1
Los Angeles Angels 12/1
Philadelphia Phillies 14/1
St. Louis Cardinals 14/1
Cincinnati Reds 14/1
Atlanta Braves 14/1
Los Angeles Dodgers 18/1
Tampa Bay Rays 20/1
Boston Red Sox 22/1
Arizona Diamondbacks 25/1
Baltimore Orioles 25/1
Milwaukee Brewers 25/1
Oakland Athletics 25/1
Chicago White Sox 28/1
Pittsburgh Pirates 30/1
Toronto Blue Jays 35/1
Seattle Mariners 40/1
Miami Marlins 40/1
New York Mets 40/1
San Diego Padres 60/1
Minnesota Twins 66/1
Chicago Cubs 75/1
Cleveland Indians 75/1
Colorado Rockies 75/1
Kansas City Royals 75/1
Houston Astros 150/1
---from Bovada
Goodwin reached on an error and then got picked off. Now 0-4.
ReplyDeleteFrom a guy at the AFL games (in person).
ReplyDeleteBernie Pleskoff @BerniePleskoff
#AFL12 What I Liked: Kent Matthes smoked the ball. Perry and Flynn pitched well. Davis, Pillar, Marisnick 2 hits each. Yelich solid At-Bats.
Bernie Pleskoff @BerniePleskoff
#AFL What I Didn't Like: Salcedo scuffled on defense at 3B, Goodwin left 5 men on in lead off role, Rasmus Rearick tough outings on mound.
Bernie Pleskoff @BerniePleskoff
ReplyDelete#Nationals Rendon loves fastballs. Seeing more off-speed pitches now. Timing them much better. Especially those that get too much plate.
Yep, Rendon finished 2 for 5 with a double. Raised his BA to .250
ReplyDeletePhillies declined their option on 3B Placido Polanco.
ReplyDeleteWhatsanattau said... Who was the Nats best fielding starting pitcher this year? In my judgment, Jackson. (It wasn't Wang). Gio? Zimm? October 29, 2012 3:05 PM
ReplyDeleteAn under-rated fielding pitcher is Sean Burnett. He gets a lot of come backers and makes some awfully good plays, including accurate throws to 2nd to start double plays.
Like it or not, the system has changed, October ("tournament") baseball has become more important.
ReplyDelete-- From 1903 to 1968, the team with the best record in baseball won the World Series a little more than 50% of the time.
-- When four teams made the playoffs, the team with the best record in baseball won the World Series 28% of the time (7 out of 25)
-- Since 1995, team with the best record won the World Series 17% of the time (3 out of 18) and one of those winners, the 2007 Red Sox, actually tied for the best record.
Full article, very interesting (IMO).
October
http://joeposnanski.blogspot.com/2012/10/it-all-about-october.html?m=1
Hope y'all have power, it's awfully quiet around here...
I checked fangraphs, because that's what I do, but there is not enough data to assess the question of best fielding pitcher on the Nats. So--go with your eyes, peeps.
ReplyDeleteAs much as is possible for any Phillie, I feel sort of sorry for Polanco. His crimes are being somewhat old, injured and a little overpaid. The Phillies don't have anything better than him at 3B, and they have zero quality backup infielders. Unless they sign a FA 3B -- which they probably can't afford -- or trade a better than average pitcher (Kendrick?) for somebody's younger 3B, they won't be better, and probably worse than they were w/ Polanco, and certainly won't have any capable reserve IFs. (Does anyone see an opening for Alberto Gonzalez?) For Polanco's sake, I hope they make him a respectful offer.
ReplyDeleteTheo, agree. The Phillies have problems and there is no easy solution. I am surprised that "gamblers" are rating them so high. I'm not very familiar with their farm system, but unless they have some good prospects coming up, I don't see hope for them in 2013 beyond a .500 team.
ReplyDeleteLots of my relatives live where the Phil's AAA team, the Iron Pigs, play. They don 't see the team as a place to see exciting young prospects play. They go there to see veterans that are stashed until needed or in rehab assignments. They make comments about how they hope those guys don't get called up because they will never be ( fill in the blank here with Utley, Howard , etc). They cannot let go of their beloved veterans. Well, except for Jayson, and my sister is still bitter that he is gone.
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ReplyDeleteFrom what I can tell from twitter most Philly women are bitter about Jayson leaving ;-)
Michele- I know you are right, but I don 't get it. The brooding, intense type? Heathcliffe in Wuthering Heights??
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ReplyDeleteThink Heathcliffe in Sons of Anarchy. We all like the dangerous type.
I just hope he is dangerous at the plate next season.
ReplyDeleteSo far, so good here on the west side of Reston. Still have power and all my trees.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.mlbdepthcharts.com/2012/10/washington-nationals-2012-13-offseason.html#.UI7YpcXA_8k
ReplyDeleteThese guys try with their conjectures ... but in the end Ladson's is the official depth chart ... after the one Rizzo keeps hidden behind his door of course ... :)
Gonat, I'm surprised Zim didn't make the Final 3 given how much pride he takes in his defense. I didn't expect him to win but expected the voters would have him in the Top 3.
ReplyDeleteHe'll get there again when he becomes the Nat's everyday first baseman.
Things look quiet on here. Probably the lack of internet and power in DC. Be safe.
ReplyDeleteStill hanging in. Watching Moneyball- again.
ReplyDeleteLooks like NYC is getting the brunt of it. Wind and flood ravaged ... its going to be a huge mess there.
ReplyDeletenothing like getting high out in a hurricane when classes are cancelled!
ReplyDeleteFine here. Lost power @ 9PM; back up at 6AM.
ReplyDeleteFine here- never lost power. I used to live in Florida, on the Gulf, this wasn't a powerful storm, but it was huge and relentless. No damage at my house- small limbs. New Jersey is wrecked.
ReplyDeleteStill waiting word on my jersey shore house. I never thought living in south carolina that my hurricane worries would be in nj. Glad to hear DC fared well.
ReplyDeletePeople around here like to think they have it tough, but we were so lucky compared to our neighbors to the North. It was inconvenient and unpleasant, but not so bad.
ReplyDeleteNo problem. Going to doctor appointment, gym, and probably to work if my studio (in Burke) has power. No Nats news (other than AFL) that I can spot around the Internetz...
ReplyDeleteSurvived the night and the house guests (invaded by a devil dog). Never lost power. Will do another day from home.
ReplyDeleteWatching news channel 8 - only local news-- Adam Caskey, the live reporter , is wearing a Nats cap!!!!! Curly W sighting!
ReplyDeleteNatsJack in Florida said...
ReplyDeleteEverybody survive the night? Reports down here are that you haven't been hit as hard as expected.
October 30, 2012 7:44 AM
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The "derecho" storm was much worse in the DC area but now the fear is flooding as the rain keeps falling it could bring more trees down.
Swami.. Tom Sherwood at NBC 4 was rocking his Curly W hat last night as well.
ReplyDeletelost power for about 3 hours and back on, not bad at all.
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ReplyDeleteGym not opening until noon, no answer at my studio. It's raining steadiliy and the Potomac is high. Guess I'll just watch Netflix...
ReplyDeletehttp://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8572138/washington-nationals-set-well-offseason-mlb
ReplyDelete"Fear the Nationals. Washington had a great year and is set up perfectly for the offseason"
Yeah -- we have guys in the rising stars game! Rendon, Goodwin and Barrett. SAturday? Hoping for more good news tonight at 9.
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ReplyDeleteJayB,
Read the link Gonat has sent and see if you can introduce any negativity to that.
Mark - no pressure for a new post or anything ( not that we would mind, we all seem a little bored) but just check in to let us know your family is ok!
ReplyDeleteSwami -- and your wih is granted seven minutes later.... (presumably Mark's family is fine too)!
ReplyDeleteJD at 12:23, I just fell out of my chair laughing. There are those that would be negative at the route of the World Series parade.
ReplyDeleteJayB and I agree but disagree on Danny Espinosa. Let's see how he does in Spring Training and if he hasn't shortened that swing, send him to AAA to work on it. This team has "it". Embrace IT, love it, enjoy it.