tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post7175732985126031913..comments2024-02-15T05:42:18.307-05:00Comments on Nats Insider: A ninth-inning implosion, a frustrating lossMark Zuckermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13525315258889435961noreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-47167215132871221782011-04-28T16:53:06.505-04:002011-04-28T16:53:06.505-04:00I was furious at last night's loss. Its hard ...I was furious at last night's loss. Its hard to take when you lose a game you should have won. I was dissapointed when Riggleman brought in Burnett for the nineth. I know Sean has done well this year, but I do not consider him a closer. He is a good relief pitcher and I'm glad he's on the Nationals, but I cringe when he is closing games. That being said, I think Burnett and Clippard are equally effective against both right handed batters and left handed, so I don't really have a problem with Burnett pitching to Jason Bay or Clippard pitching to Daniel Murphy.SonnyG10https://www.blogger.com/profile/06568010128457246433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-83019201412785321192011-04-28T16:42:16.455-04:002011-04-28T16:42:16.455-04:00Anon @2:59. You speak like you are the GM. Laughab...Anon @2:59. You speak like you are the GM. Laughable. You are probably the same idiot Anon explaining the wheel play incorrectly.Mark'dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-69704808941837261252011-04-28T16:29:41.808-04:002011-04-28T16:29:41.808-04:00JayB and the facts are like oil and water. They ju...JayB and the facts are like oil and water. They just don't mix...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-72732196034284831372011-04-28T16:28:07.588-04:002011-04-28T16:28:07.588-04:00JayB, did your imaginary friend ABM go to Europe w...JayB, did your imaginary friend ABM go to Europe with you? And how did he enjoy the trip if he did?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-55655615913825499882011-04-28T16:10:15.801-04:002011-04-28T16:10:15.801-04:00ABM....so nice to hear from you again...
JD....Gr...ABM....so nice to hear from you again...<br /><br />JD....Greinke did turn down a contract extension worth well over what he would have earned as a FA....LEE left money on TX table and Nats table as has been widely reported as did TEX....you are just wrong on the facts....Now what you are saying about building a team with draft pics and TB issues.....whole different thing....you can make a case either way...I say spend well over 100Million a year on the MLB product and Spend on draft as well....cover both bases.....Forbes has reported Lerners have the profit from running a shoe string operation for 5 years here.JayBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11448827055342357809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-62280573538066808032011-04-28T16:03:01.961-04:002011-04-28T16:03:01.961-04:00"This team is still losing in 2013 then Zim i..."This team is still losing in 2013 then Zim is gone for sure...he has said as much many times."<br /><br />That's stoner talk if ever there was. Just because you hear the voices in your head JayB it doesn't mean anyone else hears them. You might want to adjust your dose.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-81125787812876535892011-04-28T16:02:12.037-04:002011-04-28T16:02:12.037-04:00JayB,
Greinke was not a free agent; so there was...JayB,<br /><br /> Greinke was not a free agent; so there was no offer to refuse. Lee left nothing on the table and neither did Tex. This team should never conduct it's business worried about players leaving 2 years down the line.<br /><br /> BTW,<br /><br /> Have you looked at the the Rays lately? they lost: Crawford, Pena, Garza, Soriano, Belfour etc and after a shaky start they are right there; you know why because they have oodles of talent they developed and they have not rushed their top outfield prospect to the majors (Desmond Jennings) because of service time considerations.<br /><br /> When Freedman et al. took over the Rays they were a bigger mess than the Nats in a worse stadium with more disgruntled fans. Don't tell me you can't build a team from within.JDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-59762080272800201322011-04-28T15:40:14.427-04:002011-04-28T15:40:14.427-04:00JD if that was true C Lee would be here as would T...JD if that was true C Lee would be here as would Tex....hell just look at this past off season how many pitchers like Zack G who refused Nats who had the highest offer....99 out of 100 go for the highest dollar....what planet have you been on the past few years? This team is still losing in 2013 then Zim is gone for sure...he has said as much many times. Just in a way that makes it sound like he believes they will be winning by then.....but if not the unsaid is very clear.JayBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11448827055342357809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-48170297073589320582011-04-28T15:37:12.412-04:002011-04-28T15:37:12.412-04:00I really want to see HRod pitch soon. I wonder ho...I really want to see HRod pitch soon. I wonder how he'll be used out of the 'pen. <br />Anyone know if he can be a "long man"? I thought I read somewhere that he was once a starter.Cwjnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-61199664430506423252011-04-28T15:18:38.200-04:002011-04-28T15:18:38.200-04:00What's wrong with allowing Detwiler to have so...What's wrong with allowing Detwiler to have some success at AAA? I don't know why we have this need to graduate players before they are ready?<br /><br /> 2011 and probably 2012 are stepping stone years while Harper matures and Strasburg returns to health. We have many good young arms in the pipeline but they need to cook some and please don't give me the cr*p about Zimmerman not resigning unless we start to contend. If that was a criteria Werth wouldn't have signed here. 99 out of 100 players go where the best money is; simple as that.JDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-11021438022455631152011-04-28T14:59:58.709-04:002011-04-28T14:59:58.709-04:00Detwiler is no Aroldis Chapman or Adam Wainwright....Detwiler is no Aroldis Chapman or Adam Wainwright. He's a pitcher who was drafted to be a starter but hasn't yet proven himself as one. His path to proving himself as a starter does not pass through the bullpen. If he goes to the bullpen, he stays there along with legions of other pitchers who couldn't prove themselves as starters. The Nats still think he can be a starter, and since he still has an option left they will have him start in AAA until they happen to need a starter in Washington. Is that so hard to understand?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-57012981252907335332011-04-28T14:34:36.301-04:002011-04-28T14:34:36.301-04:00I think Anon is giving the traditional scenario w...I think Anon is giving the traditional scenario with regards to relief pitchers.<br /><br />The other example is Aroldis Chapman.Mark'dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-13597216988250428032011-04-28T14:32:20.105-04:002011-04-28T14:32:20.105-04:00"Anon, what can I tell you. I don't see D..."Anon, what can I tell you. I don't see Detwiler as a future ace and right now the bullpen needs him. I have shown as Exhibit "A" Mr. Wainwright, what better example do you need?"<br /><br />Doesn't matter whether or not you think of Detwiler as a future ace. The Nats think of him as a starter, and unless and until they give up on that notion there's no way they're putting him in the bullpen. Even if it might help them now.<br /><br />Wrap your head around this: Slaten may well be the problem, but that doesn't make Detwiler the solution.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-62110985696351270352011-04-28T13:57:41.644-04:002011-04-28T13:57:41.644-04:00Anon, what can I tell you. I don't see Detwil...Anon, what can I tell you. I don't see Detwiler as a future ace and right now the bullpen needs him. I have shown as Exhibit "A" Mr. Wainwright, what better example do you need?<br /><br />It doesn't mean anyone is giving up on him. I'm not. There is still Maya in the wings too as a starter and hopefully Strasburg in September.Steve M.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-86283571731752807442011-04-28T13:54:20.499-04:002011-04-28T13:54:20.499-04:00GreatUnwashed, I know you aren't necessarily s...GreatUnwashed, I know you aren't necessarily saying payroll predicts success but if you haven't been following the money payroll game lately, its favoring the younger payrolls which many believe are developing from within. Teams like the Marlins, Rangers, Rays, Reds, Rockies, Braves, Twins and Giants have all done well with payrolls under $100,000,000.<br /><br />Seems like that list reads like most of last years playoff teams and both World Series teams. Oh, the list is missing the Yankees.<br /><br />http://baseball.about.com/od/newsrumors/a/2010baseballteampayrolls.htmPAY TO PLAYnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-68494488577880556542011-04-28T13:43:09.096-04:002011-04-28T13:43:09.096-04:00"In Spring Training I suggested Detwiler take..."In Spring Training I suggested Detwiler take one for the team and be an Adam Wainwright. Next year is a clearer path to being a starter. I am not suggesting Detwiler become a LOOGY by definition because that wastes his talent. He is a lefty stopper in the same role as Burnett was"<br /><br />The main thing keeping Detwiler out of the starting rotation now is lack of consistency and durability over the course of being able to pitch 6+ strong innings every fifth day. Making him into a reliever - even if only for one season - does nothing to get him over that hump. Nearly all relievers are failed starters, but rare is the starter who spends significant time as a reliever and comes back to be a starter again. If the Nats put Detwiler into the bullpen it will only be because they're ready to give up on him as a starter - which they're not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-45048335930435584632011-04-28T13:29:33.174-04:002011-04-28T13:29:33.174-04:00I'm joining the dicussion late, but JD, truer ...I'm joining the dicussion late, but JD, truer words were never spoken -- especially about Storen during spring training. My sentiments exactly.<br /><br />Two other things: If the Nats had a payroll like the Yankees, we'd have the right to complain. But even with Werth's contract, they're still in the lower half of the league. Get used to games like this, everyone. The Nats won't be contending until 2013 (hopefully), and I sure hope I'm wrong about that and it happens sooner.<br /><br />Having said this, there are some short memories on this thread about Burnett. He's been pretty good overall. Why no comments about only scoring three runs agaonst the Mets? They don't exactly have the Phillies' rotation. Yes, the pitching imploded this time. But for the most part it's been the hitting.The Great Unwashednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-16545856399570079212011-04-28T13:27:20.067-04:002011-04-28T13:27:20.067-04:00Anonymous said...
"Detwiler should be in Was...<i>Anonymous said... <br />"Detwiler should be in Washington taking Slaten's place."<br /><br />Unless you're advocating that they give up on the idea of Detwiler ever being a starter it makes no sense to turn him into a LOOGY now. Even if he is one of the better LHP in the organization. LOOGYs are old guys who aren't good for anything else (prime example: 31 year old Slaten) not young pitchers with a future ahead of them. <br /><br />April 28, 2011 12:27 PM </i> <br />In Spring Training I suggested Detwiler take one for the team and be an Adam Wainwright. Next year is a clearer path to being a starter. I am not suggesting Detwiler become a LOOGY by definition because that wastes his talent. He is a lefty stopper in the same role as Burnett was and can stay in to face right handed batters if Riggleman thinks he will be effective.<br /><br />With the Phillies and Mets so loaded with lefties and now the Braves have a few more too, Slaten isn't doing the job. It isn't his ERA, it's that he isn't getting his one designated LOOGY out and worse than that giving up runs in the process. They all know his pitch. The looping curve on the outside corner they are all going opposite field with.<br /><br />Slaten's time is over which is why you didn't see him against Murphy in the 8th.Steve M.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-968965702493552982011-04-28T13:18:54.684-04:002011-04-28T13:18:54.684-04:00Anon@12:51. You don't know what a Wheel Play i...Anon@12:51. You don't know what a Wheel Play is my friend. So your Babe Ruth team on up must have been doing it wrong.<br /><br />I google'd it to make sure I wasn't confused on what it was and I don't have to rewrite it because here is the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_play<br /><br />I re-watched that play too and as I wrote above at 10:32AM is how it went down. That is not a wheel play as Bixler headed to 2nd base and Espinosa towards 1st and Hairston came in a couple steps and retreated. If the wheel play was on Hairston would have charged and Bixler would have run to cover 3rd base.<br /><br />The reason we know it wasn't a wheel play is because Hairston and Bixler didn't react to a wheel. Could both of them not had the right play on? Who knows. Hairston wasn't charging full speed and Bixler ran to 2nd instead of 3rd.Steve M.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-12014339157351495732011-04-28T13:01:55.621-04:002011-04-28T13:01:55.621-04:00Anon, that wasn't a wheel play and Burnett and...Anon, that wasn't a wheel play and Burnett and Hairston may not have known the defensive alignment. The worst situation was realized which was NO outs so you better train the Nats of your model of the wheel play know-it-all.Mark'dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-58551265744118471712011-04-28T12:51:36.954-04:002011-04-28T12:51:36.954-04:00Hairston was not supposed to field the bunt, plain...Hairston was not supposed to field the bunt, plain and simple. With runners on 1st and 2nd w/ no outs, the first priority is getting the force at 3rd. <br /><br />So the SS has to stay close to second to keep the runner close, the 3rd baseman covers the base and the pitcher is responsible for anything bunted towards 3rd base.<br /><br />It is the basic "Wheel play" that is used by any team from Babe Ruth league on up.You guys should know this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-31372472986401535072011-04-28T12:37:12.950-04:002011-04-28T12:37:12.950-04:00I would say yes on Detwiler to the 'pen. I do...I would say yes on Detwiler to the 'pen. I don't think he will be any better than a #4 and his arb clock is ticking. Riggleman needs him het like 4 weeks ago. <br /><br />BTW, JD Martin has totally lost it in Syracuse.Mark'dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-54365366306751976482011-04-28T12:28:48.833-04:002011-04-28T12:28:48.833-04:00It seems to me for some reason that teh Nats have ...It seems to me for some reason that teh Nats have stopped working the count over the last vcouple of weeks. The mets last night seemed to be doing what we had been doing, and very effectively in the latter innings where the game is won. I think in the frustration that comes from cold hitting batters have been reluctant to show the patience. Does anybody else feel this way?NaterialGuynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-43077330738174941792011-04-28T12:27:50.094-04:002011-04-28T12:27:50.094-04:00"Detwiler should be in Washington taking Slat..."Detwiler should be in Washington taking Slaten's place."<br /><br />Unless you're advocating that they give up on the idea of Detwiler ever being a starter it makes no sense to turn him into a LOOGY now. Even if he is one of the better LHP in the organization. LOOGYs are old guys who aren't good for anything else (prime example: 31 year old Slaten) not young pitchers with a future ahead of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-44924315465318881552011-04-28T11:49:38.935-04:002011-04-28T11:49:38.935-04:00Remember John Bowker? He was the Pirates pinch hit...Remember John Bowker? He was the Pirates pinch hitter the Nats faced in the Saturday to Monday series. This season he was 4 for 17 with 2 RBIs and they dropped him to bring in Xavier Paul who was DFA'd by the Dodgers and he was 3 for 11 this season in LA. Last week the Pirates DFA'd infielder Josh Rodriguez and brought in Brandon Wood.<br /><br />I don't follow the Pirates close enough to know why Bowker was KO'd in favor of a lighter hitting Xavier Paul but that allows me to segue to my favorite point I have been trying to make for weeks which is replacement value and making obvious changes quicker.<br /><br />You saw last night how close Bernadina was on that Ike Davis hit in the 9th (so close) and add that to 2 hits he already has in 3 ABs and he already has 2 more hits than Stairs has had all season. Bernie should have been here on Opening Day (yes, I have said this before many times, sorry for repeating myself)<br /><br />When Desmond gets back Stairs has to go. When Zimmerman comes back, Bixler will most likely go.<br /><br />Gaudin should not return from the DL. Detwiler should be in Washington taking Slaten's place.<br /><br />Now like I have been saying, Stairs may eventually get a hit and it may be tonight and then again maybe not and then again, who cares. He is a net subtraction in replacement value and even if he hits 2 HRs this season, he has already failed too many times. No opposing team is going to walk him on purpose as they all have scouts and they all see him as an automatic out right now. My worst memory this year wasn't last night, it was the night Stairs whiffed on watching 3 straight strikes from Halladay with the tying run on 2nd and the winning run on 1st. <br /><br />Now how different would this season be if you could change that night!Steve M.noreply@blogger.com