tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post5851349252438791610..comments2024-02-15T05:42:18.307-05:00Comments on Nats Insider: Beaten and bruised by the BravesMark Zuckermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13525315258889435961noreply@blogger.comBlogger99125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-22707187000005072592013-08-17T15:34:55.757-04:002013-08-17T15:34:55.757-04:00I said in anotger tgread we need to like General S...I said in anotger tgread we need to like General Sgerma.Manassas Nats' Fanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06531153181575176550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-31525863263326284052013-08-17T15:19:25.311-04:002013-08-17T15:19:25.311-04:00I think it was Mike Wallace, on Nat's Talk thi...I think it was Mike Wallace, on Nat's Talk this morning who made the point that Gio should have plunked one of the Braves players the very next inning after Julio T. plunked Harper. <br />A few years ago, wasn't there a pitcher on the Texas Rangers who consistently came up and in and hit opposing players? Didn't his own teammates get him to stop because they were tired of being plunked as a result of his tactics? <br />Tonight will be interesting for SS. He says he wants to be seen as a mule. He doesn't like to being taken out of games when he has an ache. He didn't like Davey telling the press about the "icy hot" problem he experienced during a game. I hope that SS understands the situation facing him tonight. I also hope that MLB doesn't tell the umps to issue warnings before the game starts, as I am sure Atlanta is lobbying for right now.Nats Fan 204https://www.blogger.com/profile/14326381320140733210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-30095153480217706872013-08-17T12:58:49.390-04:002013-08-17T12:58:49.390-04:00I want to see Nats pound some faces and kick some ...I want to see Nats pound some faces and kick some nuts!mickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11829941762393424812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-90103253405047179232013-08-17T12:57:19.922-04:002013-08-17T12:57:19.922-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.mickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11829941762393424812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-18430717886604468162013-08-17T12:39:37.105-04:002013-08-17T12:39:37.105-04:00Heck, even Peter Brady took care of that bully Bud...Heck, even Peter Brady took care of that bully Buddy Hinton for making fun of Cindy's lisp...and when he did, that was the end of that.<br /><br />We will continue to get bullied until we stand up to it and do something about it. When we do, it will be over.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07099566759994134350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-51240549694600251382013-08-17T12:27:29.334-04:002013-08-17T12:27:29.334-04:00To be fair, in the first game, they kind of had to...To be fair, in the first game, they kind of had to issue a warning - Harper started yelling, and the benches cleared, and it seemed like a brawl was possible. They had to step in at that point. Last night, though...it did seem premature.EmDashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05244048896547770295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-35514542935568009362013-08-17T12:19:04.017-04:002013-08-17T12:19:04.017-04:00nats guy said...Sometimes you just need to give a ...<em>nats guy said...Sometimes you just need to give a bully a good swift kick in the ass to get their attention and make it stop.</em><br /><br />You misspelled balls.<br /><br />By letting this go on this long, we've let ourselves get into a situation where we have to either:<br /><br />1) Do something really ugly, i.e., hit two or three Braves in a row, which will surely empty the benches and result in ejections, fines, and suspensions or;<br /><br />2) Bend over and ask for another.<br /><br />And, to pull out the Neville Chamberlain analogy again: If someone had stopped Hitler in 1934, nobody would have had to do anything ugly in 1939.<br /><br />(Did I just compare the Braves to Hitler?)<br /><br />The Braves are playing this like a violin. They <br />hit our guy, and say, "Whoops, I'm sorry, (snickersnickersnicker)" and the ump issues warnings to both teams. Then they do the same thing the next time. So the rule apparently is, you get one free shot per game (actually two for the Braves yesterday); whoever hits the other guy first wins.<br /><br />Look, we're not going to win the division, or even make the playoffs. If we allow this to continue, nobody is going to want to play for this organization going down the road because we'll have the reputation as a team that doesn't protect its own. The prospect of losing Harper to free agency gets bigger every time he gets hit with no retaliation.<br /><br />We have nothing to lose by retaliating. Being out of the race is liberating. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTHRg_iSWzM" rel="nofollow">I'm channeling my inner Janis Joplin right now.</a>Candidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02384645593063095481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-76888803804865744582013-08-17T12:16:19.949-04:002013-08-17T12:16:19.949-04:00swami, I understand your 11:58 and can see where y...swami, I understand your 11:58 and can see where you are torn. I would not want anything tragic to happen either. However, I think the quickest end to this is to send the Braves a message soonest or the chances of something bad happening increases.SonnyG10https://www.blogger.com/profile/06568010128457246433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-30938341080110477162013-08-17T12:13:49.071-04:002013-08-17T12:13:49.071-04:00"The only thing I am sure of is that this has..."The only thing I am sure of is that this has to stop."<br /><br />How do you convince the other guys to back off? It takes both sides, and there is no hint that one side is ready to call it quits. The Nats did not retaliate for Teheran, and what did it get them? <br /><br />When I was in elementary school there was a really big new kid who was a bully. He always picked on the smallest kids, and one of the smallest was a nice kid named Tommy Evans. Wayne (the bully) backed Tommy up against the school wall one day and started in on a small kid he towered over. Tommy let loose with a straight left to Wayne's gut. Wayne went down, started crying, and no one ever let Wayne bully them, again.<br /><br />It never stops until someone puts a stop to it. There is nothing to prevent an apology from one of the Braves or their manager. Nada. They could end it right now, if they wished.Laddie Blah Blahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16474416524698003749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-31881675693945122292013-08-17T12:12:29.160-04:002013-08-17T12:12:29.160-04:00Laddie, good points in your 12:02.Laddie, good points in your 12:02.SonnyG10https://www.blogger.com/profile/06568010128457246433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-70752708621288349742013-08-17T12:10:16.034-04:002013-08-17T12:10:16.034-04:00Whynat said...
At approximately 8:10 pm on Ma...<i>Whynat said...<br /><br /> At approximately 8:10 pm on May 6, 2012 Mr. Colbert Hamels struck Mr. Bryce Harper with a thrown baseball.<br /><br /> At approximately 8:35 pm on May 6, 2012 Mr. Jordan Zimmermann struck Mr. Hamels with a thrown baseball.</i><br /><br />And there it ended. Done. Finis. An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. Play ball.<br /><br />The difference between the Hamels-Harper incident and the Braves-Harper incident is what the umps did. When Hamels plunked Harper, they did not lay down the warnings until after the Nats retaliated. That allowed the Nats to make the choice on when and how to retaliate. They could ignore it, end it with an equivalent plunking, or escalate. But when the umps placed warnings on both benches immediately after Harper was plunked the first time, it narrowed the Nats' choices down to either escalating the incident by inciting ejections, automatic suspensions and possibly brawls, or wimping out with the swami/222 "why can't we all just get along?" approach. Neither one of those is a pretty picture.<br /><br />Tonight, assuming there are no pre-emptive warnings by the umps, the Nats need to plunk someone and end this. They had their chance to do that in the next game when the Braves were in DC, and they chose not to. See how that worked out? They shouldn't make the same mistake again.The Real Feel Wood. Accept no substitutes.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13147290573966561009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-71333302395520398722013-08-17T12:05:18.497-04:002013-08-17T12:05:18.497-04:00JayB, I agree with you on May and June--Davey did ...JayB, I agree with you on May and June--Davey did not inject any URGENCY in the team, just seemed to be content to let the players "express" their talent. Then it was too late in July.NatsLadyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06814911056080758503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-89241692299538959712013-08-17T12:02:50.424-04:002013-08-17T12:02:50.424-04:00I don't know what has happened to Davey. He is...I don't know what has happened to Davey. He is not managing at a high school level. Any HS coach who wanted to win last night would have sent in a pinch runner for Ramos as soon as Wilson reached first base in the 9th. It was comical to see him finally send in Zuki as an after thought, like he just noticed that Ramos couldn't run when Wilson stopped at 2nd base instead of making it to 3rd on a weak grounder through the right side.<br /><br />Maybe it's early onset Alzheimer's. Davey is not even making the obvious moves any competent manager would be making as a matter of routine. Any one of us here probably has his own list of blunders, missteps and downright WTF moments from this past season.<br /><br />Or NL may be right about fatigue taking over late in night games. Well, just 6 more weeks and it will be over. I am sure Rizzo has his list, or he might even have a guy lined up, already. I am tired of beating up on Davey. He is a good man who probably stayed one year too many.Laddie Blah Blahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16474416524698003749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-82675403153900934312013-08-17T11:58:50.867-04:002013-08-17T11:58:50.867-04:00You actually don't know anything about me. I h...You actually don't know anything about me. I have seen first hand the damage a baseball can do to a body. I have also seen first hand what can happen when people make decisions with the wrong part of their body. I already said I see both sides of it. I just don't see it as black and white as some of you do. I have seen a pitcher have to live with the fact that he disabled someone for life-- accidentally. I cannot even imagine what it would be like if it happened intentionally. It's because of the things I have seen close up that I hesitate to see this a a simple issue. No pitcher has perfect control. The only thing I am sure of is that this has to stop.baseballswamihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03473384422940931212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-88993270569739399052013-08-17T11:49:03.671-04:002013-08-17T11:49:03.671-04:00Baseballswami,
I can tell you never played. If t...Baseballswami,<br /><br />I can tell you never played. If they do not react today they will be owned by the Brav0s and every other team in baseball who pulls this crap. The Brave0s also know that baseballs can cause injuries. My respect for Frddie Gonzalez, which was high, now does not exist. Yesterday did not need to happen. It will not stop unless the Nats respond in kind, probaby with Freddie Freeman.<br /><br />I use the analogy of Neville Chamberlain and appeasement. Sometimes you just need to give a bully a good swift kick in the ass to get their attention and make it stop.nats guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17664345829794812697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-64017692397748445802013-08-17T11:42:05.158-04:002013-08-17T11:42:05.158-04:00Still very torn on this. No pitcher has perfect co...Still very torn on this. No pitcher has perfect control. Risky business. I hate this part of baseball culture. The way things are going this year I just see it blowing back on us. And those fans are so blood thirsty that I almost fear for the safety of our team. Remember what they did when the ump made a call they didn't like?? Maybe it needs to wait until the end of game three. I still see the ideal solution is beating them in the field.baseballswamihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03473384422940931212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-8277845493179742822013-08-17T11:40:00.532-04:002013-08-17T11:40:00.532-04:00Does not matter if Davey ran spring training the s...Does not matter if Davey ran spring training the same in 2012 and 2013....he did not in my view...but the point is it did not work. He did not change the tone when it clearly did not work by May...he did not change when it became make or brake season mode in June....Then Rizzo did nothing when it became a league wide joke that the Nats were punks......now it will get ugly....with fights and suspensions....ALL TO PROTECT A OLD GUY's EGO who stayed too long.....WATCH THE DAVEY RESPONSE to Charlie M getting fired.....EVEN DAVEY KNOWS NATS have become a joke.JayBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04693759549310715123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-86837986693167986302013-08-17T11:32:57.676-04:002013-08-17T11:32:57.676-04:00Sec222 and David Proctor,
After the first plunkin...Sec222 and David Proctor,<br /><br />After the first plunking 10 games ago I agreed with you, let it die. Unfortunately the Brave0s didn't let it die. If the Nats don't respond today they might as well go out on the field with the signs kick me hard on their jerseys. The Brav0s are just crunching on the Nats necks and it isn't real pretty to watch if you're a Nats fan. Probably Bud Selig or Joe Torre need to get involved or today should get pretty nasty. <br /><br />If I'm Bryce Harper I would demand that my teammates (pitchers) and coaches do what is necessary to protect my back. If they don't do that I wouldn't want to be playing for that team. To me it doesn't matter if a position player is a star or not he should expect protection from his teammates and coaches. If he doesn't get it, it isn't much of a team.<br /><br />Other teams are watching and if the Nats lay down today they will be getting a lot of issues from them also. Forget about the records today, take care of your team.<br /><br /><br />nats guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17664345829794812697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-12343316712074891622013-08-17T11:28:30.987-04:002013-08-17T11:28:30.987-04:00This year spring training was an anomaly because o...This year spring training was an anomaly because of the WBC and the Gio-Biogenesis thing. Davey's goal was to get the boys to April without injuries. I remember toward the end he made the them all ride the buses to away games. I don't think he managed ST that much differently than he did for 2012. NatsLadyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06814911056080758503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-23692756243617516002013-08-17T11:14:30.840-04:002013-08-17T11:14:30.840-04:00mick said...
Werth is Michael Corleno...problem i...<i>mick said...<br /><br />Werth is Michael Corleno...problem is...too many players are like Fredo</i><br /><br />+1<br />joemktghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04524471448023705650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-24321465268072530932013-08-17T11:09:21.118-04:002013-08-17T11:09:21.118-04:00agree swamiagree swamimickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11829941762393424812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-730971049332980622013-08-17T11:08:27.742-04:002013-08-17T11:08:27.742-04:00baseballswami said...
Davey is in pain and obvious...<i>baseballswami said...<br />Davey is in pain and obviously not inspiring much out of this team. Maybe he needs a bit of a DL stint and just let Knorr run the team for a week or so. I would like to see it. The one day Davey got tossed, Knorr put Soriano in his place. He is the one in faces, communicating, patting backs, barking and knows every single guy in there. Not saying we would magically win every game, just give Davey's back a rest and what could it hurt?<br />August 17, 2013 11:03 AM</i><br /><br />Sounds good to me swami.SonnyG10https://www.blogger.com/profile/06568010128457246433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-94063441785154502013-08-17T11:04:35.553-04:002013-08-17T11:04:35.553-04:00NSA text message intercepts:
LaRoche to Jones: WT...NSA text message intercepts:<br /><br />LaRoche to Jones: WTF Chip, what are your guys thinking<br />Jones to LaRoche: ahhh, just a little carried away<br />LaRoche to Jones: you know we have to get someone<br />Jones to LaRoche: yeah, got it -that'll cap it<br />LaRoche to Jones: Upton is gonna wear one on his a**<br />Jones to LaRoche: hes a pain in the a** already<br />Whynathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01260512800787364274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-10180810578278036962013-08-17T11:04:04.050-04:002013-08-17T11:04:04.050-04:00Werth is Michael Corleno...problem is...too many p...Werth is Michael Corleno...problem is...too many players are like Fredomickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11829941762393424812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-20913903347217911572013-08-17T11:03:34.540-04:002013-08-17T11:03:34.540-04:00Davey is in pain and obviously not inspiring much...Davey is in pain and obviously not inspiring much out of this team. Maybe he needs a bit of a DL stint and just let Knorr run the team for a week or so. I would like to see it. The one day Davey got tossed, Knorr put Soriano in his place. He is the one in faces, communicating, patting backs, barking and knows every single guy in there. Not saying we would magically win every game, just give Davey's back a rest and what could it hurt? baseballswamihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03473384422940931212noreply@blogger.com