tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post5154020973784152477..comments2024-02-15T05:42:18.307-05:00Comments on Nats Insider: What decision do you want back?Mark Zuckermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13525315258889435961noreply@blogger.comBlogger71125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-2692285732634049882010-10-28T13:33:09.632-04:002010-10-28T13:33:09.632-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13327227981540387639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-83221616315176681452010-10-27T15:22:33.662-04:002010-10-27T15:22:33.662-04:00Having Teddy be the stooge in the Presidents' ...Having Teddy be the stooge in the Presidents' race. Everybody knows that real-life Teddy would wipe the floor with those other guys. Lincoln and Washington were both fit, but they were no Teddy.<br /><br />Jefferson is the fraud. That guy might've been a five-tool president (which is why Bowden liked him), but as a sprinter? No way.Raffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-8684587503549951802010-10-27T13:56:05.139-04:002010-10-27T13:56:05.139-04:00Bowden. But let's not forget trading for Nyjer...Bowden. But let's not forget trading for Nyjer Morgan. Glad to be rid of Lastings Milledge, love Sean Burnett, but Nyjer was a mistake.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-13538380773589053272010-10-27T10:40:27.934-04:002010-10-27T10:40:27.934-04:00natsfan1a ... I had the exact same thought about t...natsfan1a ... I had the exact same thought about the home plate umpire in game 6 of the NLCS. Thanks for confirming that he was in fact behind the plate calling The Kid's K's in his debut. And, I agree, it's a great third strike motion.FOTBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-12481716328462987502010-10-27T05:49:02.083-04:002010-10-27T05:49:02.083-04:00By far, both the hiring and the extension of Bowde...By far, both the hiring and the extension of Bowden were #1. Bowden's hiring led to several other disasters from which the team is still trying to recover. Wouldn't Juan Rivera have looked good in the Nats outfield these past 6 years? It took seven years, but the Reds have finally recovered from the Bowden era. I hope it doesn't take the Nats that long to recover.Jim in MDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-86590749390152905392010-10-27T05:13:37.702-04:002010-10-27T05:13:37.702-04:00Well, I came away from this LIKING the Lerners bet...Well, I came away from this LIKING the Lerners better. I'm glad they heard the fans on the Dunn issue last July. If his Ks are the price for protecting Zimm and for the production he generates, then I'm fine to see the Ks. It will be the worst decision in Nats history not to sign him if we can't somehow pull it off in the next few weeks. And I'm still holding out hope.<br /><br />Joe Seamhead, I miss Carroll too...JaneBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04882101532666365432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-40490434445921790232010-10-27T04:08:29.895-04:002010-10-27T04:08:29.895-04:00I wish we had kept Jamie Carroll.I wish we had kept Jamie Carroll.Joe Seamheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17000259234420985114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-42524085269621232232010-10-27T00:31:52.153-04:002010-10-27T00:31:52.153-04:00Not sure which I enjoyed more, the article by Mark...Not sure which I enjoyed more, the article by Mark or the comments. I also vote for Keeping Bowden as the worst move and for the same reasons as most, almost all of the other moves were a result of that. I also think the original Guzman signing was one of the few good things he did, even though it didn't work out. At the time he was an AL All-Star, 27 years old and had a great upside. Second on this list is resigning D. Young. Great story but what a waste of money and time. <br /><br /> I read so many solid comments on here and want to change my profile to some sort of couch reference but just can't come up with anything witty. It looks like we are moving from 105 to 205 next year so I will be changing my profile.<br /><br />Also add me to the list of readers that tire of the constant harping about the Lerners. We are not getting new owners and your complaining on any site will not get them to change. I am willing to give Rizzo at least two more years and will be interested to see what the owners do under his leadership.sjm105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-71770634099849186002010-10-26T22:32:48.511-04:002010-10-26T22:32:48.511-04:00Far, far, far and away, without a doubt, the worst...Far, far, far and away, without a doubt, the worst decision on this list and the the one that set the Nats back the most time was retaining Jim Bowden. It's not even close.<br /><br />MAYBE if you combined the Guzman, Gonzalez, Young, LoDuca, and Marquis signings into one colossal "wasted money" mistake, then it would be close, because I think signings like those might make the Lerners hesitant to sign free agents.<br /><br />Bowden was a fat, cocky disaster.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-32157015833722644532010-10-26T22:04:22.718-04:002010-10-26T22:04:22.718-04:00The Dmitri Young contract was the most forseeable ...The Dmitri Young contract was the most forseeable mistake this franchise has made. It boggles my mind they would give Young $5 mil a year at that point in career but won't give Dunn %15 mil a year now. I know its a different regime but still...<br /><br />The Bowden retaining was probably the worst because as others point out all roads lead to this mistake. Trading for Soriano who had no intention of staying here was a mistake. Trading Schneider and Church for Millege was a mistake. Benching Church for Wily Mo Pena in '07 was a mistake. Brandon Watson -- remember him? -- was a mistake. There's a hundred of them but they all lead back to Jim Bowden.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-32145898772715349082010-10-26T21:21:21.719-04:002010-10-26T21:21:21.719-04:00Not trading Dunn for Dan Hudson is still very high...Not trading Dunn for Dan Hudson is still very high on my list. The Nats need solid pitchers.Jeevesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-51931012961317753442010-10-26T18:44:32.010-04:002010-10-26T18:44:32.010-04:00Again, there's apples and oranges in the handb...Again, there's apples and oranges in the handbasket here. The question was, what would you like a mulligan on, *not* what should they have known to do/not do. It makes a difference. Some of the things on Mark's list were arguably not so much mistakes as things that just didn't work out (yet). Crow, for instance, would still be on this list if they HAD signed him, and I think the whole torches and pitchforks argument is vastly over-rated--it doesn't matter if they piss off season ticket holders, IF THEY WIN. It really doesn't. <br />But I'm sticking with my Bowden answer, because having a competent GM from the start is the single thing that would have had the biggest impact on getting good talent and developing it. By now, they coulda been somebody. They coulda been a contenda. Instead of bums. Which is what they are, let's face it, Charlie.Sec3OnTheWaterfrontnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-52209686206378587162010-10-26T18:31:39.834-04:002010-10-26T18:31:39.834-04:00Well, to paraphrase a former baseball owner, "...Well, to paraphrase a former baseball owner, "Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me six years in a row, that's just a six-shooter of shame."<br />Talk about shooting yourself in the foot...Sec3MySofanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-82197227718302780802010-10-26T18:03:12.984-04:002010-10-26T18:03:12.984-04:00Another vote for Bowden (BOWDEN!!!!!). So many of...Another vote for Bowden (BOWDEN!!!!!). So many of these mistakes can be laid at his doorstep. Heyward I don't blame so much, oddly enough, because the draft is such a crap shoot and any team can play the hindsight game with regret.<br /><br />John C.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-18192145734594218972010-10-26T17:44:37.609-04:002010-10-26T17:44:37.609-04:00Great article!!! Now we know why the Nats are wher...Great article!!! Now we know why the Nats are where they are!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-34552492672420376012010-10-26T17:18:43.117-04:002010-10-26T17:18:43.117-04:00NJack...I agree with you about Rizzo but if Lerner...NJack...I agree with you about Rizzo but if Lerner's were done with their meddling ways then Dunn would have been traded back at the July Deadline....it is well sourced that Rizzo did not want to resign him and had a trade he liked and Lerner vetoed it....check Boz Chats for supporting quotes.....I too have been to camp last spring twice and very quickly this fall.....yes big changes from two years ago....but that does not give Lerners a pass for all the mistakes they have made....Show me the wins....I have been a season ticket holder for six years and the list of self inflected Lerner errors is very, very, very long.JayBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11448827055342357809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-88825620717995725442010-10-26T17:04:11.917-04:002010-10-26T17:04:11.917-04:00I hate typing: I meant "not only were his per...I hate typing: I meant "not only were his personnel decisions . . ." and " . . . not because of . . ."Robertohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09639740561105744622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-86312051657029632252010-10-26T17:02:21.901-04:002010-10-26T17:02:21.901-04:00Retaining Bowden was by far the biggest mistake. N...Retaining Bowden was by far the biggest mistake. Not were his personnel decisions disastrous, I read somewhere that he persuaded the owners that the "dumpster diving" approach could yield good results. <br /><br />Re: Detweiler. I'm pretty much convinced that he's a bust. But the Nationals weren't alone in their regard for him. Baseball America shared the Nats' opinion and recall that they named the Nats the biggest "winner" of the 2007 draft and because of Jordan Zimmerman and Derek Norris.Robertohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09639740561105744622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-86845929405258947012010-10-26T17:01:46.688-04:002010-10-26T17:01:46.688-04:00Who hired Davey Johnson last January? I do believe...Who hired Davey Johnson last January? I do believe that was Rizzo and Rizzo only. Not the Lerners, and not Kasten.<br /><br />Who drafted 2 different high schoolers well below their talent level then convinced them to sign at way above slot money? I believe that was Rizzo with the blessings of the Lerners.<br /><br />This past draft is the first completely laid upon Rizzo and the scouting staff he assembled last year. Last years (the Strasburg draft) was a mix of the current scouting staff and left over information from the old staff.<br /><br />It's easy to take pot shots at the owners as any move they make can be seen as meddling or cheap, which ever way you feel but the truth is this organization is now in the hands of true baseball people with a substantial budget and committed to a plan.<br /><br />Rizzo sees Riggleman as a good fit for the type of team he wants to assemble over the near future, but will not tolerate another sub 80 win season. <br /><br />I have not been a fan of the ownership group and their ambivalance to this small but devoted fan base, but I do not think it's because of cheapness and expect to see improvement in their approach to us this coming season. However, I have seen first hand, the baseball operation at it's base level and can tell you, the current situation is leaps and bounds better than it was 2 years ago.NatsJack in Floridanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-26794010211666413532010-10-26T16:54:54.582-04:002010-10-26T16:54:54.582-04:00N. Cognito said...
Anonymous said...
"One p...N. Cognito said... <br />Anonymous said... <br />"One poster mentioned it, but I'll repeat it as well. Not trading Soriano and getting draft picks instead of decent mlb ready prospects was an idotic decision that still bothers me to this day."<br /><br />What were the Nats offered? <br /><br />Me: The Nats turned down Kevin Slowey (they wanted Garza). Slowey was and is still is a solid #3 SP type for the Twins. The Nats should have taken that.Tcostantnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-25687604948766644942010-10-26T16:40:45.950-04:002010-10-26T16:40:45.950-04:00Not only that, but Ryan Howard's looking at a ...Not only that, but Ryan Howard's looking at a called third strike with the game on the line reminded me of someone else I'd seen before too. Oh yeah....Adam Dunn.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-66990355249329282052010-10-26T16:31:03.716-04:002010-10-26T16:31:03.716-04:00And now for something completely different. In wat...And now for something completely different. In watching game 6 of the NLCS, it occurred to me that the (awesome, imo) third strike call of the home plate umpire, where he almost completely turns around at the finish, seemed familiar. Specifically, it reminded me of that of the guy behind the dish for Strasburg's debut this summer. I'd been meaning to look into it when I had a moment, and I just deduced that it is indeed the same fellow, Tom Hallion (thanks, Google). That is one heck of a strikeout motion, imho.<br /><br />We now return you to your regularly scheduled airing of Point-Counterpoint.natsfan1anoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-36716241985068379232010-10-26T16:21:43.681-04:002010-10-26T16:21:43.681-04:00Anon 4:05 said:
"No, what makes them good own...Anon 4:05 said:<br />"No, what makes them good owners is that they keep their meddling hands out of the baseball operations and let the professionals handle it. Which the Lerners have done from day one."<br /><br />Wow, this is bizarre. <br /><br />The Lerners have not in ANY way shown themselves to be good owners.<br /><br />And the Lerners have NOT let the baseball people run things. Why do you think Stan K quit? <br /><br />This is just making stuff up to sound loyal.Sunderlandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-45150989867036665242010-10-26T16:13:39.225-04:002010-10-26T16:13:39.225-04:00Hey, Anon 3:01, let's not be suckered into bel...Hey, Anon 3:01, let's not be suckered into believeing the Rangers are in the World Series with a $55M payroll.<br /><br />They opening day payroll is reported at $55M. They added, among others, Jorge CantĂș, Cliff Lee and Bengie Molina mid-season. Those three guys alone raked in about $20M in 2010.<br /><br />On their playff roster, their top 9 guys in terms of salary cost $55M a year. The other 31 guys on the MLB roster are not playing for free.<br /><br />They've obviously done some things well, but repeating the $55M number isn't legit.Sunderlandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-71142978444073123042010-10-26T16:13:36.114-04:002010-10-26T16:13:36.114-04:00"what makes them good owners is that they kee..."what makes them good owners is that they keep their meddling hands out of the baseball operations and let the professionals handle it. Which the Lerners have done from day one."<br /><br />This is a different topic than the one I was addressing, but...really? What is the basis for your assertion that they have not meddled in baseball operations since day one?<br /><br />Interestingly, if this assertion were true, it would also be inconsistent with the suggestion that Ted Lerner's success in the real estate world will somehow translate to baseball.CoverageisLackinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15289871778773312200noreply@blogger.com