tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post3676573062718779484..comments2024-02-15T05:42:18.307-05:00Comments on Nats Insider: Strasburg has torn elbow ligamentMark Zuckermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13525315258889435961noreply@blogger.comBlogger97125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-6502975638573505592010-08-27T17:38:32.196-04:002010-08-27T17:38:32.196-04:00Thanks I will consider having a blog next season w...Thanks I will consider having a blog next season which wil follow Bryce Harper's path to glory!Harper_ROY_2012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-2829888950321711412010-08-27T16:22:25.379-04:002010-08-27T16:22:25.379-04:00Maybe Harper_ROY_2012 should have his own blog, si...Maybe Harper_ROY_2012 should have his own blog, since he seems to know it all.P. Colehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05595063031128706541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-57252244163506925292010-08-27T15:40:06.348-04:002010-08-27T15:40:06.348-04:00Its not like his career is over. He is most likely...Its not like his career is over. He is most likely going to return in spring 2012 fully back to normal.<br /><br />The 2 biggest problems the nats had this season are lack of consistency up the middle on defense and lack of innings from Marquis and Lannan. <br /><br />Desi looks much improved at this point and Kennedy (or whoever is at 2B) is a defensive upgrade form Guzman. The assortment of ground ball pitchers (Lannan, Marquis, and Livo) should be more effective in front of an improved defense. And if JZimm and Maya can be consistent as and the offense stays intact (Dunn) -- well this could be an 80 win team next season even wiht out Stras.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-38570006673574127912010-08-27T15:25:06.297-04:002010-08-27T15:25:06.297-04:00Michael J. Hayde said...
"Add Strasburg to t...Michael J. Hayde said... <br />"Add Strasburg to that infamous list of "pitcher development." I don't know of ANY other MLB team that has had its hurlers go down as consistently as ours do."<br /><br />How deeply have you researched it?N. Cognitonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-88835462497392109302010-08-27T15:00:04.161-04:002010-08-27T15:00:04.161-04:00Knowing the Stephen is a power pitcher and his imp...Knowing the Stephen is a power pitcher and his improper mechanics led to this injury, he will probably take the full 18 months to come back as he will have to correct his mechanics so that he does not over stress the new tendon. that being said I think he a Spin are going to become very good friends!!! :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-23204614836187098822010-08-27T14:41:52.562-04:002010-08-27T14:41:52.562-04:00...and the guy says, "It's okay, lady, bu......and the guy says, "It's okay, lady, but I don't think I could stand 67 more of those."<br /><br />That's how I feel right now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-43960786677772826762010-08-27T14:37:17.877-04:002010-08-27T14:37:17.877-04:00Attention Henny Penny's of the world...the sky...Attention Henny Penny's of the world...the sky is NOT falling! Big deal, with Stephen's inning cap only a few starts away he probably would have won 3 more games which means he contributed to the Nats winning 8 games, BFD!! We knoew this team was going to stink this year and sure there were those predicting 15 wins for young Stephen this year but that was completely unrealistic as was the expectation that every game he would be as good as his debut.<br /><br />As I predicted the arthogram indicated the injury was much worse than a cramp or strain or whatever. And also as I predicted the next great day in Nats history will be Opening Day 2012, when Stephen toes the rubber for the first time in over a year and Bryce Harper starts in RF!<br /><br />As for the franchise I anticipate season ticket numbers dropping way off the table for next season, with no Stephen, no Bryce, and no Dunn (likely), this team will easily lose 100 games in 2011.<br /><br />Good news, Stephen got his major arm injury out of the way early like JZimm and should be good to go for the next 20 years! Best of luck kid!Harper_ROY_2012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-72801573591175216052010-08-27T14:33:26.400-04:002010-08-27T14:33:26.400-04:00Ladies and gentlemen, the Maalox and bourbon are o...Ladies and gentlemen, the Maalox and bourbon are on me. And you can hold the Maalox.Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_for_Menoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-10376943131937366112010-08-27T14:18:45.966-04:002010-08-27T14:18:45.966-04:00Let's not forget Brian Lawrence, ladies and ge...Let's not forget Brian Lawrence, ladies and gentlemen.<br /><br />We gotta quick getting our MRI's read by the checkout lady at CVS...Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Menoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-57046098044903883392010-08-27T14:05:43.436-04:002010-08-27T14:05:43.436-04:00Especially for peric: we’re each entitled to our o...Especially for peric: we’re each entitled to our opinion. You are. I am. Bloggers are. I have no desire to be drawn into a cycle of attack and defend with you. I won’t be responding to your further comments in that vein, either here or on other blogs in which you’ve commented about me today.natsfan1anoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-82129156619210232122010-08-27T14:04:50.814-04:002010-08-27T14:04:50.814-04:00Uggh! At least I was at his first game. I hope he ...Uggh! At least I was at his first game. I hope he comes back at the same level. FIRE DIBBLE NOW!!! I can't stand the guyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-41899423331659617782010-08-27T13:45:32.612-04:002010-08-27T13:45:32.612-04:00Okay, not to beat a dead horse, but... you want in...Okay, not to beat a dead horse, but... you want infamous? THIS is infamous:<br /><br />Mike Rizzo: "We're certainly not second-guessing ourselves. We've developed a lot of pitchers this way."<br /><br />We sure have; let's do a roll call, shall we? John Patterson, Garrett Mock, Chad Cordero, Ross Detwiler, Collin Balestar, John Lannan, Jordan Zimmermann, J.D. Martin, Tyler Walker... all with injuries of various degrees of severity. <br /><br />Add Strasburg to that infamous list of "pitcher development." I don't know of ANY other MLB team that has had its hurlers go down as consistently as ours do.Michael J. Haydehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08072544837488259305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-38156336488193985072010-08-27T13:44:01.268-04:002010-08-27T13:44:01.268-04:00I saw this on the NJ and thought I'd mention s...I saw this on the NJ and thought I'd mention something here: "Heck, any more pitchers the Nats acquire should head straight to the Tommy John center and have surgery. Get 'er done!"<br /><br />-----<br /><br />They do that now, but without the cutting. It's called "prehab". See, after TJ, the ligament itself isn't any stronger, but they work _very_ hard on strengthening the muscles around it and supporting the elbow during rehab. So the pitchers that come back "better" are the ones that learned better training and mechanics during their rehab.<br /><br />So the A's had their Big Three doing "prehab" 10 years ago. It worked pretty well for them.<br /><br />just sayin'.Kevin Rusch, Section406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-88961868556866877912010-08-27T13:43:16.435-04:002010-08-27T13:43:16.435-04:00Tcostant is right. Losing Strasburg is a big deal...Tcostant is right. Losing Strasburg is a big deal. First off, (as someone pointed out above, but trying to make the opposite point) he might be worth 8 games above a replacement pitcher. Eight games is a lot -- and a team that's currently in fifth can't afford to give up 8 games. Secondly, there's lots of buzz, excitement, pr, etc., that he brings that helps the team in other ways (morale, attendance, being the team that other Free Agents want to be on, attention which can lead to others getting on All Star games, and so forth -- and, of course, bigger attendence (hopefully) leads to more money being spent on free agents, etc.)<br /><br />Smart money owners of teams (and Lerner is apparently of this school) only spend big money if they think their money will give them a chance to get into the playoffs. That's why big money has been spent on the draft. Losing Strasburg makes everyone else worth less next year (e.g., Dunn.) Why pay a big salary next year if it only helps get you to fourth or third place?<br /><br />This is a big deal. Let's hope it goes well, and can get in enough time at the end of 2011 to be in top shape in 2012. (Which is the optimistic version)A DC Wonknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-48264086673330212012010-08-27T13:34:58.971-04:002010-08-27T13:34:58.971-04:00I find it fascinating to find four reformed Mets f...I find it fascinating to find four reformed Mets fans (who all remember Seaver!) on this thread alone. That's cool.<br /><br /><i>even with Willie and Maxwell challenging the Mendoza Line!</i><br /><br />Uhh . . . Maxwell's batting .100 . . . he's going to have to start hitting just to be able to challenge the Mendoza line!<br /><br />As for Dibble . . . I've been complaining about him all year. His latest comments are simply a slightly more extreme version of the inanity he's been spouting the whole season. (Somebody in that other thread asked: "so why do you listen to him" My answer: believe me, I wouldn't if I didn't want to watch the games! Slowes and Jageler are a top notch team, but my only AM radio is in my car, and my only TV's are in my house.)A DC Wonknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-90957463463504805292010-08-27T13:27:00.321-04:002010-08-27T13:27:00.321-04:00Some on these boards just don't get it. This ...Some on these boards just don't get it. This is nothing short of a disaster. Even though Jordan Zimm was gonna be a two next year, the first year after coming back from TJ surgery is always sketchy. Liriano wasn't the same as before for years. Next year was gonna be the year that Strasburg fought the #1 on the other teams, while Zimm found his way back, so that 2011 we would be ready. Now Zimm needs to go vs. the #1 on other teams and will struggle in that role while re-learning how to pitch. Plus, you know there gonna baby Strasburg, you won't see him at all next year and maybe starts in the bigs in 2012 around mid-year. It a very sad day, as having a true #1 makes a world of difference and now we won't have that.<br /><br />We will not be relevant until 2012 now.Tcostantnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-88772270169279966532010-08-27T13:11:48.219-04:002010-08-27T13:11:48.219-04:00Doc, there are enough reformed Mets fans in this g...Doc, there are enough reformed Mets fans in this group to join you. If we could believe in them all those years, we can (and do) (speaking for myself) believe in the Nats now.<br /><br />Interesting stuff about how the push the kids in LL and that may contribute to the injuries. <br /><br />Nastfan 1a -- thanks for sticking up for collegial commenting.<br /><br />Anonymous at 11:27: The Red Sox story is exactly what I am talking about. They have an organized group of about a thousand people using active intention to help that team. And it's working!JaneBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04882101532666365432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-23867610069022043362010-08-27T12:52:12.573-04:002010-08-27T12:52:12.573-04:00The Nats will survive! Can't stop cheerin'...The Nats will survive! Can't stop cheerin' the best of the team and makin' fun of the worst. A Nats fan, is a Nats fan, is a Nats fan--even with Willie and Maxwell challenging the Mendoza Line!<br /><br />SS will return to a stronger team, and lead us into the playoffs. Ya gotta believe!Dochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17614998804163989623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-84336562227450384902010-08-27T12:52:04.724-04:002010-08-27T12:52:04.724-04:00and speaking of blowing your lid:
"That'...and speaking of blowing your lid:<br /><br />"That's the biggest bunch of crap I've ever read. There's another inane post of the day. What Dibble said was reprehensible as Gammon's said. Defending the guy seems a bit out there to me ... but hey everyone is entitled to pass their hot air I suppose ... <br />August 27, 2010 11:45 AM"<br /><br />And do so anonymously, too, evidently.Sec3MyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-90221190986119996132010-08-27T12:50:15.889-04:002010-08-27T12:50:15.889-04:00Sorry guys, Kilgore is wrong about this.
Article...Sorry guys, Kilgore is wrong about this. <br /><br />Article XXI(A)(2) of the MLB collective bargaining agreement, "For purposes of calculating credited service, a Player will be considered to be on a Club’s Active List if:<br />(a) ... on the Disabled List ...<br /><br />And for good measure, Article XIX(C) "There shall be no assignment of a Player by a Major League Club to a Minor League club while such Player is on a Major League Disabled List."NGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-21811023497111965912010-08-27T12:46:24.958-04:002010-08-27T12:46:24.958-04:00But seriously, you can't compare these guys to...But seriously, you can't compare these guys to normal people. They're like Indy cars--running at the full limit of their ability for hours on end (well, except for Livo and a few others who seem to have the secret).<br />"I drove my pickup to work and back every day for ten years and never blew the engine!" <br />You weren't driving it at 200 mph for several hours without a break.<br />[obligatory Dibble comment deferred here]sec3mysofanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-27867340246587505312010-08-27T12:41:16.268-04:002010-08-27T12:41:16.268-04:00I was going by what AK just posted:
http://voices....I was going by what AK just posted:<br />http://voices.washingtonpost.com/nationalsjournal/2010/08/the_bright_side_of_stephen_str.html<br /><br />"Away from the field, Strasburg will be placed on the 60-day disabled list, which means he will not accumulate any service time until he returns to the majors. The Nationals will still control him for six full seasons -- eight actual years now -- before he becomes eligible for free agency. The surgery will not affect his status as a future National."Sec3ButICouldBeMistakennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-84647993815248199102010-08-27T12:38:40.330-04:002010-08-27T12:38:40.330-04:00How come players long ago didn't get Tommy Joh...How come players long ago didn't get Tommy John surgery? Were they tougher, or was it because John hadn't been born yet?Sec3MySofanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-71508658676746053582010-08-27T12:38:34.845-04:002010-08-27T12:38:34.845-04:00@12:24. Yes, time on the 15 or 60 day disabled li...@12:24. Yes, time on the 15 or 60 day disabled list counts as major league service time, so his free agent clock will be ticking during rehab. And no the Nats cannot option him and keep him on the DL in the minors to avoid this. Double Whammy.NGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-42907903821508809692010-08-27T12:34:42.004-04:002010-08-27T12:34:42.004-04:00@anon 12:24: No, he's on (or soon will be on) ...@anon 12:24: No, he's on (or soon will be on) the 60-day DL, so the clock stops.Sec3MyAchingElbownoreply@blogger.com