tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post324554552300370179..comments2024-02-15T05:42:18.307-05:00Comments on Nats Insider: Zim's plea to re-sign DunnMark Zuckermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13525315258889435961noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-1375002291700202692010-11-12T09:19:33.654-05:002010-11-12T09:19:33.654-05:00This is a tough subject, I agree with Zim that hav...This is a tough subject, I agree with Zim that having a dependable guy in the #4 hole makes sense, but at the same time with Marerro tearling up Winter ball, I wonder if signing Derek Lee or Adam LaRoche to a 2 year deal is not a bad idea and let Marerro get some playing time before 2013.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-49617696234999314102010-11-11T20:53:24.241-05:002010-11-11T20:53:24.241-05:00Whst a great mix of delusional and insightful here...Whst a great mix of delusional and insightful here today ... srsly. Great stuff!sec3misofanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-85044695355597940302010-11-11T20:45:01.266-05:002010-11-11T20:45:01.266-05:00politics.....keep fans happy and keep Zimm happy.....politics.....keep fans happy and keep Zimm happy....believe me it is not going to happen....Rizzo is going to sign a second tier FA to a one year deal at first.....Defense first and any contact hitting next....Rizzo wants to win and that is how you win in the National league....pitching, defense, sound fundamentals.......that is Rizzo's planJayBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11448827055342357809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-47847802131039966572010-11-11T19:41:23.651-05:002010-11-11T19:41:23.651-05:00JayB, if Rizzo doesn't want Dunn back, why did...JayB, if Rizzo doesn't want Dunn back, why did he say as recently as last night that re-signing Dunn is his first choice? Nothing to be gained by posturing about that now. It's too late to get anything back for Dunn in trade, so no need to be talking up Dunn's value for the benefit of other teams. And if they sign anyone else other than Dunn now it would just say to that player that he really wasn't Rizzo's first choice. So why would Rizzo say that Dunn is his first choice if that's not true?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-35504515380605820342010-11-11T18:16:41.879-05:002010-11-11T18:16:41.879-05:00As I said back in August, Rizzo does not want Dunn...As I said back in August, Rizzo does not want Dunn back. His defense is that bad. Rizzo has better places to spend that kind of money over the next 4 years. Pitching is what wins, not HRs. Dunn is fun on a losing team, if Rizzo can put together a winner, nobody will miss Dunn except Zimm who seems to really like him personally. Dunn has always been on a losing team. Rizzo is right to turn the page on anything Jimbo did.JayBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11448827055342357809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-15419514558038554412010-11-11T17:47:57.891-05:002010-11-11T17:47:57.891-05:00I exaggerated on the league leaders in K's - D...I exaggerated on the league leaders in K's - Dunn was 2cnd at 199 and 7 players were within 40 of Dunn. My points still the same and I'm happy if he goes. (Now were's Joey Votto when we need him...)<br /><br />NatsliferAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-52229665647808704492010-11-11T17:37:21.664-05:002010-11-11T17:37:21.664-05:00Anon @ 11:39 - You're on the same page as me. ...Anon @ 11:39 - You're on the same page as me. Here's the way I look at it... Dunn had the worst year in his career this year for situational hitting (anyone remember when he was low .100's with RISP and .000 with RISP/2 outs after two months in the season???). He finished the year at .217/.169 with 199 K's (leading the league by about 40, right?). So with the same setup hitters, a hitter who hits .250/.250 (any hitter) without all the home runs could have the same 100 RBIs for us next year and not be the rally killer Dunn is the rest of the time.<br /><br />We'll all see what everyone else thinks of him after he signs a contract but I'll be happy not gritting my teeth while I watch him flailing at another strike 3.<br /><br />And he's no Ryan Howard... Howard really made his bones in '08 when he had 146 RBIs and hit .320 with RISP/.250 overall. That was a guy no one wanted to face when the pressure was on and who really made it happen when he needed to. <br /><br />NatsliferAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-23636257968738491502010-11-11T17:08:59.205-05:002010-11-11T17:08:59.205-05:00@ Alex - a fair point, but looking back at Pena...@ Alex - a fair point, but looking back at Pena's HR production, his career average looks to be more like ~25.<br /><br />So let's do the annoying Player A/B test:<br /><br />PLAYER A: OPS .732, but career has been more like .840 and last year was the first aberration. 28 HR, BB% of 14.9. Fielding .995, 6Es and UZR is -3.7 this season (although he was worse last season). WAR has dropped the past 4 years and was 1.0 last year (down from 6.2 four years ago) <br /><br />PLAYER B: OPS .842 although there are some hints it’s starting to slowly go downhill. 39HR, BB% of 11.9%, but career has been more like 16% and last year was the first aberration. Fielding .990, 13Es (career high) and UZR/150 is -3.3 this season. WAR was a disaster the last two years but is now 3.9.<br /><br />Yes, the HRs tip it off. And while UZR/150 isn’t a perfect metric, defensively they seem fairly comparable. <br /><br />SIGN ADAM DUNN. Pena’s more likely to have some kind of revert-to-form year (given Dunn’s form is what it is), but there are some hints he’s sliding, too.Neato Torpedonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-47496080005433736112010-11-11T16:40:09.943-05:002010-11-11T16:40:09.943-05:00Doesn't matter if you have a gold glove first ...Doesn't matter if you have a gold glove first baseman or not...the one thing that is holding the Nats back is starting pitching. Thats what wins and when that is notched up, it won't matter who is on first, they'll win. JTinSCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-57593896364361417912010-11-11T16:00:19.421-05:002010-11-11T16:00:19.421-05:00That's even better! Thanks, NatsJack.That's even better! Thanks, NatsJack.natsfan1anoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-54665748533122486422010-11-11T15:27:12.231-05:002010-11-11T15:27:12.231-05:00natsfan 1a... I actually miscounted. There are 95 ...natsfan 1a... I actually miscounted. There are 95 days till pitchers and catchers voluntarily report. The rest of the squad is a week or so later. The pitchers and catchers can report 2/13/11.NatsJack in Floridanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-35456846078023383112010-11-11T15:12:26.824-05:002010-11-11T15:12:26.824-05:00natsfan 1a.... and I meant "can report VOLUNT...natsfan 1a.... and I meant "can report VOLUNTARILY, not involuntarily. That would be March 1, 2011.NatsJack in Floridanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-15611332198656005512010-11-11T15:03:13.863-05:002010-11-11T15:03:13.863-05:00Thanks, NatsJack. Let the countdown begin...Thanks, NatsJack. Let the countdown begin...natsfan1anoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-70134631564840657882010-11-11T14:52:27.130-05:002010-11-11T14:52:27.130-05:00I wanted Dunn re-signed too, but for all the chatt...I wanted Dunn re-signed too, but for all the chatter about his defense, anyone look at his numbers against lefties last year? A sub-.200 BA and a .720 OPS or so. That's the kind of foreshadowing of old skills that terrifies GMs.<br /><br />Now, I admit, that's what Pena hit against everyone last year, but Pena had very similar numbers to Adam before last year, plays better D, could be signed for less time (see what happens with Marrero, Tyler Moore, Adrian Gonzalez, etc.) and money (as long as it's reinvested in pitching).<br /><br />I'm starting to turn...Alexnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-91766770974674263302010-11-11T14:31:06.986-05:002010-11-11T14:31:06.986-05:00Anon (2:20) - no argument, what I thought a little...Anon (2:20) - no argument, what I thought a little interesting/odd is that Zim is going to bat for him in the media and then he says this? At least, so says the guy that has unabashedly wanted Dunn resigned.Wallyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01557557989122256161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-79266832649157756532010-11-11T14:24:10.577-05:002010-11-11T14:24:10.577-05:00natsfan 1a ..... I've goy 99 days till pitcher...natsfan 1a ..... I've goy 99 days till pitchers and catchers can report involuntarily.NatsJack in Floridanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-8573319564827991602010-11-11T14:20:32.244-05:002010-11-11T14:20:32.244-05:00Wally -
Hahaha, if Zimmerman's throw's w...Wally - <br /><br />Hahaha, if Zimmerman's throw's were accurate enough to hit Dunn and leave a bruise, then those throws should be caught.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-16530956505240933822010-11-11T14:11:28.625-05:002010-11-11T14:11:28.625-05:00Here is an interesting tweet from a Cincinnati spo...Here is an interesting tweet from a Cincinnati sportswriter named John Fay (@johnfayman), responding to someone else about the National League Gold Glove awards. Maybe Adam is getting a little 'defensive' <br /><br />"No shock to me about Rolen over Zimmerman. Talked to Dunn about Zimmerman's throws. He had the bruises to show the inconsistency". about 19 hours ago via TwitterrificWallyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01557557989122256161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-22958436249495419492010-11-11T13:10:51.239-05:002010-11-11T13:10:51.239-05:00anonymous 11:50 said: "He (Zimmerman)slings t...anonymous 11:50 said: "He (Zimmerman)slings the ball sidearm now on almost every throw to first base." To which I would say, "Just like Cal Ripken, the Hall of Famer." There are no style points.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-52487877171207903062010-11-11T13:10:01.492-05:002010-11-11T13:10:01.492-05:00I don't know what's on the table, nor can ...I don't know what's on the table, nor can I read the minds of any of the parties involved in negotiations. Sure, it gets tiresome waiting but we'll see what happens when it happens. Until then, I'm not going to get spun up about it (I've got a few other things in line ahead of it in that regard; none of them Nats-related).<br /><br />On another note, I'm not partial to the between-innings entertainment either but it's what happens between the lines that keeps me (and will keep me) coming back. Just. Play. Ball. (What's the countdown to spring training, again?)natsfan1anoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-58598251043334575702010-11-11T12:45:16.144-05:002010-11-11T12:45:16.144-05:00@Golfersal
I don't think Zimmerman is blaming...@Golfersal<br /><br />I don't think Zimmerman is blaming anyone. Zimm says, "He's a little upset that stuff didn't get done. But that was not the team's fault." Sure, Dunn wanted to make a deal and the team wanted to wait, that's business. Then Zimm says, "Obviously, it just makes sense for him business-wise and career-wise to at least go out and see what's out there. That's not to say he won't come back here, or he won't be here or he doesn't want to be here." Also, smart business on Dunn's part. Reports are the Nats have an offer on the table to Dunn. Now Dunn and his agent have to decide if he can get a better deal out on the open market. It's naive to think that Dunn would jump at whatever contract the Nats put in front of him. <br /><br />Also, regarding your suggestion about giving bonuses for number of homers and other stats. Teams are only allowed to give bonuses based on number of games played (or number of games started for pitchers) and awards such as MVP, All-Star selection, Cy Young, Silver Slugger, etc. I'm not sure if "Home Run Champ" counts as one of these special awards. But the Nats definitely are not allowed to give bonuses based on number of walk off hits.SpashCitynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-73881920169328041682010-11-11T12:44:39.703-05:002010-11-11T12:44:39.703-05:00What makes any of us think we know more than Zim a...What makes any of us think we know more than Zim about Adam's value to the team, in all ways, and about the negotiations? We don't know how much money is on the table; you can bet HE does. He is talking to all of baseball, not just Rizzo and the Lerners. <br />Sign. Adam. Dunn.<br />Sign. Adam. Dunn.JaneBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04882101532666365432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-27279750397181604182010-11-11T12:33:54.497-05:002010-11-11T12:33:54.497-05:00I agree with those that say that Zimmerman should ...I agree with those that say that Zimmerman should be pointing his displeasure to Adam Dunn. He makes over $10 million a year in a very poor economy and really hasn't led to Nationals to anything. I think that Rizzo is a very smart guy and sees the value of Dunn, but at a certain price.<br />I am sorry, don't feel any pain on this and Zimmerman is pointing his frustration in the wrong direction. Guess we will find out soon but I wouldn't give Adam a contract over three years and one that pays a total of $35 million plus incentives like giving him a million dollar bonus for over 40 homeruns in a year, $100,000 bonus for walkoff hits, bonus for getting the Nats to the playoffs. That is smart baseball, not given some player that is above average $60 million for four years.Golfersalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-33156736515639507092010-11-11T12:18:44.401-05:002010-11-11T12:18:44.401-05:00Agree with Kevin (10:40) regarding the emphasis on...Agree with Kevin (10:40) regarding the emphasis on attracting non-baseball folks to the park for an "entertainment experience" rather than the actual game. The almost-continuous flow of gimmick stuff annoys me to the point that I keep asking myself "Why do I keep going to games?" It's not an easy travel process from Upper Montgomery. Despite waiting 35 years for MLB, one of these times I'm afraid that I'll decide that it's not worth the effort and just listen to the radio.Slidellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-26690058651736196092010-11-11T12:02:59.123-05:002010-11-11T12:02:59.123-05:00Zim's plea should have been to Dunn (not Rizzo...Zim's plea should have been to Dunn (not Rizzo) -- sign for the 3 years you were offered!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com