tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post2589162189219897062..comments2024-02-15T05:42:18.307-05:00Comments on Nats Insider: Rotation decisions loomingMark Zuckermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13525315258889435961noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-10901871587904482462010-08-04T22:20:45.000-04:002010-08-04T22:20:45.000-04:00Starters:
Strasburg
Maya
JZimm
Marquis
Livo
Bull...Starters:<br /><br />Strasburg<br />Maya<br />JZimm<br />Marquis<br />Livo<br /><br />Bullpen:<br /><br />Storen<br />Peralta<br />Clippard<br />Slaten<br />Burnett<br />Batista<br />Olsen<br /><br />Send down:<br />Lannan<br />BallyStar<br />Stammen<br />DetweilerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-22784823666083770492010-08-04T22:11:10.885-04:002010-08-04T22:11:10.885-04:00Oh and if Wang is healthy he takes Atliano's s...Oh and if Wang is healthy he takes Atliano's spot in Syracuse, if he dominates we bring him up, if he blows we cut our losses and move on.Wily Mo Petersonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-49853563280627441012010-08-04T22:07:59.200-04:002010-08-04T22:07:59.200-04:002011 Rotation:
Stras
Zimm
Marquis
Maya
Lannan
O...2011 Rotation:<br /><br />Stras<br />Zimm<br />Marquis<br />Maya <br />Lannan<br /><br />Olsen is gone, Livo thanks for the memories but their is no room at the inn, Stammen to the bullpen, Detwiler Chico Martis Atilano and Aaron Thompson make up AAA rotation.Wily Mo Petersonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-73985479960927373262010-08-04T20:32:29.840-04:002010-08-04T20:32:29.840-04:00Marquis makes 7.5 million and does not have option...Marquis makes 7.5 million and does not have options he will pitch when he has to come off the rehab assignment. Livo will continue to pitch this year and unless he blows up he will be signed next year to mentor Maya something Rizzo really likes to do in case you weren't paying attention this year. Maya will pitch if he is any good and Zimmerman will pitch this year very late August and will start next year so that leaves Olsen, Lannan and Stammen all of which I think still have options although I'm not sure if Olsen does or not. As for next year I think there is a good chance Stammen goes to the pen and that Olsen is low balled a contact before arbitration and the same may be done for Lannan except I think Rizzo likes Lannan which should help him a little. So this year until September <br /><br />Marquis<br />Strasburg<br />Olsen<br />Livo<br />with options and the pen playing they most important part of the Lannan, Stammen, Detwiler decision. <br /><br />Maya will replace Strasburg and Zimmerman will come up in September. <br /><br />Next year<br />Strasburg<br />Zimmerman<br />Livo and Maya are a pair if Maya pitches well Livo will make the rotation.<br />Marquis if they are unable to trade his salary.<br /><br />Stammen may be in the pen otherwise his options will have him sent down to AAA.<br />Olsen if they can sign him before arbitration will be in the line up if Marquis is traded otherwise Maya and injuries will decide his fate. <br />Lannan signs before arbitration then he is first or second to come up after injury. <br /><br />See its simple:P.Tegwarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05014621891563545863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-89124151753620349892010-08-04T19:53:00.844-04:002010-08-04T19:53:00.844-04:00My first move would be to have Strasburg replace L...My first move would be to have Strasburg replace Lannan. Then when Marquis is activated I would go with a 6 man rotation. Based on what Mark has written and what I've read on Nationals Journal, neither Zimmermann nor Maya sound like they will be up until late August. If need be, you send down a player with options until 9/1 and then recall them. Then you continue with a 6 man rotation. At that point, you let Strasburg get his innings provided he is healthy and I believe you have to give Zimmermann, Detwiler, Maya, and Marquis an opportunity to stay in the rotation. That leaves Olsen, Stammen and Hernandez, of which 2 would need to move to the bullpen. Despite being our most consistent pitcher all season, you know what you have in Hernandez, so I would move him to the pen and choose between the other two. Keep in mind Zimmermann is only going to go 5 innings, so you could use one of the guys in long relief behind him. Kinda crazy, but I think it could work and would leave us in a better position to make some decisions for next season.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-5376204051048335892010-08-04T18:44:24.980-04:002010-08-04T18:44:24.980-04:00Trade Livan. Trade Marquis if you can. Move Stamme...Trade Livan. Trade Marquis if you can. Move Stammen to the pen. See what the young guys (or in the case of Maya, the new guy) can do. Problem solved.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-12081955695374761752010-08-04T18:13:13.948-04:002010-08-04T18:13:13.948-04:00Lannan looks the least effective. If Stammen goes ...Lannan looks the least effective. If Stammen goes seven tonight Lannan and Balester are off to Syracuse and get swapped for Marquis and Zimmermann.<br />They can release Harris to get another bullpen guy until the rosters expand. Riggleman can't have both of his man crushes when the team needs to evaluate starting pitching for next year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-31303137458505633822010-08-04T18:10:36.340-04:002010-08-04T18:10:36.340-04:00Oh, and Chico! Instead of Atilano/Thompson.Oh, and Chico! Instead of Atilano/Thompson.blog princehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07323808484089652556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-71365248300501115182010-08-04T18:07:22.873-04:002010-08-04T18:07:22.873-04:00This is a nice problem to have!!This is a nice problem to have!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-55266458589689201792010-08-04T17:40:45.302-04:002010-08-04T17:40:45.302-04:00This is admittedly a little crazy, and they'll...This is admittedly a little crazy, and they'll never do it, but when the rosters expand in September, they should go with a 10 man rotation and give each guy three guaranteed starts to see where they stand. Strasburg, Zimmerman, Maya, Detweiler, Olsen, Stammen, Lannan, Marquis, Hernandez, Atilano or maybe bring up Thompson and give him a shot. On their 5th day when they don't pitch, have 'em throw a simulated game.blog princehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07323808484089652556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-38551572431607275172010-08-04T17:38:59.573-04:002010-08-04T17:38:59.573-04:00JayB said 'just took advantage of the Rizzo...JayB said 'just took advantage of the Rizzo's failure this past off season to sign another Vet starter'.<br /><br /> Tell me which starter who was on the market this past off season should Rizzo have signed?<br /><br /> Share your off season plan with us; who else specifically should we have signed and what should our payroll budget have been?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-54248434751639875722010-08-04T17:10:16.922-04:002010-08-04T17:10:16.922-04:00Lannan is a fine #5 but that is it...you can not h...Lannan is a fine #5 but that is it...you can not have a rotation of soft toss lefties and win anything. Olsen is better than Lannan is better than Chico but the organization is full of #5 type soft tossing left handed pitchers......JayBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11448827055342357809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-36452487617024699072010-08-04T17:05:08.028-04:002010-08-04T17:05:08.028-04:00lost all hope for Lannan? all he has to do is rega...lost all hope for Lannan? all he has to do is regain his location, and he'll be effective again. i thought he was fine against philly. striking out the side, the heart of the phillies order in the raining 5th, to keep us in the game with two and no outs was impressive. hopefully that helped his confidence.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12920783017558168652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-88273922517953440592010-08-04T16:49:53.830-04:002010-08-04T16:49:53.830-04:00Strasburg/Zimmermann
Livan
Marquis
Maya
Olsen
Mov...Strasburg/Zimmermann<br />Livan<br />Marquis<br />Maya<br />Olsen<br /><br />Move Stammen to the bullpen. Release Balester.SilverSpring8noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-55248893921028042912010-08-04T16:48:05.359-04:002010-08-04T16:48:05.359-04:00Stras/Zimm, Livan, Marquis, Maya, Stammen. All of...Stras/Zimm, Livan, Marquis, Maya, Stammen. All of these guys carry at least 1 big question mark, physical or otherwise. If they all meet or exceed expectations, we will truly have something to look forward to in 2011. I am doubtful they all will. I think that the others will have more opportunities before it's all over.Slidellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-85947866223063538852010-08-04T16:03:53.856-04:002010-08-04T16:03:53.856-04:00NatsJack,
You may not love Marquis but we owe him...NatsJack,<br /><br />You may not love Marquis but we owe him 7.5 mil for next year so you know he is the rotation; not so sure about Olsen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-86230868442327258622010-08-04T15:53:31.499-04:002010-08-04T15:53:31.499-04:00Scary but I also agree with JayB... Detwiler needs...Scary but I also agree with JayB... Detwiler needs a full season of AAA work to 1. build his innings count and 2. Prove that he can go every fifth day and consistently win.<br /><br />I've lost all hope for John Lannan, not that I had that much to begin with and Livo definitely needs to be considered the #5 on any staff we put together. I'm not enamored with Marquis as I believe he signed his contract knowing he was damaged goods so that leaves me with Strasburg, J Zimm when he's ready, Maya when he's ready, Olsen and Livo. <br />Stammen and Marquis can fill in till the others are ready.NatsJack in Floridanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-47099673739210137972010-08-04T15:39:58.575-04:002010-08-04T15:39:58.575-04:00I have to agree with JayB that Detwiler needs to h...I have to agree with JayB that Detwiler needs to have the ability to throw the ball past the hitters; when you constantly let the hitter put the ball in play the odds are that you will eventually get hurt; few pitchers (Derek Lowe) are good enough to force a steady stream of weak hit ground balls; ask John Lannan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-83305542974489852162010-08-04T15:26:33.862-04:002010-08-04T15:26:33.862-04:00Yup Ross D was at 94-95 just last Sept in a start ...Yup Ross D was at 94-95 just last Sept in a start against the Dodgers. <br /><br />PFX in Gameday at MLB.com for that games last year vs this year shows his fastball is not the same as last year. I like him but he is not ready yet. Send him down and let him get stronger.JayBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11448827055342357809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-62380877156015828002010-08-04T15:01:22.606-04:002010-08-04T15:01:22.606-04:00Detwiler was drafted with a 94-95 MPH fastball. H...Detwiler was drafted with a 94-95 MPH fastball. He lost it over the past few years with injury and Randy SC mechanics change ....If he is not going to get it back then what we have is Olsen at best.JayBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11448827055342357809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-89325162520801048522010-08-04T14:33:37.661-04:002010-08-04T14:33:37.661-04:00Detwiler must stay. He's always been a 90-92...Detwiler must stay. He's always been a 90-92 guy, not a 94-95 guy. And he's always been skinny. I agree he needs to continue to build up stamina (not necessarily arm strength), but he must do it in the bigs so we can get a better look at him. Marquis is ready now, not in two weeks, and we need to see what he has to get a better idea of next year. Lannan didn't show me anything that says he deserves to stay, so I think it's a no-brainer to send him back down - to AAA this time. Stammen moves to the 'pen and Balester goes down. I would then throw Marquis in Lannan's spot (with Strasburg taking Stammen's turn). <br /><br />Zimmermann takes Strasburg's place and Maya takes Olsen's spot with Olsen going to the 'pen taking Slaten's place. So I would have it:<br /><br />Strasburg/Zim<br />Livan<br />Detwiler<br />Marquis<br />Maya<br /><br />Olsen and Stammen to the 'pen replacing Balester and Slaten. Lannan to AAA.<br /><br />This of course assumes everyone comes back before September and corresponding moves must be made. Detwiler, Marquis and Maya all need the innings, so they must all start. Olsen and Stammen can move to the 'pen (where they will probably be next year anyway). Zimmermann takes over for Strasburg (or maybe they alternate starts). Lannan becomes the minor league pitcher he's always been, as do Balester and Slaten. <br /><br />I also think there is a good chance a pitcher is moved thru waivers (maybe even Livan) which helps to sort this out. But bottom line, we have to give priority to the young, rehabbing and/or Cuban.courtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-78944642517110867602010-08-04T14:15:50.161-04:002010-08-04T14:15:50.161-04:00Oh yeah, this is my rotation hope for next year:
S...Oh yeah, this is my rotation hope for next year:<br />Strasburg<br />Zimmermann<br />Marquis<br />Maya<br />Livo/Olsen/Detwiler/Lannan/Chico (lots of lefties)Avarhttp://natsinsider.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-51172477742882376762010-08-04T14:06:22.714-04:002010-08-04T14:06:22.714-04:00Oh and Lannan - needs a lot of luck as he doesn...Oh and Lannan - needs a lot of luck as he doesn't strike anyone out; I like him but always thought that he walks to much of a tightrope to succeed long term.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-62668221915076670532010-08-04T14:03:14.955-04:002010-08-04T14:03:14.955-04:00It's still mostly quantity and not so much gua...It's still mostly quantity and not so much guaranteed quality.<br /><br /> 1) Strasburg - sure thing but with innings limit for 2011 and the predictable sophomore bumps.<br /><br /> 2) Zimermann - Almost a sure thing but with innings limits in 2011 and coming off surgery.<br /><br /> 3) Livon - Having a great year but history says that his career numbers project more like a no, 5 starter than top of the rotation; may be a good idea to 'sell high'.<br /><br /> 4) Maya - Too unknown to project; if he succeeds as a 2 or 3 it will be a tremendous boost.<br /><br /> 5) Detwiler - I'm not convinced about him one way or another yet; agree with JayB that he needs to bulk up some and add a few MPH to his fastball.<br /><br /> 6) Olsen - doesn't miss enough bats; needs a lot of luck to succeed; not sure if he will be in the plans for 2011.<br /><br /> 7) Marquis - projects well as a 3 or 4; should bounce back with a good year next year.<br /><br /> 8) Wang - who knows?<br /><br /> 9) Stammen, Martin, Atilano - if any of them are in the rotation next year we will have another losing season.<br /><br /> As you can see I am talking about 2011; I don't think that this year is an issue because SS will be shutdown and many of the others are coming back from injury and can pitch in the minors if necessary to accumulate innings and build up arm strength.<br /><br /> If enough of the projections work out positively and we don't have to use AAA pitchers in the rotation we can be a .500 team in 2011 and there is potential for much better beyond 2011 when the young pitchers can go all out without limits.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-22908650557901500342010-08-04T13:54:04.653-04:002010-08-04T13:54:04.653-04:00I think 1:23 pretty much got it right. Have to tak...I think 1:23 pretty much got it right. Have to take Detwiler over Olsen because he is still unknown. Olsen is known at this point. He's a #4 starter on a good team. I think he probably doesn't come back next year. Too expensive for what he can offer.<br /><br />Speaking of next year; Lannan, Chico and Olsen are all due for arbitration. I already covered Olsen but what do they do w/ Lannan and Chico? Also, what do they do w/ Livo? He's a FA and makes $900k this year. After a career year, he'll get a raise but is he worth the risk that he will better next year than the alternatives?<br /><br />Really tough off-season for Rizzo. Even tougher than the Aug/Sep rotation I think.Avarhttp://natsinsider.comnoreply@blogger.com