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Photo by Mark Zuckerman / NATS INSIDER Danny Espinosa and Wilson Ramos will be uniform for the series finale at Sun Life Stadium. |
The bigger surprise, though, is that Ryan Zimmerman is not in the Nationals' lineup. Zim has been given a very rare day off, something Jim Riggleman has talked about doing and did with Adam Dunn not long ago.
No Danny Espinosa or Wilson Ramos in the lineup tonight, either. I would suspect Espinosa will start Friday night in Pittsburgh, and I would suspect Ramos will get a start sometime during that weekend series as well.
Check back for updates throughout the evening...
NATIONALS at MARLINS
Where: Sun Life Stadium
Gametime: 7:10 p.m.
TV: MASN2
Radio: WFED-1500 AM, WWFD-820 AM
Weather: Partly cloudy, 85 degrees, Wind 17 mph in from RF
STARTING LINEUPS
NATIONALS (57-76)
CF Nyjer Morgan
SS Ian Desmond
LF Roger Bernadina
1B Adam Dunn
RF Michael Morse
2B Adam Kennedy
3B Alberto Gonzalez
C Wil Nieves
P Scott Olsen
MARLINS (66-65)
CF Cameron Maybin
LF Logan Morrison
SS Hanley Ramirez
1B Gaby Sanchez
2B Donnie Murphy
3B Wes Helms
RF Mike Stanton
C Brad Davis
P Chris Volstad
7:01 p.m. -- Real quick before we get started, Ryan Zimmerman is not in the lineup tonight because of a nagging injury to his right side, according to Jim Riggleman. Zimmerman tried to convince Riggleman to let him play, but the manager decided to give him a breather today, plus tomorrow's off-day, to fully recover.
7:12 p.m. -- So much for fireworks. Chris Volstad didn't come close to plunking Nyjer Morgan to start the game. Instead, the Marlins starter struck out the Nats' leadoff man. Major letdown.
7:18 p.m. -- On the bright side, the Nats did take a 1-0 lead thanks to a two-out RBI single by Michael Morse, bringing Ian Desmond home.
7:25 p.m. -- FYI: Brett Hayes, the catcher Nyjer Morgan bowled over last night, has been diagnosed with a separated left shoulder. He's likely done for the season.
7:37 p.m. -- Terrible first inning for Scott Olsen against his former team. He allowed five of the first six Marlins he faced to reach safely and served up RBI doubles to Hanley Ramirez and Wes Helms. Backup catcher Brad Davis also doubled in a run, giving the Marlins a 5-1 lead. For what it's worth, Yunesky Maya is making his final start at Syracuse tonight and would slide perfectly into Olsen's spot in the Nationals' rotation.
7:47 p.m. -- The Nats storm right back and score twice in the second behind RBI hits from Morgan and Desmond, cutting the lead to 5-3.
7:59 p.m. -- That's it for Scott Olsen. Terrible start for the lefty. He faced 15 batters, 10 of which reached safely. His line: 1.2 ip, 8 h, 8 er, 2 bb, 1 k. And he's still responsible for one more man on base. Might this be the last time we see Olsen on the mound this season? Might this be the last time we see him in a Nats uniform ever?
8:03 p.m. -- Craig Stammen's third pitch is blasted over the left field scoreboard by Mike Stanton. Marlins lead 10-3 in the second, nine of those runs charged to Olsen.
8:12 p.m. -- So Chris Volstad has now hit both Wil Nieves and Alberto Gonzalez in the game's first three innings. It appears his plan is to plunk everyone not named Nyjer Morgan.
8:25 p.m. -- It's now 13-3 Marlins in the third. Good opportunity to see how good Ray Knight is at keeping a terrible game interesting.
8:27 p.m. -- 14-3 IN THE THIRD INNING.
8:33 p.m. -- And there's the retaliation. Volstad plunks Morgan in the ribs with one out in the fourth. Nyjer trots down to first, doesn't say anything. Then he steals second. Down 11 runs. Then he steals third. Down 11 runs. And then he scores by tagging up on a pop-up behind second in which Donnie Murphy fell over and injured his right arm trying to brace his fall. Didn't look good at all. Murphy was helped off the field by a trainer.
8:52 p.m. -- 15-5 now as we head to the bottom of the fifth. If you were wondering (and I know you were) the most runs ever allowed by the Nats is 18 (on June 7, 2006) vs. Marlins. Plenty of time to break that record tonight.
8:53 p.m. -- Danny Espinosa making his big-league debut at second base, with Kennedy sliding over to first base and Dunn removed.
9:18 p.m. -- So I ventured down to the stands for the top of the sixth, thinking with Nyjer Morgan due up second that something might happen. Did it ever. Volstad threw his first pitch behind Morgan's back. Nyjer paused for a second, then stormed the mound, setting off a bench-clearing brawl. Morgan was out of control. By the time he was escorted off by bullpen catcher Nilson Robledo, his shirt was unbuttoned and he was screaming at fans, arms raised. A total embarrassment. Both Morgan and Vostad were ejected, plus Marlins reliever Jose Veras. Pat Listach, meanwhile, could face punishment for his role leaping into the pile and trying to corral Volstad. Total brouhaha. There will be plenty of residual fallback from this, I can assure you.
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Photo by Mark Zuckerman / NATS INSIDER Nyjer Morgan gestures toward fans after getting ejected. |
9:28 p.m. -- Here's another question: Had Rob Dibble been broadcasting this game, would he have jumped out of the booth and joined the brawl?
9:35 p.m. -- Oh. My. God. Wil Nieves just hit one into the upper deck. It's 15-9 in the seventh.
9:39 p.m. -- It's now 15-10 after Willie Harris singles home Justin Maxwell. You think Jim Riggleman might regret pulling Adam Dunn in the fifth when his team was down 10 runs?
9:57 p.m. -- Another ejection: Doug Slaten hits Gaby Sanchez in the and gets tossed. His reaction suggested it wasn't intentional.
10:00 p.m. -- Riggleman was tossed, too.
10:14 p.m. -- We go to the bottom of the eighth of what is now a 16-10 game.
10:30 p.m. -- The wildest, craziest ballgame of the season is over. Nats lose 16-10, but the final score almost seems secondary to everything else that took place over the last 3 hours and 22 minutes. Plenty of reaction from the clubhouse to come...
For those who weren't watching the game on TV, here's video of the brawl on MLB.com.
Nyjer bats first. Well, are we going to see the Marlins plunk him and get it over with? It is interesting that Riggleman has suddenly moved him from the 8-spot to leadoff. What will be even more interesting is what the Nats do if and when he gets nailed. MZ said the Nats had Morgan's back after last night's game. Fascinating sidebar to tonight's game.
ReplyDeleteIs Balester here yet? He can legitimately plunk everyone and blame it on his control issues.
ReplyDeleteWhat if . . .
ReplyDeleteMorgan gets plunked, charges the mound, gets his ass handed to him, goes on the DL, ends his tenure in DC?
The way poor Nyjer's season has been going, I wouldn't be surprised.
Here's the question: If he goes up the hill, who follows him? That will tell the tale where his standing in the clubhouse is concerned.
ReplyDeleteHas anyone see how big Chris Volstad is? He's at least 6'8" and 230lbs.
ReplyDeleteHere's hoping Nyjer charges the mound and adds to his 7 game suspension.
Wow, no Zim, so he gets 2 days rest with the day off tomorrow. I know how much Zim likes hitting IT in Miami!
ReplyDeleteAn idea: Ballystar hits Nyjer Morgan and saves everybody a lot of trouble and grief
ReplyDeleteWell, Nieves has to bat eighth given his terrible offense. Riggs sticking it in the eye of Nats fans ... no Ramos must respect the game, must respect the veterans, must lose 100 games ... no matter what.
ReplyDeleteI predict the Nats leadoff will reach first base tonight.
ReplyDeleteNot a lot of hits in those 6-7-8-9 batting holes.
ReplyDeleteI second the motion that Bally Star pitch a few simulated games against Nyjer Morgan.
Then, I would imagine, our center field problem would take care of itself.
I hope it is ball giveaway night in Florida and everyone sits in CF and pelts Phony Flush every inning and that he gets drilled in the head every time up with a fastball!! Then after the game we sell his contract to a Japanese team
ReplyDelete... I see Nyjer is in the lineup again tonight. I know some of you won't be pleased; for my part, I am happy he's playing.
ReplyDelete... but let me say this: even though he's a good ole' hockey player, I think the default decision in the matter of heading full speed toward the plate, and the catcher, is always to slide - only choose a collision if a slide can't be tried.
... but Mark, let me ask you this: what is the status of his appeal? Any word when it will be heard?
Go Nats!
annon 442
ReplyDeleteCertainly you do not think we Riggs would put in a catcher he does not want on the DL. I think keepeng Ramos on the bench tonight is an excellent call. Flores does not need any company in Viera.
After last night, don't the umps start out with a warning to both benches?
ReplyDeleteI can't tell you how many games I wasted money on watching Olsen get trounced. The only thing about the way this one is starting off is that I'm at home in the air conditioning.
ReplyDeleteErnie, if you think you are wasting money on watching him, imagine how the Lerners feel.
ReplyDeleteNyjer's hearing is September 7, and his plunking will come. It would have been too obvious to do it right at the start.
ReplyDeleteWish Dibble were in the booth getting on Olsen's case for leaving his fastball up in the zone. Fortunately, Dave Jaegler's doing it on WFED.
I hope Batista ate his wheaties this morning. He looks to be in for a lot of work tonight...
ReplyDeleteOne potential bright side of a blowout: Volstead feels enough breathing room to hit Morgan and not worry about it leading to a run.
ReplyDeleteMr. Olsen, pickup the white courtesy phone in baggage claim. Your bus ticket to Pittsburgh is ready to be picked up.
ReplyDeletebyebye scott olsen... hello yuniesky maya? they both started tonight, so it makes sense.
ReplyDeleteIs it too late to revisit the 5 Worst Days in Nats history?
ReplyDeleteI asked this a few days ago, but is there a stats site that shows the hitting stats for the first at bat of each pitcher? I swear our bullpen manages to give up a hit to the first batter every night.
ReplyDeletey. maya looking good for syracuse tonight - 4 shutout innings so far
ReplyDeleteMorgan got a love tap on his butt. Volstad was nice helping his OBP with no bruising!
ReplyDeleteIt's Nyjer Morgan 1, Florida Marlins 14.
ReplyDeleteMaybe he can pitch, too.
Wow, are there really three Marlins fans in the entire upper deck?
ReplyDeletePoor Craig. He's done some good work for us out of the bullpen, but he's been placed in a bad situation, facing a team that is out for blood. The Marlins have decided to get vengeance by kicking the Nats' collective butts.
ReplyDeleteGod I hate Loria.
The Marlins announcers are blasting Nyjer worse than anything we've written on this site today. They've called him out for being a "stupid" ball player for the two steals in a blow out and have stated that "if a fight broke out, Nyjer Morgan would find himself alone".
ReplyDeleteWTF was he thinking? Doesn't he know that those two steals will result in his plunking NEXT time also?
ReplyDeleteWhy is it considered dirty to steal bases when you're way BEHIND on the scoreboard???
ReplyDeleteThere we go, Sanchez got a nice shot in on Morgan.
ReplyDeleteNyjer instigated this whole thing. And that display on the way off the field is totally bush league. He needs to go.
ReplyDelete"God I hate Loria."
ReplyDelete... thank you HabsProf. Just knowing I'm not alone in this makes me feel somewhat better.
Go Nats! ... hey you Nats: I said "Go Nats!"
I am glad Nyjer stood up for himself ....this get hit and then get hit again crap is the bush league stuff.
ReplyDelete@CBinDC .... I'm actually glad Nyjer got his butt kicked. He brought this all on himself by his antics over the past couple of days. I'm embarrassed by him. If MLB doesn't suspend him for the year, I hope the Nats do (and then non-tender him). This isn't what the Nats should be about.
ReplyDeleteCBinDC,
ReplyDeleteBush league? Bush league is stealing the 2 bases after getting plunked. The plunking evened the score; Nyjer's 2 swipes called for another balacing of the accounts. If you don't be;ieve me, listen to Ray Knight.
Stealing 2 bases after getting on base sounds okay to me.
ReplyDeleteOn the one hand, charging the mound after a ball goes behind you is not cool because it didn't hit you and maybe the ump will throw out the pitcher.
On the other hand, good for him taking care of his business considering the pitcher is like a foot taller than him.
I can't wait to read Zuck's take on it. He's made his disdain for Nyjer clear after the first month of the season.
#1 - do the Morse detractors of a few weeks ago still feel the same way?
ReplyDelete#2 - has Ray Knight ever had a cogent thought in his life?
Way to Go Nats!
I have no problem with what Morgan did. He was totally justified going after Volstad.
ReplyDeleteSo the Nats are behind now by a 15-8 score and Riggleman takes Dunn out. Now the Nats are absent the 2 dominent hitters in the line up.
ReplyDeleteDoes Riggleman not care about winning the game at this point?
For commenters to this great blog who are wiser than me (which is most of you) why does Riggleman do this? I see nothing indicating that Dunn was injured.
I know the team stinks because of Nyjer ...we get rid of him and all will be well and sunny ......PLEASE ....you have all suddenly seen blood in the water and can not help yourselves to a feast ....but you are losing a bit of your soul in the process keep that in mind
ReplyDelete"9:25 p.m. -- Here's one of many questions I have right now: What happens when a player who's already appealing one suspension gets another?"
ReplyDeleteRob Dibble should be able to tell you. If you can find him.
... why did Riggs take out Dunn? I don't presume to have the definitive answer, but I would say it's becaus ehe's really a negative thinking nervous loser at heart. He believed the game was unwinnable so he thought "what would a good manager do?" and decided it was a good time to give Danny Esp. some game time.
ReplyDeleteAh, G'wan Nats!
Who needs Dunn when you have Wil Nieves....Good Lord he killed that. Maybe the Nats should fight more often
ReplyDelete"Here's another question: Had Rob Dibble been broadcasting this game, would he have jumped out of the booth and joined the brawl?"
ReplyDeleteUmmm, no. But he would've been a lot more entertaining than Knight in "analyzing" it.
Since discovering tonight's Yankee game is on ESPN, I've been watching that (while listening to the great John Sterling, another colorful character like Dibble), and following this game right here. Much less frustrating. Every once in awhile, it's good to watch a real MLB team, one that is both played and run by professionals.
"You think Jim Riggleman might regret pulling Adam Dunn in the fifth when his team was down 10 runs?"
ReplyDeletePerfect. This entire day has been an embarrassment to the team. One bad decision after another by just about everybody. Call it "Dibble's Curse."
I'm just catching up here. I certainly think Nyjer is out of control, but why were Ray and Bob so down on him for stealing two bases when we were down by 9 runs? What are we supposed to do, give up? Or is it just Nyjer who is not allowed to play hard and try to score runs because he screwed up last night? That makes no sense.
ReplyDeleteNyjer should have let it go -- Volstead might have been thrown out of the game for the second attempted beaning. But there is no way that that second attempt was justified just because Volstead couldn't hold him on well enough to prevent two steals and a run. Come on!
@CBinDC: You're kidding, right? No one in this thread or on this board has said getting rid of Nyjer will solve all the Nats problems. Not one. If you want to defend Nyjer on the merits of his behavior, fine, go ahead. But don't put words in other people's mouths and then criticize your version of what they're saying.
ReplyDeleteYeah -- I kinda have the same question. For one, I had no idea that stealing bases when you are *losing* is considered bush league (can somebody explain why?)
ReplyDeleteAnd, secondly, I think stealing bases after getting hit is pretty cool. It's like: OK, you hit me, but it'll cost you more than just one base.
It was not words but the nature of those words that I was COMMENTING on ...the feel and the effect of the comments
ReplyDelete"I know the team stinks because of Nyjer ...we get rid of him and all will be well and sunny ......PLEASE ....you have all suddenly seen blood in the water and can not help yourselves to a feast ....but you are losing a bit of your soul in the process keep that in mind."
ReplyDeleteExactly. I lost a lot of respect for Riggleman when he called out Morgan before even talking to him.
Even if Nyjer never plays again for the Nats, I will always appreciate the spark that he brought to the lineup last year and the silver Elvis wig. Also, Nyjer is one of the few Nats who will actually acknowledge us fans, both at home and on the road. Would you rather still be watching Lastings Milledge underachieve? They didn't make a bobblehead of him for nothing.
Where's Colin Balester when you need him?
ReplyDeleteOh . . . and . . .
ReplyDeleteWelcome to "the show", Danny E.! Nice hustle on your first at bat, turning an groundball at the second baseman into a double!
(Hey -- I stepped away from the TV for a bit, and looked at the on-line box score, and see that Riggs and another got ejected in the 7th inning. What happened??)
Is it OK to steal bases now?
ReplyDelete@CBinDC ... speaking for myself, the comment was not about his play. To be sure, I will say I do not like him as a player... he bunts too often, he plays shaky defense at best, and makes "dumb" plays. For all of those reasons, I would like him off the team. However, tonight's incident, and his conduct over the past few days, is another matter. It's not "good" baseball, it's not "aggressive" baseball. It's childish. He ran into one catcher for no reason (on purpose). He blasted the manager in the media, when the manager was doing the right thing in trying to defuse the situation. Then he made another dumb play trying to take his aggression out on another catcher, and ended up hurting that player, instead of sliding for the easy score. And now he charges the mound as if his actions don't warrant retaliation. It's childish behavior, and the team shouldn't stand for it.
ReplyDeleteSlaten hit Gaby Sanchez. Since both benches had been warned, that's an automatic ejection for the pitcher, and I believe for the manager too.
ReplyDelete(Hey -- I stepped away from the TV for a bit, and looked at the on-line box score, and see that Riggs and another got ejected in the 7th inning. What happened??)
ReplyDeleteSlaten was tossed for hitting Sanchez and Riggleman came out to discuss, which led to his removal.
I've seen better fights at the Dubliner at closing time.
ReplyDeleteThanks guys. You know, watching the replay of the fight, Gaby Sanchez got in two slammer punches. I was surprised he didn't get tossed (and thought he should have -- perhaps the first one was to get Nyjer away from the pitcher, but the second one was a wind-up punch of Nyjer when Nyjer was already on the ground)
ReplyDeleteSo, in my book, hitting Gaby makes sense.
I told you over the past few weeks this was going to end ugly for Morgan......He needs help and has all year.....as I told you all....He will be in rehab soon but if the Nats had acted months ago this embarrassment would have been avoided.
ReplyDeleteWhat a memorable game this has turned out to be! Quite entertaining to say the least :)
ReplyDeleteAs for Morgan, he took the first retaliation like he should have. That "evens the score" from the previous night.
He then steals 2 bases. With his team down, what the hell is wrong with that?
He did not deserve to have another pitch thrown at or behind him.
Okay, now that was funny...
ReplyDelete"if a fight broke out, Nyjer Morgan would find himself alone."
What exactly was objectionable about Nyjer stealing 2nd & 3rd after being hit? The Nats were down 10 runs; it is not as if they were UP 10 runs and he was piling on. Right?
ReplyDeleteCwj.....I take it you have never played the game at a high level......Morgan earned it and much more....if they let his play again.....ever other teams will hit him on principle....he is an out of control embarrassment to baseball.
ReplyDeleteOne of the ugliest scenes on the field I have ever seen! Nyjer should not have done. His reaction coming off the field was unprofessional. This guy should be suspended the rest of the season and Nationals should cut him right away.
ReplyDeleteOn a more serious note, Pat Listach is shameless. Why was he making love to Volstad on the mound?
JayB-
ReplyDeleteWhat type of Rehab are you talking about. Anger-Management, substance, alcohol? Care to elaborate?
Good for Riggs! He's backing up Nyjer on the MASN post-game show. Sez he "doesn't have a problem" with Nyjer stealing two bases while his team is nine runs down.
ReplyDeleteI know I'm in the minority here, but I'm behind Riggs trying to keep this sinking ship from sinking even further.
To everyone wondering about the criticism of Nyjer stealing with the team so far behind: the point is not about giving up. The problem is that you don't risk getting thrown out when you have a lot of runs to make up. You need to be on base in order to wait for big hits and be a part of a big inning. Yes, it's more speculative than manufacturing a run, but when you are down big, that's the only way. This is why Zuckerman and the radio guys are criticizing Nyjer for stealing when down 11, not because he should be "giving up." It's a strategy type of thing, dig?
ReplyDeleteNyjer got what he deserved several times tonight, getting hit, getting thrown behind for stealing two bases when the game was out of hand, charging the mound and getting leveled by Gaby Sanchez (give that man a medal) and getting pelted by the fans because he was proud of fighting. He should be made to pay his way home because if he is with the team after midnight tonight Rizzo and crew and complete hypocrits, Nyjer is a piece of you know what as a human being and possible mentally ill so DFA his AS$!!!!
ReplyDeleteI know that all of the talk will be about Morgan, but can we finally have an honest assessment of Olsen now? For once he can't hide behind the excuse that his fielders let him down. This guy has gotten away with too much because people have consistently claimed he loses because he doesn't get support. In truth, he loses because he sucks. He needs to disappear today. My nightmare is that the story comes out tomorrow that he's been pitching hurt, needs to go on the DL, and shows up at spring training next year. He needs to follow Bruney to the land of irrelevance.
ReplyDelete@Manassas
ReplyDeleteMy favorite fight still is when Robin Ventura charged Nolan Ryan, who gave him some good blows to the top of the head at the age of 45.
Man that MASN Post game show is an embarrassment. Clearly Stan has told them if they critise anything or anyone in Natstown they will lose their job.
ReplyDeleteRiggs knows that what Morgan did was a joke and Ray was shocked to here him lie about it on air but Ray wants that job and Stan has show what happens if you are anything but a homer.
I am happy to be rid of Dibbs but I do not want a guy or whole team of TV heads that are afraid to tell the truth.
I know I'm in the minority here, but I'm behind Riggs trying to keep this sinking ship from sinking even further.
ReplyDeleteHave to wonder what Rizzo thinks about all of this though? In a way, Nyjer has reenergized what has started to become a listless team ... his behavior might not be acceptable to the mlb but the results appear to have had an effect on the Nationals.
i'm not as annoyed with morgan charging the mound as i am with his "hands raised in triumph" and screaming "whooo" as he walks off the field. and i suspect that, along with the fact that he's already awaiting his hearing on the first suspension, will be what seals the deal for a lot of time off for him. the attitude portion of it.
ReplyDeleteit's one thing to charge the mound in what you feel is trying to protect yourself (regardless of what you think about whether he deserved it or not). it's another thing to continue to act like a complete, classless ass as you walk off the field. robelo was trying to stop him from being an idiot, but he obviously didn't care.
i suspect he'll miss at least a couple of weeks total before all the suspensions are tallied up.
JayB, I don't know how high a level of baseball you're talking about, but that's simply nonsense. I'm not a Nyger fan, but chill! Just so we're clear, Nyger made a bonehead play against a different team, so when he makes a perfectly acceptable play at home plate against the Marlins, it's their job to settle the score for all of baseball? And not once but twice? And it's all justified because after taking his medicine he the temerity to steal bases? Perhaps if he hit a triple he should stop at first base because to do otherwise would be worth the death penalty?
ReplyDeletePersonally I think the whole thing is an embarassment for all of baseball, the Nats but most particularly the Marlins. What they did tonight was BS. They are like their owner, completely bush league. I think they should suspend the Marlins manager for the balance of the season for permitting it to happen. He's responsible for his team, and clearly he doesn't have control.
Ernie my friend, you nailed it. Olsen needs to pack his bags along with Morgan. I am just glad no one significant got injured in this whole mess.
ReplyDelete@David -- I totally understand the criticism of Nyjer for stealing. It was a bad baseball move. When you're down 9 runs, you don't risk making an out. But it wasn't showing up the Marlins or anything that even slightly justified being thrown at again. If anything, the Marlins should have been happy that Nyjer was playing out of control. But they couldn't stop him, and that doesn't mean they have good reason to throw at him.
ReplyDelete@Ernie, who wants an "honest assessment" of Olsen:
ReplyDeleteHe sucks.
From Michael "Vest" Hyde: "Since discovering tonight's Yankee game is on ESPN, I've been watching that (while listening to the great John Sterling, another colorful character like Dibble), and following this game right here. Much less frustrating. Every once in awhile, it's good to watch a real MLB team, one that is both played and run by professionals."
ReplyDeleteOh, Michael J. Hyde, I've read your comments with interest if not always agreement. But when you hold up John Sterling as the shining example of good baseball broadcasting, I say "check please!" Sterling is a clown.
So many experts. The guy talking about rehab is right on. Sounds like the voice of experience. If you don't like Morgan, change the channel.
ReplyDeleteCurrently on Washingtonnationals.com the video of the fight is the Marlins' tv feed. Very interesting to get their take as it happened. If you haven't heard, i suggest you go over there and listen.
ReplyDeleteBiggest surprise of the game? Justin Maxwell got 2 hits to go with ONLY 1 strikeout!
ReplyDeleteGeez, Aaron Boone on Baseball Night is ragging on Nyjer. Why do they have a problem with him stealing bases if they are holding him on 1st?
ReplyDeleteNow if the Marlins with an 11 run lead are stealing, then yah, that is bad.
Did Riggleman say that he called for Morgan to steel after he go hit?
ReplyDeleteLet me get this straight. Dibble gets fired in essence by the NATS for being outspoken, and Olson who has sucked all year gets to start tonight give up 9 runs and is rewarded with an extra $100,000.00.
ReplyDeleteThis is why the Nats have trouble. Their priorities are not in the right place. Kaston will make it worse if he doesn't hire a good non yes man for the booth. Why would you want a yes man for a team that doesn't play well. The fans are not stupid we can see when the game is not played well.
Anon 11:12 Riggleman clearly said he did not have a "hold" on steals so Nyjer was free to steal on his own.
ReplyDeleteAnon8 et al -
ReplyDeleteWhat’s so hard to understand about this? You don’t come back from an 11-run deficit by moving one guy 90 feet. Maybe there’s an argument for stealing 2d to take away the double play (tho it was Desmond, not Pudge, at the plate). Stealing 3d is pointless so far as winning the game--or at least, the likelihood that it would determine the outcome is infinitesimal, and thus not worth the risk of giving up a runner who’s already in scoring position.
Either Nyjer doesn’t understand that--in which case he shouldn’t be playing pro ball--or he wasn’t doing it to win the game, but to show the other team up. And guys who act just to show the other team up get what Morgan got, or worse (Volstad, after all, only thew behind him).
HHover-
ReplyDeleteIf stealing was a bad baseball decision, that is something the Nats should object to. The Marlins should welcome it.
Stealing is one of the few facets of his game Nyjer has going at this point. Is he supposed to stop trying?
@zib23
ReplyDeleteThe point is that Morgan's decision to steal wasn't a baseball decision at all--it was a decision to try to show the other team up.
As for what Morgan will do moving forward--yes, I think it's safe to say he won't be stealing many bases for a while.
A sorry chapter for the Nationals. You have to feel for Espinoza and his family, too. This was his major league debut.
ReplyDeletezib23, i think you're missing the point.
ReplyDeletethe point is that morgan wasn't stealing 3rd because it was important to help the nats win.
it's that he was stealing 3rd to "show up" the other team.
it wasn't necessarily that it was a bonehead baseball play (although it was, on some levels).
it was that it was a "jerk" play, meant purely to "get back at" the marlins.
if it had been a smart baseball play, nobody would have objected. but since it was done to get under their skin, it obviously was effective in doing that.
and everything was punctuated by morgan's arrogant fist-pump on the way off the field.
he was being a jerk, plain and simple.
All I know is from the point he stole the bases until the end of the game the Nats outscored the Fish 7 to 2, so it did fire up the Nats.
ReplyDeleteI agree stealing third was not a good baseball move. Stealing second was OK, but agree he wasn't doing it for baseball reasons.