tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post8654802921176346403..comments2024-02-15T05:42:18.307-05:00Comments on Nats Insider: Nats take chance on Giolito with 16th pickMark Zuckermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13525315258889435961noreply@blogger.comBlogger91125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-25175646503081396942012-06-05T13:55:12.150-04:002012-06-05T13:55:12.150-04:00I saw this quote above: "For example, the Blu...I saw this quote above: "For example, the Blue Jays get the 22nd pick in 2012 after not signing No. 21 overall choice Tyler Beede in 2011. If Toronto can't come to terms with the compensation selection, it would get another one in 2013."<br /><br />While the first part is correct (you get a extra pick the following year if you don't sign the guy), but the next part is incorrect (...terms with the compensation selection, it would get another one in 2013).<br /><br />You get a pick for one year only, if you don't sign the compensation selection you DON'T get the a pick the following year.Tcostanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13264565854413303198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-3345138125931251882012-06-05T12:48:51.536-04:002012-06-05T12:48:51.536-04:00They will sign him. Their recent history suggests ...They will sign him. Their recent history suggests that they know what they are doing in this regard. I love the pick because we have an exceptional rotation base for a few years to come (the top 3); you can fill the bottom 2 any number of ways so it's time to start building the next generation of starters because history shows that you can't keep everybody when they all become expensive so you have to keep developing new ones.<br /><br /> Rather than picking someone who will be a number 4 at best but will be ready soon they went for the big prize. I like it.JDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10464376699196421043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-26022176671132758252012-06-05T12:04:25.076-04:002012-06-05T12:04:25.076-04:00Tcostant, no idea. Just posted the quote as repre...Tcostant, no idea. Just posted the quote as representative of what the chattering class is saying about the pick.NatsLadyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06814911056080758503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-45291345120851193782012-06-05T11:50:31.075-04:002012-06-05T11:50:31.075-04:00Having already bagged Strasburg, Harper, and Rendo...Having already bagged Strasburg, Harper, and Rendon, it won't hurt quite as bad as it would have a couple of years ago if we can't sigh Giolito, or he doesn't work out. I'm liking this pick better all the time.SonnyG10https://www.blogger.com/profile/06568010128457246433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-57377654159104915022012-06-05T11:45:16.183-04:002012-06-05T11:45:16.183-04:00Signing him is the only issue I see. The Nats can...Signing him is the only issue I see. The Nats can't break the bank on one guy. However, the kid would take a huge risk in going to UCLA with an elbow problem. It's going to be an interesting negotiation.JamesFanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17176931883287954229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-91125725512752322792012-06-05T11:42:53.374-04:002012-06-05T11:42:53.374-04:00Freddiemac:
Teams get an extra year of protecti...Freddiemac:<br /><br /><br /> Teams get an extra year of protection for compensation picks for failure to sign draftees from the first three rounds. For example, the Blue Jays get the 22nd pick in 2012 after not signing No. 21 overall choice Tyler Beede in 2011. If Toronto can't come to terms with the compensation selection, it would get another one in 2013.NatsLadyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06814911056080758503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-49078033859165242002012-06-05T11:29:18.565-04:002012-06-05T11:29:18.565-04:00If Giolito does not sign will the Nats be given th...If Giolito does not sign will the Nats be given the #17 overall pick in next years draft?<br /><br />(Just like in 2008 when we didn't sign the #9 overall pick Aaron Crow and in the 2009 draft we got the #10 overall pick Drew Storen).<br /><br />HAVE NOT SEEN THIS ADDRESSED YETAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-24390377989089467492012-06-05T11:12:15.144-04:002012-06-05T11:12:15.144-04:00Keith Law on the Nats pick:
'I've said a ...Keith Law on the Nats pick:<br /><br />'I've said a few times that Giolito would likely have ranked at the top of my draft board had he been healthy all spring, and my outsider's understanding of his injury is that it's not that serious as elbow injuries go. The risk here may be more perceived ("Oh my God, you took a guy with an elbow injury") than real. Good for the Nationals for having the stones to take the best guy on the board, even with these perceptions and the threat of a tough negotiation for a bright kid committed to UCLA. If they sign him, he'll be worth it.'JDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10464376699196421043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-7182641770621573652012-06-05T11:09:34.938-04:002012-06-05T11:09:34.938-04:00NatsLady. I see in your RotoWorld post that they ...NatsLady. I see in your RotoWorld post that they have this statement "In recent history, that ideology has worked". Do they give any examples? I can't think of any guys who fell in the draft because of injury who hit it big. Help!Tcostanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13264565854413303198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-68863003110304822692012-06-05T11:07:45.578-04:002012-06-05T11:07:45.578-04:00Well said, Nats Lady (and Boz).Well said, Nats Lady (and Boz).Holden Baroquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05941566402992955387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-67048555907032417002012-06-05T11:00:54.251-04:002012-06-05T11:00:54.251-04:00Boz said it best. 70% of no.l6 drafts never make i...Boz said it best. 70% of no.l6 drafts never make it to the majors. The upside is huge, the downside is, yeah, you might have signed some other (lower-ceiling) player with a 30% chance of making it, and making it as what--a .250 hitter or a middle reliever?<br /><br />That's what happens when you pick at 16.NatsLadyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06814911056080758503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-14417607109928682952012-06-05T10:40:38.433-04:002012-06-05T10:40:38.433-04:00From RotoWorld:
16. Washington Nationals - Luc Gi...From RotoWorld:<br /><br /><i>16. Washington Nationals - Luc Giolito RHP Harvard-Westlake HS, Calif.<br /><br />By all accounts, this is a fascinating pick. The Nationals have never been afraid of taking risks, whether on talent or medical history. In recent history, that ideology has worked. Giolito was a potential No. 1 talent before a tender elbow shut down his prep career in March. Tests revealed no ligament or tendon damage, so this seems like a wise gamble by Mike Rizzo. Giolito, a 6-6, 230-pound monster, has hit 100 mph on the gun and has ace potential. Of course, Washington has plenty of stud starters on the roster, a group Giolito hopes to join in the next four years, even if he has to sit out the rest of the 2012 season.</i>NatsLadyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06814911056080758503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-69958316509902964622012-06-05T10:08:39.774-04:002012-06-05T10:08:39.774-04:00Can you imagine if he has more growing to do?
The...<i>Can you imagine if he has more growing to do?</i><br /><br />There's an upside to to that, for sure, but it's also a reason to go slow in developing him--those growing tendons, ligaments, etc. can be more susceptible to damage.<br /><br />I wanted to add one more thing about what this pick says about Rizzo. In 2 years, he's now picked 3 guys who fell in draft position because of injury concerns. The fact that he's willing to go against conventional wisdom says a lot about his self-confidence as a GM and ownership's confidence in him. <br /><br />Now, let's just hope it works.hiramhoverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08496411226029547341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-29531189112827317932012-06-05T10:08:36.039-04:002012-06-05T10:08:36.039-04:00"(Does anyone really care who the Nats drafte..."(Does anyone really care who the Nats drafted after Strasburg?)"<br /><br />Didn't they pick some guy named Storen?ChiefWJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15167837583319336128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-69315679623390044332012-06-05T10:07:43.988-04:002012-06-05T10:07:43.988-04:00Try that again:
Giovanni is Italian, not Spanish,...Try that again: <br />Giovanni is Italian, not Spanish, but we could call him "Little John." <br /><br />Maybe they could get Da Meathook back to play Friar Tuck.Holden Baroquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05941566402992955387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-6753662465311003512012-06-05T10:04:12.251-04:002012-06-05T10:04:12.251-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Holden Baroquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05941566402992955387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-46253706427288665622012-06-05T10:02:43.560-04:002012-06-05T10:02:43.560-04:00Someone already mentioned "Gio-Light"--a...Someone already mentioned "Gio-Light"--altho that would be in reference to age more than size. I don't think this kid is light anything.Holden Baroquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05941566402992955387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-63505608311247356932012-06-05T10:00:16.436-04:002012-06-05T10:00:16.436-04:00@#4...There is another difference. The "old ...@#4...There is another difference. The "old timers" played other sports in the fall/winter. Most of today's players lock into one sport by the age of 8-10. They never really learn the difference between: "Oh, rats, this muscle is sore, I haven't used it since last December" and "Oh, S#%t this is serious, I've damaged something. <br /><br />BTW, I've always thought that the "vacation" (yes I know flying a plane in combat ain't really a vacation) period was very good for a player's longevity. It allowed him to rest and heal. IMO, the year that Riggins took off allowed him to last as long as he did and be as productive as he was with the 'Skins.Catcher50https://www.blogger.com/profile/17087814215014175228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-19900059708190134032012-06-05T09:56:50.560-04:002012-06-05T09:56:50.560-04:00"(Does anyone really care who the Nats drafte..."(Does anyone really care who the Nats drafted after Strasburg?)"<br /><br />Didn't they pick some guy named Storen?ChiefWJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15167837583319336128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-64356588325058516452012-06-05T09:48:34.848-04:002012-06-05T09:48:34.848-04:00Gonat, good point that his age he may still have r...Gonat, good point that his age he may still have room to grow.<br /><br />I also wonder if his injury was caused by throwing too much. Many times these High School kids are pitching every 3 days plus some then play Sunday travel team or weekend showcases.<br /><br />Remember, this kid last year at this time in his Junior season of High School was thought to be the best amateur pitcher projected for 2012.<br /><br />NatsNut, I know in Spanish that Gioito with no L is "Little Gio"Ghost Of Steve M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05745394350047225996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-88610891404392168762012-06-05T09:46:18.953-04:002012-06-05T09:46:18.953-04:00On the side of Gioloto signing . . . He could go t...On the side of Gioloto signing . . . He could go to UCLA but, with the UCL "strain," no one would consider him completely healthy next year at this time, anyway. (Is there a coincidence that "UCLA" begins w/ "UCL?") His college coach would face a helluva dilemma: (1) Pamper the elbow and have Gioloto pitch at 50 percent of capacity, thereby proving nothing, or (2) Do the typical college coach thing and overwork him (e.g., 130 pitches in 7 innings) and blow out the arm.<br /><br />This is all wishful thinking but either outcome is good for the Nats. If Gioloto eats the whole bonus pool, in four years no one will remember who else the Nats drafted 2-10. (Does anyone really care who the Nats drafted after Strasburg?) If Gioloto doesn't sign, his money gets spread around the next nine guys, making up for the parsimonious bonus pool restrctions.Theophilus T. S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16532693473198519382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-41714057843881635202012-06-05T09:39:06.857-04:002012-06-05T09:39:06.857-04:00LetsGoNats mentioned on Kolko's MASN blog that...LetsGoNats mentioned on Kolko's MASN blog that Giolito could mean "Little Gio". LOVE it!NatsNuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17010461380057520589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-53562604196078184792012-06-05T09:38:00.670-04:002012-06-05T09:38:00.670-04:00How crazy is it that Giolito wears #27 and the num...How crazy is it that Giolito wears #27 and the number font and trim on the back of his jersey resembles the original Nats fonts of 2005 to 2009 plus that red W on his cap.<br /><br />Coincidence, I think not.Gonathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05622413303529086490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-75303007373690627112012-06-05T09:31:16.418-04:002012-06-05T09:31:16.418-04:00#4, part of the problem in the past with young arm...#4, part of the problem in the past with young arms is over-working them. The Nats clearly stick to a youth plan. This kid set himself apart in maturity and a frame that is already filled out at 17. Can you imagine if he has more growing to do?<br /><br />Also, a new post from MASN with a pic of Giolito in a Nats cap:<br /><br />http://www.masnsports.com/nationals_pastime/2012/06/giolito-pick-draws-rave-reviews.htmlGonathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05622413303529086490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-53185944943204684042012-06-05T09:27:07.042-04:002012-06-05T09:27:07.042-04:00Gonat,
His birthday is on July 14. For comparison...Gonat,<br /><br />His birthday is on July 14. For comparison purposes, I believe one's listed age in the stats in one's age on opening day. Therefore, he'd be a 22 year old in 2017. I'm not saying he won't be ready to get big league hitters out at that point. If healthy, he will be. It'll just be interesting to see how the Nats handle him - particularly in contrast to how they handled a highly talented position player prospect like Harper. The track record on putting guys that young in a rotation is not great for their long term careers. Generally, guys get hurt, or their K/9 ratios drop precipitously by age 30. Even Feller falls into that category. Hitters are a different story.#4https://www.blogger.com/profile/03100452642306906218noreply@blogger.com