tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post756619889787751730..comments2024-02-15T05:42:18.307-05:00Comments on Nats Insider: Projecting future rostersMark Zuckermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13525315258889435961noreply@blogger.comBlogger70125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-72614228841177535792012-12-20T17:43:28.998-05:002012-12-20T17:43:28.998-05:00sjm308
It's not an unreasonable question, but...sjm308<br /><br />It's not an unreasonable question, but it has been asked and answered a number of times. If ALR is back at 1B, it's hard to see how it makes sense to burn 2 bench spots on Morse and Moore--they're just too similar in their strengths and weaknesses. <br /><br />One of them is much cheaper, and under much longer term team control--that's Moore--and so the other one is the one you try to move--that's Morse. hiramhoverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08496411226029547341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-49967597487930422802012-12-20T17:24:04.701-05:002012-12-20T17:24:04.701-05:00Like I mentioned either early in this post or in t...Like I mentioned either early in this post or in the last, I am now in the camp of Morse at first and getting that draft pick. That does not mean I will be upset with LaRoche taking our two year deal. <br /><br /> I was basically called unreasonable for the following but..... Why would you then trade Morse? Here is my latest thought on this. Right now, our big bat off the bench is Tracy. Wouldn't you rather have Morse than Tracy? Morse can play more positions, he is a better hitter and if he stays professional and does not pout, he is great in the clubhouse. We and every other club deal with injury each year and the more solid players we have, the better we will be. I will finish with this. Name me a better bench then Ramos, Morse, Moore, Lombardozzi and Bernadina. This bench would definitely keep JayB from carping on that subject at least. <br /><br />Waiting to hear why this does not make sense and please don't tell me we need to trade Morse for his benefit. This is a business as well as sport and we need to be in the business of winning.sjm308https://www.blogger.com/profile/01236550495879254916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-46885951126043098142012-12-20T16:15:14.421-05:002012-12-20T16:15:14.421-05:00Looking at that Projected 2013 lineup brings up a ...Looking at that Projected 2013 lineup brings up a Question. What is the current status of Chris Marrero?MurrayTheRedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09285342173135778691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-8037104754788135632012-12-20T14:25:16.588-05:002012-12-20T14:25:16.588-05:00"Really need", Erik?... Really? And what..."Really need", Erik?... Really? And what catastrophe is likely to occur? "Really need"?<br /><br />Not so much.....UnkyDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10427401050130317607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-10215422097378409462012-12-20T13:40:26.815-05:002012-12-20T13:40:26.815-05:00I'll give it a shot...
Since the Nationals ha...I'll give it a shot...<br /><br /><i>Since the Nationals had to offer ALR a contract at 13.2 million is this contract null and void as soon as ALR turned it down?</i><br /><br />1.1: They didn't have to offer him a contract, just like they didn't have to offer Edwin Jackson a contract. But they figured a year of Adam at $13.2 or so was a good deal, if he took it, which they already knew he wouldn't, because he said so. <br /><br />1.2: They could choose to leave the offer open, but it would still be irrelevant, because he wants multiple years, and they know he can get at least two years.<br /><br /><i>Since another team now has to give up a first round draft pick if they sign him, wouldn't they have to beat 13.2 million or can the Nats or any other team now get him for less?</i><br /><br />He's now a free agent. He is free to make any deal he can get someone to agree to. Any MLB signing team will lose a draft pick (which the Nats would not get; they get a sandwich pick).<br /><br /><i>If it is the case that as soon as ALR turned down the 13.2 it was gone it seems that this new rule greatly favors the team over the player. I would wonder why the MLB players association would have agreed to this because it doesn’t give the player any real leverage since the contract no longer exist but giving up the draft pick does.</i><br /><br />The player's leverage is that he's good at his job, probably very good indeed, or his last team wouldn't have tendered a qualifying offer. Like any other contract somebody turns down because they think they can do better, sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes the bear eats you. <br /><br /><i>What if the National didn't sign him and decided to go with Morse? There might be a good chance that no one would sign ALR to a one year contract because they wouldn't want to give up the draft pick, effectively making him [persona non grata] in baseball or at least making him sign for a very low amount of money.</i><br /><br />The risk of Adam LaRoche not getting signed for at least one year at $13.x million per approaches zero, I think. It's possible that someone could price themselves right off the market--it's happened before--but it usually is accompanied by other issues. <br /><br /> Maybe I’m missing something? Anyone know exactly how this works?<br />Holden Baroquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05941566402992955387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-82249792715244249302012-12-20T13:15:02.101-05:002012-12-20T13:15:02.101-05:00JD, when you mentioned that maybe ALR would have t...JD, when you mentioned that maybe ALR would have to settle for a one year contract it got me thinking, probably not a good idea :-)<br /><br />Anyway, since the Nationals had to offer ALR a contract at 13.2 million is this contract null and void as soon as ALR turned it down?<br /><br />Since another team now has to give up a first round draft pick if they sign him wouldn't they have to beat 13.2 million or can the Nats or any other team now get him for less? <br /><br />If it is the case that as soon as ALR turned down the 13.2 it was gone it seems that this new rule greatly favors the team over the player. I would wonder why the MLB players association would have agreed to this because it doesn’t give the player any real leverage since the contract no longer exist but giving up the draft pick does. <br /><br />What if the National didn't sign him and decided to go with Morse? There might be a good chance that no one would sign ALR to a one year contract because they wouldn't want to give up the draft pick, effectively making him persona non-gratis in baseball or at least making him sign for a very low amount of money.<br /><br />Maybe I’m missing something? Anyone know exactly how this works?<br /> Tegwarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05014621891563545863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-24243991044736181952012-12-20T12:09:50.433-05:002012-12-20T12:09:50.433-05:00Alphabet Soup Erik said...
I think Morse is proba...<i>Alphabet Soup Erik said... <br />I think Morse is probably better and certainly has more potential for an MVP type season. His 162 game averages as a National are .295/32/97 and I don't think he has even peaked yet.<br /></i><br /><br />They are great numbers and Morse was injured most of 2012.<br /><br />I think that's why I have flip-flopped.<br /><br />Span CF LH<br />Werth RF RH<br />Harper LF LH<br />Zim 3B RH<br />Morse 1B RH<br />Desi SS RH<br />Espi/Lomb 2B S<br />Suz/Ram C RHGhost Of Steve M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05745394350047225996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-68809472738728789832012-12-20T11:59:07.546-05:002012-12-20T11:59:07.546-05:00Feel Wood, thats certainly a plausible theory on A...Feel Wood, thats certainly a plausible theory on ALR but I believe that ALR was there if Rizzo traded Morse. Since Rizzo didn't trade Morse, things may have changed and Rizzo has indeed moved on although nobody is saying anything publicly.Ghost Of Steve M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05745394350047225996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-2576221044233890152012-12-20T11:51:44.424-05:002012-12-20T11:51:44.424-05:00I've said this before, but they really need to...I've said this before, but they really need to keep both Morse and LaRoche. Who is to say that Werth won't be a bench player THIS year? Morse is certainly a better hitter than Werth is at this point, so I see no reason to trade him just because he may be the odd man out due to his defensive liabilities in the OF. The difference in offense between Morse and Werth more than makes up for the defensive gap between the two. Two words: contract year!!! If he has a decent season, he may very well be the best hitter available in a very weak FA market (for hitters) next season. He could have a HUGE year and certainly helps this team more than anything he will bring back in a trade. Kendrys Morales brought back a pretty darn good SP and I think Morse is probably better and certainly has more potential for an MVP type season. His 162 game averages as a National are .295/32/97 and I don't think he has even peaked yet. Even if they sign LaRoche, they really need to let this thing play out with Morse.Alphabet Soup Erikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06584549171782322500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-58090155489212318102012-12-20T11:44:52.000-05:002012-12-20T11:44:52.000-05:00The Nats did the same thing with LaRoche and using...<i>The Nats did the same thing with LaRoche and using Hamilton's wifes analogy on the other side, LaRoche has been out there trying to date and maybe the Nats have fallen out of love. <br /><br />Would Rizzo pull back his offer?</i><br /><br />Most likely there never has been an offer Rizzo would even have to pull back, in the sense of concrete salary numbers or anything beyond a generic "we could give you two years at most." Rizzo's semi-optimistic comments and Davey's all-out "courtship" of ALR are probably nothing more than a sign of respect to him as a GG/SS winner and for his contributions in 2012. They certainly didn't want to just cut him loose like they did with EJax. Maintaining the possibility that ALR might sign with the Nats helps boost the value of his eventual contract with another team, and also serves to keep Morse motivated. ALR came into 2012 with something to prove after all the offseason Prince rumors, and Morse will have a similar chip on his shoulder in 2013. Rizzo's a failed player himself, he knows how that works. Let Davey play good cop and keep puffing up the players' egos, but if that's all they hear they can become complacent.<br /><br />It's been pretty clear all along that Rizzo doesn't really want ALR back even though he'll tell the press he does, just like with Adam Dunn. If this drags on and ALR doesn't get a three year offer soon enough, don't be surprised if he takes a two year offer somewhere else.The Real Feel Wood. Accept no substitutes.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13147290573966561009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-69713474167790565742012-12-20T11:33:26.943-05:002012-12-20T11:33:26.943-05:00JD, I thought the same thing that midnight on Mond...JD, I thought the same thing that midnight on Monday is the deadline but someone else didn't think that was etched in stone.<br /><br />It looks like ALR's agents are following the Boras lead and allow everyone else to be taken up. <br /><br />The problem I see from the Nats perspective is that the trade market for Morse is shrinking and Rizzo can't give him away. He's much too valuable.Ghost Of Steve M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05745394350047225996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-49348461638860081472012-12-20T11:27:49.134-05:002012-12-20T11:27:49.134-05:00Ghost,
Didn't Rizzo kind of suggest that the...<br /> Ghost,<br /><br /> Didn't Rizzo kind of suggest that there is a Christmas expiry date on the offer?<br /><br /> I think ALR and his agent are trying to wait out the Texas situation (and maybe the Boston one as well) but the Rangers are very methodical and may conclude that ALR doesn't put them over the top anyway. Wouldn't it be something if ALR is forced to take a 1 year deal somewhere?JDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10464376699196421043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-13961414978287589092012-12-20T11:21:15.824-05:002012-12-20T11:21:15.824-05:00Faraz Shaikh said...
Feel Wood and GoSM, I am bec...<i>Faraz Shaikh said... <br />Feel Wood and GoSM, I am becoming more and more conflicted as days pass whether I want ALR back or give Morse a shot at MVP numbers. <br /><br />December 20, 2012 11:13 AM </i><br /><br />Did you watch the Josh Hamilton press conference this week when asked about the Rangers and Hamilton's wife chimed in that the Rangers allowed them to look around and date and the Angels found him.<br /><br />The Nats did the same thing with LaRoche and using Hamilton's wifes analogy on the other side, LaRoche has been out there trying to date and maybe the Nats have fallen out of love. <br /><br />Would Rizzo pull back his offer?Ghost Of Steve M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05745394350047225996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-43785037720544926732012-12-20T11:13:30.622-05:002012-12-20T11:13:30.622-05:00Feel Wood and GoSM, I am becoming more and more co...Feel Wood and GoSM, I am becoming more and more conflicted as days pass whether I want ALR back or give Morse a shot at MVP numbers.Faraz Shaikhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00633161449674428190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-25275664511751811062012-12-20T11:11:19.613-05:002012-12-20T11:11:19.613-05:00I don't see Span in CF he'll likely be gon...I don't see Span in CF he'll likely be gone or be a bench player. I wouldn't count Bryce Harper out quite yet and there still is Brian Goodwin so ... <br /><br />Andy yep, Werth could be a 21 million a year bench player. Handwriting is pretty much on the wall. Its the risk they took and you have to figure ownership had to know that was going to be a distinct possibility given Werth's age.<br />perichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02669200119049715758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-37645380346580378372012-12-20T11:08:31.436-05:002012-12-20T11:08:31.436-05:00That 2013 "projected roster" kind of giv...That 2013 "projected roster" kind of gives me the heebie-jeebies now, looking at it.<br /><br />True, there will be changes between now and 2016, but I find it remarkable how much of the 2013 team is the 2012 team. Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07243007019646325480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-89995504594523572132012-12-20T11:04:22.243-05:002012-12-20T11:04:22.243-05:00Baseball America can only project what it believes...Baseball America can only project what it believes a team's roster will look like based on players that are currently on the 40-Man Roster and developing in the minors. It's a crap shoot, and should be taken with a grain of salt.<br /><br />In January 2009, Baseball America predicted that the 2012 Nats would look like this:<br /><br />C Jesus Flores<br />1B Chris Marrero<br />2B Esmailyn Gonzalez<br />3B Ryan Zimmerman<br />SS Cristian Guzman<br />LF Elijah Dukes<br />CF Lastings Milledge<br />RF Michael Burgess<br />SP Jordan Zimmerman<br />SP Ross Detwiler<br />SP Scott Olsen<br />SP Collin Balester<br />SP John Lannan<br />CL Garrett Mock<br /><br />They couldn't know that the Nats would end up drafting Strasburg and Harper, would trade for Gio, Sign Jackson, that Smiley Gonzalez would be exposed as a fraud, that Guzman, Dukes, Milledge, Burgess, Olson, Ballester and Mock would all be gone.<br /><br />Thank God that BA was wrong, because with that group of projected players for 2012, the Nats would have been lucky to win 70 games.<br /><br />I for one, actually enjoy reading the projected future lineups, but as I said, it's a guessing game, because lineups change.<br /><br />BTW, who's to say that Rizzo, after a WS win in which Werth is the WS MVP, finds a suc... I mean finds a taker for Werth. ;)Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11021420959564812072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-4446508054132075612012-12-20T10:53:42.257-05:002012-12-20T10:53:42.257-05:00Gorzo to the Brewers for 2 years. Gorzo to the Brewers for 2 years. Ghost Of Steve M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05745394350047225996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-44066470227662860382012-12-20T10:52:25.179-05:002012-12-20T10:52:25.179-05:00Morse at 1st base in 2011 in 83 games hit 19 HRs w...Morse at 1st base in 2011 in 83 games hit 19 HRs with 62 RBIs. Project those numbers for 162 games and you are near 37 HRs and 120 RBIs. His slash was .336/.401/.601/1.002 <br /><br />Those are Miguel Cabrera type numbers. With Denard Span, Jayson Werth, Bryce Harper, and Ryan Zimmerman hitting in front of him, I could see 140 RBIs.<br /><br />Pass me the Kool-Aid!!!!<br /><br />Ghost Of Steve M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05745394350047225996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-20645763512002338902012-12-20T10:40:59.299-05:002012-12-20T10:40:59.299-05:00Feel Wood, I have that stat of 1.002 OPS of Morse ...Feel Wood, I have that stat of 1.002 OPS of Morse when he played 1st base in 2011 etched in my brain. Can he come even close to that this year?<br /><br />I think so and I like that he is in his contract year and a lot to prove.Ghost Of Steve M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05745394350047225996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-84593280065579987462012-12-20T10:36:02.370-05:002012-12-20T10:36:02.370-05:00Feel Wood, I've moved on. Give me Morse and th...Feel Wood, I've moved on. Give me Morse and the Draft Pick.Ghost Of Steve M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05745394350047225996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-41068790257777695532012-12-20T10:35:01.701-05:002012-12-20T10:35:01.701-05:00Faraz, yep, he got it backwards.Faraz, yep, he got it backwards.Ghost Of Steve M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05745394350047225996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-22602417403770438182012-12-20T10:31:32.451-05:002012-12-20T10:31:32.451-05:00Michael Morse @Dc_BEAST38 330 40 120
Ian Desmon...<i>Michael Morse @Dc_BEAST38 330 40 120 <br /><br />Ian Desmond @IanDesmond20 @Dc_BEAST38 yeah it's about that time, you going #beastmode this year or what. Saw those numbers the other day, looks about right<br /><br />Michael Morse @Dc_BEAST38 @IanDesmond20 #beastmode</i><br /><br />So really, who do you want at 1B/cleanup this year, this guy or the guy who's spending the entire offseason up in a tree somewhere looking for deer to shoot?<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />The Real Feel Wood. Accept no substitutes.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13147290573966561009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-69400355460851965242012-12-20T10:30:18.576-05:002012-12-20T10:30:18.576-05:00'Espinosa starts losing ABs against lefties to...'Espinosa starts losing ABs against lefties to Lombardozzi' Espinosa is much better against lefties than righties.Faraz Shaikhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00633161449674428190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-69925632126443452992012-12-20T10:26:29.225-05:002012-12-20T10:26:29.225-05:00Todd Boss Q&A to Ladson's mailbox.
Q: Do ...Todd Boss Q&A to Ladson's mailbox.<br /><br /><i>Q: Do you think Ian Desmond can pull off another incredible year in 2013?<br /><br />A: Sure! Do I think Ian Desmond could also regress at the plate to his pre 2012 numbers? Yes I do. I really have no idea what to expect out of guys like Desmond and Roger Bernadina, who both had career years and significantly improved their offense over their career norms. Are these one-time improvements? Meanwhile, a guy like Danny Espinosa is in the reverse situation; he’s regressing year to year, and needs to make a leap like Desmond made. Predictions? I think all three players stay roughly where they are, Espinosa starts losing ABs against lefties to Lombardozzi, and Rendon starts to force the team’s hand by tearing up AAA in early 2013. <br /></i><br /><br />That's what I'm thinking also. Rendon plays well enough to force the issue.Ghost Of Steve M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05745394350047225996noreply@blogger.com