tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post7553888266735405797..comments2024-02-15T05:42:18.307-05:00Comments on Nats Insider: Rizzo on Zimmerman, Harper, SolisMark Zuckermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13525315258889435961noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-14509858498949290912012-02-23T19:57:20.451-05:002012-02-23T19:57:20.451-05:00Damn, I'd love to be a GM that was able to tra...Damn, I'd love to be a GM that was able to trade "in retrospect". <br /><br />Boswell's article the other day about Ramos' offseason and Davey's two-iron was prose for the ages. His article today is proof, once again, that he ain't a 'baseball mind'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-78559180709576813332012-02-23T18:28:40.649-05:002012-02-23T18:28:40.649-05:00Yes, posters did say Moore came out of nowhere.
S...Yes, posters did say Moore came out of nowhere.<br /><br />SteveM:<br /><br />"On Matt Moore, that is such garbage. Matt Moore was in High A ball at the time Boswell is referring to and was struggling there at 21 years old. The kid's ascent to greatness in 2011 is miraculous. Its like Jeremy Lin. Came out of nowhere."<br /><br />Its true, Moore was 21 in Hi-A.<br /><br /><br />Boswell did lead the re-sign Dunn charge:<br /><br />From 9/8/10 WaPo - "My two cents: They're wrong this time. Dunn, only 30, is the 40-homer 100-RBI machine that provides a cleanup-hitting bridge to the Harper Era, if there is one. And if Harper disappoints, or The Plan crumbles, keeping Dunn is akin to credibility salvation for a team with a thin fragile fan base"<br /><br />He also led the don't trade Dunn contingent:<br /><br />From 7/3/10 WaPo: "The answers are clear. The Nats are much better than last year. They'll come out of their recent funk. And they'll be better still in 2011. Once team brass understands this, they'll get their second answer, too: The Nats would be nuts to trade Dunn or Willingham"<br /><br />Still, Boswell doesn't say the Nats should have made the Moore trade or not, only that it was nixed. He is merely emphasizing the baseball minds had what in retrospect would have been another solid trade.Los Doce Ochonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-26532963414783133892012-02-23T18:02:28.716-05:002012-02-23T18:02:28.716-05:00Well, if anyone's still reading here on Matt M...Well, if anyone's still reading here on Matt Moore, I think the real point is that -- regardless of how we Nationals fans would have reacted -- Mike Rizzo knew what he was doing, if indeed he wanted to trade for Moore. I <i>know</i> I can't evaluate minor-league pitchers. This is evidence that Rizzo can.<br /><br />(And I don't really know about Jeremy Lin, but the Rays have already signed Moore to a spiffy 5-year [???] contract. So somebody smart thinks he'll stick around.)Scooterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16212781754082333423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-27193644492744409812012-02-23T17:18:20.553-05:002012-02-23T17:18:20.553-05:00I think folks are saying Moore for Dunn came out o...I think folks are saying Moore for Dunn came out of nowhere, not that Moore came out of nowhere. <br /><br />My earlier point was that Boz led the "sign Adam Dunn" crowd and for him to now imply that the Lerners held up the trade of the century is disingenuous on his part, at best.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-28990638709559154472012-02-23T16:34:42.383-05:002012-02-23T16:34:42.383-05:00Please stop with the Matt Moore came out of nowher...Please stop with the Matt Moore came out of nowhere stuff.<br /><br />Matt Moore was a TB top 5 prospect and Baseball America top 35 prospect after the 2009 season and was one of the top 3 or 4 lefty starter prospects in baseball at the time. He followed that up with an amazing season at Charlotte - 208k/144 inn - 3.41 k/bb ratio - awesome numbers in the FSL<br /><br />He has been a 5 star prospect for three yearsLos Doce Ochonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-76719390293769997882012-02-23T14:08:03.034-05:002012-02-23T14:08:03.034-05:00Anonymous said...
Regaring Dunn for Moore, try to...<i>Anonymous said... <br />Regaring Dunn for Moore, try to imagine the lambasting column Boz would have written about that move! Trading a sure-fire hall of famer (remember, that is what he thought Dunn was as he was certainly going to hit 600 dingers) for some unproven A-ball pitcher. He would have ripped the Lerners a new one for being so cheap. Now he sounds like everyone was stupid for not making such a move, whether it was real or imagined. Boz really is a piece of work! Remember, this is a guy that was adamant that the Nats should not have drafted Stephen Strasburg but should have taken Chipper Jones instead. A mere detail that they weren't in the same draft. <br /><br />February 23, 2012 1:55 PM </i><br /><br />Boz is partially right on the Matt Moore for Adam Dunn as I remember it. I remember doing some research in 2010 on Moore when I was told of the rumor involving Dunn, and had never heard of him at the time, and he was a Top 50 prospect and I don't believe he was Top 5 in Tampa prospects list. I think Rizzo wanted Moore plus an outfielder they had and Tampa wouldn't do the deal.<br /><br />Out of nowhere in 2011 (1 year ago) Moore breaks Minor League camp and was assigned to AA. He lit up AA and did better in AAA. All I got to say is, I am glad he is pitching in the American League.Steve M.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-20048719616181837952012-02-23T13:59:02.859-05:002012-02-23T13:59:02.859-05:00NatsJack in Florida said...
The Lerner bashers ar...<i>NatsJack in Florida said... <br />The Lerner bashers are back in force. Good grief. <br /><br />February 23, 2012 1:29 PM </i><br /><br />Boz has given them plenty of fuel for their bonfire.<br /><br />This Matt Moore thing is ridiculous. Look, the Rays don't give something up for nothing which is why they are so good. Andrew Friedman is the best in the game. They were willing to give up Matt Moore as a guy with "prospect" status who was struggling with control. They had no idea that he would catch fire like he did in 2011. He was a hard throwing lefty with some wildness in 2010 and swing and miss stuff. <br /><br />What ever happened in 2011 was amazing to watch his growth. I love the kid. I have seen him pitch. Lets see how he does over the course of a season in the MLB.<br /><br />Hindsight, sure. Foresight in 2010, no way.Steve M.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-6575577566136344202012-02-23T13:55:55.130-05:002012-02-23T13:55:55.130-05:00If you parse what everyone is saying carefully, yo...If you parse what everyone is saying carefully, you'll see that Zimmerman won't negotiate past Saturday. Also, according to Boz, the Lerners have to approve the pending deal. That means a deal is already negotiated! So the deadline has been met. Brodie van Wagonen has not made ultimatums in the past and signed Zim to his last contract on Opening Day, after the same desire not to negotiate had been made. Zim did not say he wouldn't sign past this weekend, only negotiate. As others have pointed out here, there is more to signing a deal than simply negotiating the parameters. I take Boz's article as good news and Rizzo certainly doesn't throw any cold water on that. My take is that things with Zim are in good shape.<br /><br />Regaring Dunn for Moore, try to imagine the lambasting column Boz would have written about that move! Trading a sure-fire hall of famer (remember, that is what he thought Dunn was as he was certainly going to hit 600 dingers) for some unproven A-ball pitcher. He would have ripped the Lerners a new one for being so cheap. Now he sounds like everyone was stupid for not making such a move, whether it was real or imagined. Boz really is a piece of work! Remember, this is a guy that was adamant that the Nats should not have drafted Stephen Strasburg but should have taken Chipper Jones instead. A mere detail that they weren't in the same draft.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-61469788824502717042012-02-23T13:49:47.732-05:002012-02-23T13:49:47.732-05:00Tcostant, I don't know who Mike Moore is but M...Tcostant, I don't know who Mike Moore is but Matt Moore was a 3.15 ERA guy in the SALLY League for 1/2 of 2010. He got promoted to High A (equivalent of the P-Nats) and his ERA went up to 3.36. He was 21 at the time. I wouldn't have done a straight up Matt Moore for Adam Dunn deal at that time and I have been following him as a top 50 prospect.<br /><br />Hindsight is a great thing but being honest, straight up and fair is another.<br /><br />Rizzo would have been laughed out of town if he made that deal in 2010. Matt Moore went on to Spring Training in 2011 and lit it up and got a promotion to AA. He literally went from a High A kid to AA stud and got even better when he was promoted to AAA.<br /><br />I mentioned Matt Moore on this very Forum last July or August as a hidden gem and nobody even cared a bit about him. You can scour the NI archives if you want to. I don't think anyone commented on my report on him.<br /><br />This is a non-news story now as far as I'm concerned. This guy right now is the Jeremy Lin of the MLB.Steve M.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-34332713977617331992012-02-23T13:31:38.881-05:002012-02-23T13:31:38.881-05:00I think part of the reason free agent deals get do...I think part of the reason free agent deals get done faster is that they don't have two years without competition, so that's not entirely comparable, but the question is a good one--if you can do the deal in two weeks on some other guy with whom you don't have a relationship and an investment, why not this guy here and now? <br /><br />I also don't think "not in the negotiations" = "doesn't know what's being said, by whom." But it would have been reasonable for them to ask Rizzo "WTF?" on that deal at the time, if it did happen at all, as Steve M points out. So it is probably a bad example, at the best of it.Soul Possession, PFB Sofahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891662837668214475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-34966645711501241062012-02-23T13:29:07.679-05:002012-02-23T13:29:07.679-05:00The Lerner bashers are back in force. Good grief.The Lerner bashers are back in force. Good grief.NatsJack in Floridanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-91395520747512371542012-02-23T13:25:00.390-05:002012-02-23T13:25:00.390-05:00Eastern Market Nats Dude is right, everyone should...Eastern Market Nats Dude is right, everyone should read Bos article today (at washingtonpost.com); it basicly says the front office is ready to re-sign Zimm, but the Lerners don't want another disaster like the Werth contract. I bet those quotes were given to Bos, for no other reason to put peasure on Mark Lerner to light up on the purse stings.<br /><br />In the end, he was dead on during the Dunn contract talks and I believe Zimm won't be re-signed theis offseason (and end up costing the Nationals more). A little nugget in the article stated that the owners shout down a Mike Moore for Dunn deal in the past when his front office wanted to do it - stupid!<br /><br />Will - Zimm stated earlier, the distraction is the press asking him and his teammates avout his contract status.Tcostantnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-13417093046734725772012-02-23T13:22:45.291-05:002012-02-23T13:22:45.291-05:00N cognitive
I am referring to nats empliyees
In th...N cognitive<br />I am referring to nats empliyees<br />In the nats website go to roster then front office tab. Scroll down to baseball ops and see the working stiffs who have been getting stiffed by the lernersAl mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-24955865774209570642012-02-23T13:18:39.081-05:002012-02-23T13:18:39.081-05:00I always believe that where's there's smok...I always believe that where's there's smoke there's fire so I fully expect this to get done in the next few weeks and that's a good thing.<br /><br /> The other part of this equation of course is Rendon who will then become our Justin Smoak, or Jesus Montero if his performance warrants. This should give us an opportunity to put another big puzzle piece in place at the trade dead ine.<br /><br /> I don't believe that Rendon moves off 3rd base. I think that this is where he represents the greatest value to the Nats and to his career.JDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-4054137041121079252012-02-23T13:12:54.859-05:002012-02-23T13:12:54.859-05:00If Zimmerman has a healthy and productive season, ...If Zimmerman has a healthy and productive season, he will cost Rizzo a lot more next winter. The Nats have everything to gain and almost nothing to lose by signing him NOW!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-90459653190328750822012-02-23T13:00:24.690-05:002012-02-23T13:00:24.690-05:00I think Lerner should have Boswell negotiate the d...<i>I think Lerner should have Boswell negotiate the deal since he has it all figured out.</i><br /><br />I think Lerner should have Boswell negotiate the deal, and then quash it out of spite.Feel Woodnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-13267078224613643842012-02-23T12:53:24.801-05:002012-02-23T12:53:24.801-05:00NatsJack in Florida said...
One thing people temd...<i>NatsJack in Florida said... <br />One thing people temd to ignore is that there is a third party to all these long term contract negotiations and every bit as difficult to finalize.<br /><br />That would be the insurance underwriters that the club deals with in order to protect their interest. It's partly what Rizzo refers to as "complicted". <br /><br />February 23, 2012 11:59 AM </i><br /><br />Its a good point but we have seen Free Agent deals come together quicker.<br /><br />I think Lerner should have Boswell negotiate the deal since he has it all figured out.Steve M.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-73107696870261728382012-02-23T12:51:28.624-05:002012-02-23T12:51:28.624-05:00Good question-- what is Face of the Franchise? Si...Good question-- what is Face of the Franchise? Since baseball doesn't have a "franchise tag" that it can stick on players to keep them from being free-agents for a year, then, yes, it has no financial or legal meaning. And, no, if you traded the Face of the Franchise, that would not mean you were blowing up the place.<br /><br />Rather, I think it means <br /><br />the player who is the first port-of-call for insights/reaction when things happen, e.g., Riggs quitting; <br /><br />the player who is seen on billboards and is most recognizable to DC folk who can't recite the 40-man by heart; <br /><br />the player who may (or may not) have some influence on ownership and management when it comes to trades/acquisitions; <br /><br />the "local boy" who makes other local kids imagine they can make it in pro sports.NatsLadyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06814911056080758503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-51373942200267167672012-02-23T12:47:43.701-05:002012-02-23T12:47:43.701-05:00A made-up Adam Dunn for Matt Moore trade.
I would...<i>A made-up Adam Dunn for Matt Moore trade.<br /><br />I would like to know the source for this information, too. How do you know this is made up? Because that's a pretty strong thing to say, especially if you're accusing someone of distributing unsourced speculation as fact. I'm certainly in no position to know--maybe you DO have such sources. Just asking.</i><br /><br />Boswell admits that his sources are not involved in negotiations. (Read today's column.)Trades require negotiations, especially if they reach the stage where an owner would step in to quash them. So if someone who's not involved in negotiations is the source for Boswell's report that ownership quashed a Dunn-Matt Moore trade that was otherwise a done deal, then someone is making stuff up. Or, if you want to put it a different way, someone is speculating. Speculation is a long way from fact.Feel Woodnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-6270951864553166622012-02-23T12:46:55.649-05:002012-02-23T12:46:55.649-05:00Anonymous said...
Boswell is hallucinating. He ad...<i>Anonymous said... <br />Boswell is hallucinating. He admits in his column today that his sources are not involved in negotiations. <br />February 23, 2012 12:25 PM </i><br /><br />While you may think it is far fetched, I have spoken to people that aren't in the room but know what is going on.<br /><br />You just have to know what your source's motivation is for giving you the information as sometimes they give you the wrong information (lookup a guy named Bill Ladson---often receives 100% bogus intel).<br /><br />One of my top sources has left the building so I am in the dark on this one. Wish I could give some inside thoughts.<br /><br />On Matt Moore, that is such garbage. Matt Moore was in High A ball at the time Boswell is referring to and was struggling there at 21 years old. The kid's ascent to greatness in 2011 is miraculous. Its like Jeremy Lin. Came out of nowhere.<br /><br />This isn't like Matt Moore was offered in 2011, we are talking different place, different time, different circumstances, and Matt Moore straight up for Adam Dunn was laughable at the time. Sure, nobody is laughing now.Steve M.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-14235384295836435282012-02-23T12:33:55.908-05:002012-02-23T12:33:55.908-05:00A made-up Adam Dunn for Matt Moore trade.
I would...<i>A made-up Adam Dunn for Matt Moore trade.</i><br /><br />I would like to know the source for this information, too. How do you know this is made up? Because that's a pretty strong thing to say, especially if you're accusing someone of distributing unsourced speculation as fact. I'm certainly in no position to know--maybe you DO have such sources. Just asking.Soul Possession, PFB Sofahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891662837668214475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-17024068939707317112012-02-23T12:32:44.558-05:002012-02-23T12:32:44.558-05:00Truly I am hallucinating. I see both bold and regu...Truly I am hallucinating. I see both bold and regular text, and neither one of them contains a lick of sense. So Periculum is a Boswell jock-sniffer. That explains a lot.Feel Woodnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-11771821035864995232012-02-23T12:29:23.025-05:002012-02-23T12:29:23.025-05:00My own take on Boswell is that he's not just a...My own take on Boswell is that he's not just a sports columnist, he's a *Washington* sports columnist. What I mean by that is: people talk to him or leak to him when they want to influence policy (for example, the Zimm negotiations). He accomodates them in order to keep his sources "live." So the result is that from time to time we have Rizzo sending messages to the Lerners, Rizzo sending messages to Harper, other front-office execs sending messages to Rizzo, and so on. Sometimes the message is overt (I seem to remember a Rizzo "I've got ties in Arizona (and I'll go there if you don't treat me right") column from last year, and I thought it was interesting in a similar way that Boz' "get the deal done" column ran a couple of hours before the Nats pulled the trigger on Gonzales. I think today's piece is a private note from Rizzo or one of his lieutenants to the Lerners. We get to watch.<br /><br />Not sure if I really like this style of column-ing, but it's better than the New York chipmunks I grew up with.Alan_Anoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-29115928331902568022012-02-23T12:25:49.992-05:002012-02-23T12:25:49.992-05:00Boswell is hallucinating. He admits in his column ...<i>Boswell is hallucinating. He admits in his column today that his sources are not involved in negotiations. Yet he goes on to state as fact that the Lerners have stepped in and quashed (or attempted to quash) many deals that were on the verge of happening. A made-up Adam Dunn for Matt Moore trade.</i><br /><br /><b>And he also stated that these were ex-Nats that informed him of that ownership nixed trade. He further stated that he isn't a beat reporter so he only reports on things he knows.</b><br /><br />Boz isn't perfect but I rather doubt he would report a Dunn for Matt Moore trade unless he knew for certain it almost happened. He is also directly responsible for unwedging the Gio trade. Right now Rizzo probably does indeed confide in Boz ... of-the-record.<br /><br />You're the one who's hallucinating FeelWood. Boz also has an in with Johnson who was also likely aware of it as a consultant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-65791331434199392472012-02-23T12:24:21.499-05:002012-02-23T12:24:21.499-05:00"Re the Learners moa. Since the stadium opene...<i>"Re the Learners moa. Since the stadium opened, security guards and other hourly working stiffs have had 1 raise of 25 cents."</i><br /><br />To be fair, that was <i>per hour</i>, not week. Now <b>that</b> would be cheap.Soul Possession, PFB Sofahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891662837668214475noreply@blogger.com