tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post7250942649962595316..comments2024-02-15T05:42:18.307-05:00Comments on Nats Insider: Nats sweep Tigers in early season testMark Zuckermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13525315258889435961noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-12415439159136131482013-05-10T13:37:27.970-04:002013-05-10T13:37:27.970-04:00because once he pitches, he becomes a fielder, and...because once he pitches, he becomes a fielder, and if he can't catch a ball, or make a clean throw to first, that doesn't speak to his pitching. It doesn't matter that it's his own error--it has no more to do with his pitching than anybody else's errors do. Wild pitches are his fault as a pitcher; passed balls are not.Holden Baroquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05941566402992955387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-1048674050414582732013-05-10T11:36:40.605-04:002013-05-10T11:36:40.605-04:00And, if a pitcher makes the error, why is the run ...And, if a pitcher makes the error, why is the run unearned? That has always bugged me. <br />ehay2khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16441654620820540390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-79779719769882266072013-05-10T11:35:48.879-04:002013-05-10T11:35:48.879-04:00Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that all stats a...Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that all stats are elaborate, but there certainly are some that are. And, since most stats end up incorporating things that are subjective factors (like errors that get called which make runs unearned), I believe that in general they need to be taken with a grain of salt. <br /><br /><br /><br />ehay2khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16441654620820540390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-10337736828831790842013-05-10T11:06:29.111-04:002013-05-10T11:06:29.111-04:00Eric said...
Isn't Harper in right at the mom...Eric said...<br /><br />Isn't Harper in right at the moment simply because no bench guys can cover right as well while Werth's hurt?<br />May 10, 2013 8:13<br /><br />I would think Bernadina can cover RF pretty well also. His arm certainly isn't up to Harper's standard but neither is any other outfielder on the Nats roster. Knoxville Nathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06726017456843267737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-46583734103065631302013-05-10T10:31:25.851-04:002013-05-10T10:31:25.851-04:00I believe in that baseball-reference table, ERA+ i...I believe in that baseball-reference table, ERA+ is ERA adjusted for park.<br /><br />I'm not really sure what people mean by elaborate vs. not elaborate. Some of them are fairly involved mathematically, but I haven't encountered any yet that are elaborate on that front.<br /><br />I do think some are exceedingly esoteric, but that doesn't mean they aren't useful.<br /><br />I do think it can be misleading to think of any one given stat as operating in a vacuum. When it comes to playing an actual game, any given player's tendencies for a given stat is constantly interacting with the tendencies of opposing players.<br /><br />In a similar vein, I think stats are probably very helpful when it comes to considering how to improve a team. If you analyze the interaction of all the stats of the players on your team, statistical weaknesses might be discernible. So, you seek out players who are strong in those areas and do what you can to develop or acquire them.<br /><br />All that said, I really do think for fans, it's entirely a matter of whether or not you're into this sort of thing. If you're a strong data analyst, you could probably crunch the numbers for a full team and get a sense of whether, say, Werth statistically is better or worse fit than Harper for right field. But, while perhaps interesting, just looking at how player A's OPS compares to player B's OPS strikes me as not being all that meaningful regarding which is the better overall player.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00678357994045101892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-58960267433806804992013-05-10T10:28:35.410-04:002013-05-10T10:28:35.410-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00678357994045101892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-72539088779938942952013-05-10T10:15:00.051-04:002013-05-10T10:15:00.051-04:00bowdenball said... Candide-
I see OPS agai...<em>bowdenball said... Candide-<br /><br /> I see OPS against all the time.</em><br /><br />Really? Where? I just pulled up <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/z/zimmejo02.shtml" rel="nofollow">Jordan Zimmermann on baseball-reference.com</a> and the only reference to OPS I see is for his own batting. I don't see anything that shows what the league's OPS against him is.<br />Candidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02384645593063095481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-58355242222762105962013-05-10T10:10:21.919-04:002013-05-10T10:10:21.919-04:00
bowdenball,
Thanks for introducing some sanity...<br /> bowdenball,<br /><br /> Thanks for introducing some sanity to the discussion. <br /><br /> ehay2k,<br /><br /> None of the stats are particularly elaborate; some of the stats are more reliable than others but the general idea is that they introduce some objectivity to a discussion.<br /><br />JDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10464376699196421043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-91904382073440327322013-05-10T10:10:01.850-04:002013-05-10T10:10:01.850-04:00
bowdenball,
Thanks for introducing some sanity...<br /> bowdenball,<br /><br /> Thanks for introducing some sanity to the discussion. <br /><br /> ehay2k,<br /><br /> None of the stats are particularly elaborate; some of the stats are more reliable than others but the general idea is that they introduce some objectivity to a discussion.<br /><br />JDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10464376699196421043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-18431325684882905052013-05-10T09:20:59.506-04:002013-05-10T09:20:59.506-04:00LOL Natsfan1a!
And then there is SnapChat!
All t...LOL Natsfan1a!<br /><br />And then there is SnapChat!<br /><br />All the stats are fine in my book - they generally add to the discussion. However, when some elaborate stat is used to bludgeon a player's worth (UZR is my least fave in this regard), then I tend to tune them out. <br /><br />GYFNG and beat those Cubs! And if Marmol <b>IS</b> in the game, please do NOT swing at 3-0 pitches, especially with the bases loaded! ehay2khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16441654620820540390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-24414245182369902992013-05-10T09:09:49.727-04:002013-05-10T09:09:49.727-04:00I think Harper will move to right and Werth to lef...I think Harper will move to right and Werth to left starting next season. They're deferring to the vet for now, but ultimately the difference in their arm strength will outweigh that consideration.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-82513263833351932712013-05-10T09:06:25.115-04:002013-05-10T09:06:25.115-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00678357994045101892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-11754244518241745172013-05-10T09:04:28.819-04:002013-05-10T09:04:28.819-04:00Internet blogs = old school
Tweeter = new school
...Internet blogs = old school<br /><br />Tweeter = new school<br /><br />(You're welcome. :-))<br /><br />Sec. 3, My Sofa said...<br /><br />I still think it's funny that people brag about being old-fashioned on an Internet blog.<br />May 10, 2013 8:47 AM natsfan1ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14540238101124316529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-88986463200170045432013-05-10T09:00:24.832-04:002013-05-10T09:00:24.832-04:00Eric said...
Isn't Harper in right at the mom...Eric said...<br /><br />Isn't Harper in right at the moment simply because no bench guys can cover right as well while Werth's hurt?<br />May 10, 2013 8:13<br />_______________________________<br />Exactly right,and when Jayson comes back, Bryce will go back to LF.Joe Seamheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17000259234420985114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-52995292102577215412013-05-10T08:56:32.035-04:002013-05-10T08:56:32.035-04:00I thought Haren looked pretty good. If only he wou...I thought Haren looked pretty good. If only he would stop giving up big home-runs.Rabbit34https://www.blogger.com/profile/04896128216568377870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-86299263712758471282013-05-10T08:47:25.998-04:002013-05-10T08:47:25.998-04:00I still think it's funny that people brag abou...I still think it's funny that people brag about being old-fashioned on an Internet blog.Holden Baroquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05941566402992955387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-80785691368128077352013-05-10T08:37:17.336-04:002013-05-10T08:37:17.336-04:00Candide-
I see OPS against all the time.
I'...Candide-<br /><br />I see OPS against all the time. <br /><br />I'm not sure why people feel the need to denigrate stats like FIP or xFIP and the people who use them. They add to some people's understanding and enjoyment of the game. If you don't want to bother learning or understanding them, don't. No reason to lecture about how you don't like them because you "watch the games." The people who like advanced stats watch the games too. You can do both- in fact I think doing both is a sign that someone loves the game enough to want to learn and think about it more.<br /><br />As far as "letting you know when they decide who wins the World Series based on who has a high or low FIP": well that's not really the point of the stat. The point is to separate pitching performance from defensive performance to learn more about the pitchers' performance independent of the defense behind them or the park. <br /><br />However, the top four teams in 2012 in FIP all made the playoffs, along with the 7th, 8th and 9th teams. Two of those teams played in the World Series. None of the bottom 9 in FIP made the playoffs. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-51489713656028231892013-05-10T08:13:52.994-04:002013-05-10T08:13:52.994-04:00"I like Bryce in right and if that is his eve..."I like Bryce in right and if that is his eventual place, then stop moving him around. If right is Werth's landing spot to play out his deal, do it now."<br /><br />Isn't Harper in right at the moment simply because no bench guys can cover right as well while Werth's hurt?Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00678357994045101892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-18841781298332918472013-05-10T07:53:16.877-04:002013-05-10T07:53:16.877-04:00Funny, a hitter's statistic we all like is OPS...Funny, a hitter's statistic we all like is OPS. It's becoming more and more prevalent; you see it in a batter's stats during broadcasts, they put it up on the Jumbotron when he comes up to the plate.<br /><br />And yet we don't see its opposite, i.e., pitcher's OPS <em>against</em>. Instead, we continue to see pitchers' batting averages <em>against</em> players/league. "The league is batting .248 against Shlobotnick..."<br /><br />OPS is a far more meaningful stat than batting average. So why no love for OPS against?Candidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02384645593063095481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-3405244721742008282013-05-10T07:28:36.861-04:002013-05-10T07:28:36.861-04:00The HR by Tulasosopo was on a well-located pitch, ...The HR by Tulasosopo was on a well-located pitch, whatever else it didn't have going for it, including the hitter's good luck.<br /><br />I didn't think that Haren would overcome his early season problems, so congrats to Dan!<br /><br />As for the discussion on a pitcher's W-L record, look who's #2 on the staff in wins!Dochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17614998804163989623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-69362336718547290192013-05-10T07:22:30.962-04:002013-05-10T07:22:30.962-04:00Bullpen ERA for May is a healthy 0.00.
Team sta...Bullpen ERA for May is a healthy 0.00. <br /><br /><a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&lg=all&qual=0&type=0&season=2013&month=5&season1=2013&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=" rel="nofollow">Team stats - relievers, May</a><br /><br />http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&lg=all&qual=0&type=0&season=2013&month=5&season1=2013&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=<br /><br />Starters not too shabby at 2.87 fpr May. <br />Hitters (excluding pitchers) - still shabby BA = .237 (25th in MLB)<br /><br />NatsLadyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06814911056080758503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-41681455239107658212013-05-10T07:20:39.657-04:002013-05-10T07:20:39.657-04:00Onto the Cubs. They have 2 impact everyday player...Onto the Cubs. They have 2 impact everyday players in Castro/Rizzo, both can be really good, but streaky. They struggled early in the season, but Rizzo seams to be stablizing. Jeff Smaradja (I have no idea how to spell that) is their best pitcher and he can be tough (he pitched well against us last year). Getting to the bullpen early is the key.. if Marmol is in the game, then the Cubs have raised the white flag. <br /><br />It will be interesting to see if there is any leftover angst from last year's dust up with Bo and Quirk. I was at all of those games and it was an absolute white wash. Cubs had no chance.MicheleShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04972863154063796569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-68465252899910227202013-05-10T06:25:24.628-04:002013-05-10T06:25:24.628-04:00Sjm-- I second what you said about the outfielder...Sjm-- I second what you said about the outfielders. I like Bryce in right and if that is his eventual place, then stop moving him around. If right is Werth's landing spot to play out his deal, do it now. baseballswamihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03473384422940931212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-51569801565508483342013-05-10T04:50:49.456-04:002013-05-10T04:50:49.456-04:00Just further proof AL ball is inferior.Just further proof AL ball is inferior.Secret wasian manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05627861392111624007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-64474926917134459022013-05-10T02:54:12.671-04:002013-05-10T02:54:12.671-04:00Some of the esoteric stats do help put players'...Some of the esoteric stats do help put players' performance in perspective. For instance, Bill James likes to use numbers that adjust for park effects.<br /><br />That can provide insight in comparing Joe DiMaggio, who had to hit it 450 feet to clear cf in old Yankee Stadium, to someone who played in a band box like the old Baker Bowl in Philadelphia.Drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05291337998094801640noreply@blogger.com