tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post696764069961085856..comments2024-02-15T05:42:18.307-05:00Comments on Nats Insider: Who gets the No. 5 starter's job?Mark Zuckermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13525315258889435961noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-90210255980655148472011-03-11T17:29:50.307-05:002011-03-11T17:29:50.307-05:00How is nobody discussing Broderick? There was a r...How is nobody discussing Broderick? There was a reason the Nats took him in the Rule 5 draft. I know the guy doesn't have that great of stuff but all he does is pound the strike zone. <br /><br />His K/BB rate has been sky high throughout his minor league career as he barely ever walks hitters. Also, in his 2 shots this spring he has been great: 6 IP 4 H 1 ER 4K 0 BB.Dougnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-14872460876577906552011-03-11T15:02:21.654-05:002011-03-11T15:02:21.654-05:00On the other hand, GZ could be a long relief man i...On the other hand, GZ could be a long relief man if his pitching doesn't pick up. He won't like it, but he has played that role in the past.natsfansilverspringnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-52709692285165797642011-03-11T14:28:04.917-05:002011-03-11T14:28:04.917-05:00If Detwiler doesn't make the Opening Day rotat...If Detwiler doesn't make the Opening Day rotation - which he won't, because he has options remaining and others like Gorzelanny don't - he's not going to be the long guy in the bullpen either, no matter how well he pitches the rest of spring training. Why? Because to put him in the bullpen would signal that they've given up on him as a starter. If they want him to remain a starter, they'll send him to Syracuse or Harrisburg so he can start every five days like a developing starter needs to. Pitching on an irregular basis out of the bullpen would ruin him as a possible starter, for this year anyway.Feel Woodnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-68508881362117872052011-03-11T14:27:43.096-05:002011-03-11T14:27:43.096-05:00Agree that Gorzellany makes the team (unless he qu...Agree that Gorzellany makes the team (unless he qualifies for the DL) based on the money he's making and how much was surrendered to obtain him. Further agree that, so far, his acquisition appears to have been an unneeded insurance policy (unless injuries to one or more of the other starters crop up). Maya could probably do as well, though his results so far are mixed. Can make a rationalization for sending Detweiler down, to learn how to pitch at least 7 innings, which I don't think he has done (consistently) any time in his minor league career, let alone w/ the Nats. There is no reason to think Gaudin is capable of what he's done so far once Opening Day rolls around. He is what he is. Heaven knows what they'll do w/ Wang if he ever gets healthy. I think right now it's between Gaudin (ugh), Maya and Stammen for one spot on the roster.Theophilusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-18509749705981945072011-03-11T14:17:18.372-05:002011-03-11T14:17:18.372-05:00Tim said:
'I realize he's been throwing n...Tim said:<br /><br />'I realize he's been throwing nothing but fastballs but they're gettin' hit hard'.<br /><br /> Storen pitched 1 1/3 innings yesterday and had 4 strikeouts; most of the negative comments about him are based on 2 bad outings. I don't think he's going to the minors.JDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-312635436981244902011-03-11T14:01:47.198-05:002011-03-11T14:01:47.198-05:00The thing that others have brought up is that the ...The thing that others have brought up is that the #5SP slot may also be a competition for the Long Relief bullpen job, as well. Gorzellany might be competing against Maya & Detwiler for the SP job, but also needs to watch out for Stammen & Gaudin in the Long Relief role. <br /><br />It may well come down to options remaining / minor-league contract status for both roles, but having multiple pitchers trying to keep a 25-man spot is a good thing for the orginization.BinMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-80147304147153220362011-03-11T13:37:42.464-05:002011-03-11T13:37:42.464-05:00Detwiler needs to make the team, if his trend of p...Detwiler needs to make the team, if his trend of pitching keeps up the rest of the spring. Even if he is not the 5th starter, I prefer Detwiler in the pen and Storen going down to work on whatever his issue really is. Detwiler needs to be in the bigs if he keeps this up...<br /><br />Starting Detwiler in the pen and then starting him later, is a very good way to keep his innings down too (this was done with Perdo, Santana and Liriano just to name a few).Tcostantnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-72083917024170106412011-03-11T13:33:09.231-05:002011-03-11T13:33:09.231-05:00I'd wager thst Detwiler was part of numerous t...I'd wager thst Detwiler was part of numerous trade packages that didn't get worked out this off season... thankfully. I know that hope springs eternal, but I think he and JZimm are gonna be lights out this season.<br /><br />I believe that Storen will start the season at Syracuse, along with Det and Maya. I realize he's been throwing nothing but fastballs but they're gettin' hit hard.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01179264557056912312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-11464388987204391072011-03-11T13:32:35.936-05:002011-03-11T13:32:35.936-05:00I disagree with the 'Gorzy has to show somethi...I disagree with the 'Gorzy has to show something soon' feeling. His track record at the major league level suggests that he could add value to the Nats - not a certainty, but a realistic possibility - and ST should be used to get him ready for the season. It is also premature to make any conclusions about him. He had walking pneumonia before camp started and then some back problems slowed him. While we may not like that he was injured/ill, reality is that it happens to virtually all players, especially pitchers, and it would be wrong to hold it against the player. We need to give him a chance to get healthy and then in game shape, and if that timing is slower than the other guys, put him on the DL to start the season. <br /><br />But we shouldn't make lasting decisions based on delays associated with injuries, and the Nats should sure as heck not make him feel that he has to rush back and prove something in the middle of March. We should do this not because he is making $2m, but because he may be a valuable contributor to the team. As someone said a few blogs ago, the Nats seem to have a pattern of pitchers concealing injuries that in turn lead to poor performance and longer injury absences. I am not saying that it is intentional, but efforts should be made to avoid repeating those situations.Wallynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-86056498292879935752011-03-11T13:26:16.744-05:002011-03-11T13:26:16.744-05:00Pay to Play -- NONE of our pitchers make it throug...Pay to Play -- NONE of our pitchers make it through 7 innings - if ANY of them start to do that on a regular basis, we will be in business!masnstinksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-84432793609289785942011-03-11T13:18:24.581-05:002011-03-11T13:18:24.581-05:00Gorzelanny's acquisition by Rizzo was a desper...Gorzelanny's acquisition by Rizzo was a desperate and stupid move. The roster was already loaded with marginal starting pitchers. One more just added to the confusion. To make matters worse, he will get the #5 slot because he makes a lot more money than the others and Rizzo needs to save face.phil dunnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-53697402787917233712011-03-11T13:16:39.018-05:002011-03-11T13:16:39.018-05:00We don't need to start Gz, make him the long m...We don't need to start Gz, make him the long man out of the bullpen and we might be able to squeeze Det in 25.Diznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-19637962133857149422011-03-11T13:04:30.447-05:002011-03-11T13:04:30.447-05:00Duh, Hairston not Harrison sorry guys
Uh, perhaps...<i>Duh, Hairston not Harrison sorry guys</i><br /><br />Uh, perhaps Bixler looks better? And he too is capable of playing just as many positions and did last year for Syracuse. Plus, he is younger. Makes you wonder why they wasted the money on Hairston ... but then Riggleman likes his older veterans like Hairston, Cora, and Stairs. Likely why he never gets managing jobs except for last place teams and only as a bench coach who then replaces the manager. <br /><br />And his record as a manager appears to reflect that. If you play older guys who can't do what Morse, Bernadina or Harper can? What does that say about you?<br /><br />The last cut will likely be Riggleman.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-38984683535439394142011-03-11T12:48:14.358-05:002011-03-11T12:48:14.358-05:00Duh, Hairston not Harrison
sorry guysDuh, Hairston not Harrison<br />sorry guyssjm 308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-4797184342496241292011-03-11T12:46:58.440-05:002011-03-11T12:46:58.440-05:00"Can you find out if we (the fans) can expect..."Can you find out if we (the fans) can expect a curly "W" in the center field grass this season, or no?"<br /><br />Did they change groundskeepers over thw winter? Because it was the previous head groundskeeper (who was new last year) that decided to discontinue the W in the center field grass. Why? Because someone might trip on it. I kid you not.Feel Woodnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-57602630733074401912011-03-11T12:44:55.723-05:002011-03-11T12:44:55.723-05:00If you look at the 3 prospects we gave up for Gorz...If you look at the 3 prospects we gave up for Gorzo, none of them projected to helping us like he can. Mark did a good job of helping us figure out how the 25 man roster will be filled as far as pitching is concerned and I agree that Detwiller will not be hurt by time in Syracuse.<br />Even though the pitching battles for starters and relief are intriguing, the position battles are just as interesting. Does this group think that one player has moved into a lock for opening day? I think it would be hard to not keep Harrison, and it appears Ankiel is also a positive in the clubhouse and on the field (nice to hear him helping Harper on that catch, wonder if Morgan would have done the same?)<br />I was hoping for 75 wins this year and its still early but if we could actually be relevant in August/Sept, how great would that be??<br /><br />Go Nats!!sjm 308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-46152238584838799302011-03-11T12:36:37.415-05:002011-03-11T12:36:37.415-05:00I'm not worried about Detwiler or Gorzelanny. ...I'm not worried about Detwiler or Gorzelanny. I think both will end up in the rotation sooner rather than later as the Phillies and their left handed bats will be coming very early on ... <br /><br />meanwhile back at the ranch ... I mean the farm ... there are two guys we haven't seen yet who are older prospects, almost assuredly bound for Syracuse, flame thrower Ryan Tatusko who led H-burg to the playoffs last year and a lefty, organization pitcher of the year Tom MIlone. Both might also start for this club before the end of the year but it begs the question ... and, as Mark astutely points out, may be just as important as determining the Nats starting rotation ... and that is who exactly will be starting in Syracuse? They might have 10 starters trying just to make the Chief's rotation? <br /><br />It also makes you wonder about propitious trades that might be made?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-4898063318920332972011-03-11T12:16:31.135-05:002011-03-11T12:16:31.135-05:00TimDz said... I would be shocked to see Mock not g...TimDz said... I would be shocked to see Mock not get cut, NatsJack. If he doesn't, I would suggest that he may have photos of Rizzo in compromising positions. <br />__________________________<br /><br />Nyjer and JMax had those same photos and I don't think Rizzo cares any more. LOL I am hoping this is a new mindset!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-91889718581333835722011-03-11T12:13:27.623-05:002011-03-11T12:13:27.623-05:00Detwiler will absolutely help this club in one way...Detwiler will absolutely help this club in one way or the other in 2011.<br /><br />He needs to start in Syracuse and see if he can get through the 7th inning consistently and showing dominance. If he can't do it, I have the uptmost confidence that he could be dominant in the bullpen and much better than Doug Slaten as the lefty.PAY TO PLAYnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-12313267649587684872011-03-11T12:07:36.431-05:002011-03-11T12:07:36.431-05:00http://www.nationalsarmrace.com/?p=758 Touched on...http://www.nationalsarmrace.com/?p=758 Touched on this same topic at length last week and resulted in a lengthy comment discussion. Agree that Gorzelanny needs to show some improvements soon and will be on a short leash come 4/1/11.Todd Bosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02588001750834983356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-60580802073404063432011-03-11T11:54:43.962-05:002011-03-11T11:54:43.962-05:00The Nats top priority is to not waste money. Gorz...The Nats top priority is to not waste money. Gorz is in, Gaudin is the long man and the guys with options will go to the minors at least for the time being. Not much to talk about here really. dfh21Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-60549883044595210122011-03-11T11:54:20.096-05:002011-03-11T11:54:20.096-05:00NatsJack -- I don't see the need to send any p...NatsJack -- I don't see the need to send any pitchers down immediately. If all of the starters are going only five innings (at most) for the next couple of weeks, they need to burn 3-4 pitchers a day for a while. They don't have that many surplus arms in camp. <br /><br />On the other hand, it's time for some of the surplus position players to go, e.g., Van Every, Frazier, Bixler, Lombardozzi. Cora, Gonzalez, Stairs, Ankiel, Nix, Bernandina (and Morgan) are in competition for real jobs and need the ABs. (Marrero probably needs to stick around for a few days to see if LaRoche stays healthy.) And there are no more split-squad days.<br /><br /> (I would not buy Mock a ticket to Syracuse; Auburn would be far enough.)Theophilusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-24853815880572093602011-03-11T11:41:34.402-05:002011-03-11T11:41:34.402-05:00Detwiler needs to start in Syracuse to show that h...Detwiler needs to start in Syracuse to show that he can consistently get through the opposing teams lineup the second/third time around...Steve M makes that very point above.<br /><br />I would be shocked to see Mock not get cut, NatsJack. If he doesn't, I would suggest that he may have photos of Rizzo in compromising positions.TimDznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-143053588505002992011-03-11T11:37:29.679-05:002011-03-11T11:37:29.679-05:00Perhaps Gorzelanny isn't the only one on the h...Perhaps Gorzelanny isn't the only one on the hot seat to make the OD roster. If stockpiling is priority like Mark suggest (and I agree), then Lannan and JZnn could also be sent down to start the year if Detwiler and Maya are just too good not to use. JZ is on an innings limit so perhaps the FO sends him to SYR as sort of an extended Spring Training to ease him into the year. While his numbers look good, he hasn't been particularly sharp - probably due to rust. Why not let him make a few 5 inning starts in SYR to build up more arm strength and then call him around the beginning of May to replace whoever is hurt/sucking. <br /><br />I believe the development and progression of Jordan Zimmermann is far and away the most critical issue/storyline/question mark for the team this year. If the team is going to contend sooner rather than later, JZ has got to be a top-flight #2 starter behind Strasburg for the forseeable future. I'm anxious to see how he's handled.courtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-69484116959922330562011-03-11T11:29:00.597-05:002011-03-11T11:29:00.597-05:00Detwiler just needs to pitch every 5th day till he...Detwiler just needs to pitch every 5th day till he hits his innings limit. I think both he and Maya could be the 3,4 starters for the nats 2012 season.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12049885953973744819noreply@blogger.com