tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post6784924219395208164..comments2024-02-15T05:42:18.307-05:00Comments on Nats Insider: Espinosa to play with torn rotator cuffMark Zuckermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13525315258889435961noreply@blogger.comBlogger64125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-90987881124773195242013-01-27T11:56:34.548-05:002013-01-27T11:56:34.548-05:00Iowa: right with you, on the team being able and r...Iowa: right with you, on the team being able and responsible for running every test under the sun, anytime somebody's hurting badly enough to affect their play. However, nobody can order anybody to be cut...that's up to the individual. I reckon the club could shut him down, until he can show he's completely healed, but not "order" any surgeries...<br /><br />James: it's not his throwing shoulder, FWIW (not much). <br /><br />Doc: "UnkyD", your rotator cuff is almost completely torn..."<br /><br />Me: "Fix it... NOW"<br /><br />Sorry, Danny... A little tear=rehab (like I'm doing now, BTW). "Almost completely torn"= get it fixed, ASAP. It's not rocket science. (And yes, Tony, I'm a world renowned expert...)UnkyDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10427401050130317607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-49955322034248935192013-01-27T11:09:29.440-05:002013-01-27T11:09:29.440-05:00Bad judgment by Espi not to get his shoulder fixed...Bad judgment by Espi not to get his shoulder fixed in the off season. Also bad decision to play in the international baseball thing.<br /><br />Range does not matter if you can't throw. <br /><br />By ignoring this, he's setting himself up for trouble if he whiffs a ton in ST or early in the season. JamesFanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17176931883287954229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-13445609640618402562013-01-27T10:35:35.631-05:002013-01-27T10:35:35.631-05:00Should of had it repaired the day after we lost to...Should of had it repaired the day after we lost to the Cards. He would be healthy now. Pretty much a no brainerBigCathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09727667793782237744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-66113463400210255592013-01-27T10:27:14.961-05:002013-01-27T10:27:14.961-05:00Here come the injuries and ailments and spring tra...Here come the injuries and ailments and spring training hasn't even started. Werth is shot with bad legs, a twice severely broken wrist and chronic back problems while The heathy Beast is now in Seattle and AJ Cole pitches in Hagerstown. Rizzo, that trade was dumb if you are going for broke this season. At least he kept Lombardozzi. Espinosa will be under the knife by May 1, just like Laroche two seasons ago. He thought he could play through the injury too.phil duntonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05517206706881671277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-60340479175203974042013-01-27T10:16:15.570-05:002013-01-27T10:16:15.570-05:00(Slaps forehead)
Count me among the pessimists. ...(Slaps forehead)<br /><br />Count me among the pessimists. I predict Espi will kill rallies right and left, until they finally pull the plug on him for the year in May.<br /><br />I have yet to learn of a situation where a player played successfully through a shoulder injury like this one with "strengthening exercises." They always go under the knife sooner rather than later.<br /><br />As for penny-wise, pound foolish on the MRI, as a native Minnesotan, nothing will top Kirby Puckett's career ending early from glaucoma for want of a routine $20 eye exam (in 1995 dollars).Sniviushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01362759420902407469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-18018303421886513132013-01-27T08:27:23.294-05:002013-01-27T08:27:23.294-05:00"More Lombo and Rendon at 2B will be an impro..."More Lombo and Rendon at 2B will be an improvement over the current Espinosa. "<br /><br />I would love to hear Davey on how he intends to handle that. He could platoon those two, since Lombo is a much better hitter from the left side than the right, and Rendon would be much better against lefties.<br /><br />I am assuming that Danny has to sit, sooner or later. We all saw what he did in September at the plate after injuring that shoulder. The minute he aggravates that injury, he will have to sit.<br /><br />I am sorry for Danny, but the games will go on. And Rizzo could still make a deal to plug that hole, if Rendon is not yet ready.<br /><br />Man, last year it was Morse and Storen, the year before it was ALR and Ryan, and SS was already on rehab from TJ surgery. They were already thin at middle infield, and then they lose Kobernus to Rule 5. So, naturally, their first casualty is their 2nd baseman. Other teams also have injuries, but the Nats have them before they even get to the starting line.Laddie Blah Blahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16474416524698003749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-6771041742339154622013-01-27T08:19:54.679-05:002013-01-27T08:19:54.679-05:00Rabbit - I agree with you on this. I am also not ...Rabbit - I agree with you on this. I am also not a doctor and I have to think that he was given options and what the chances are of re-injuring it. I just can't imagine getting through the entire season if it totally torn like one report said. If the tendon was partially torn then maybe the rehab worked but why wouldn't he get the operation and come back 100% and help us at the end of the year. Only good news is we do have depth with Lombo but we do not have depth at SS.sjm308https://www.blogger.com/profile/01236550495879254916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-13913847791170856092013-01-27T08:08:18.300-05:002013-01-27T08:08:18.300-05:00I admit to having never been inside a clubhouse or...I admit to having never been inside a clubhouse or front office, but it strikes me that the club is responsible for the medical care of its players. Whenever there is an injury or possible injury, isn't the club dictating which tests are run, which surgeries are taken, when the surgeries are performed and overall being in charge of the rehab? Not faulting the Nats here because I have no idea what they did or didn't do, but if Espi learned it was torn a couple weeks after the season, and if surgery is the best option, then wouldn't the club have ordered it done? Who calls the shots here? Iowa Nats Fanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16096813084404589114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-73217690686455087002013-01-27T06:57:35.091-05:002013-01-27T06:57:35.091-05:00More Lombo and Rendon at 2B will be an improvement...More Lombo and Rendon at 2B will be an improvement over the current Espinosa. He should be tested at Syracuse and not open at Nationals Park. I'm not the ace doctor the Nats have, but I know if he plays he will be lost for most of the season. So, why not just repair the injury now rather than hurt the team? I just don't trust Espinosa, the doctor, or the Nationals if he plays.Rabbit34https://www.blogger.com/profile/15914662294717993725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-45303401676854529232013-01-26T22:54:09.768-05:002013-01-26T22:54:09.768-05:00Guys: its been diagnosed - he has a tear in one o...Guys: its been diagnosed - he has a tear in one of the tendons in the shoulder - if he has rested and done the rehab work with the surrounding muscles there is a chance that things will be ok - I said chance - I obviously have not seen the mri - it is not his throwing arm so that is one good thing.<br />I am a bit miffed that our team Dr. did not catch this because its really not that hard to see a tear in one of the tendons. The fact that he is not in pain right now is a good thing and the fact that our season was over in Oct and he has been rehabbing for 3 months is also a good thing.<br /><br />This is not like a muscle injury, in fact, the muscles supporting the joint will play a key part in keeping him on the field. Could he reinjure himself? absolutely. Its not a great situation but at least he knows what is going on now and if there is an issue, he will not try and hide it like he did this last time.<br /><br />One last thing - JayB - am I to understand that the only reason we lost the playoffs to the Cardinals was Danny Espinosa?? As much of a fan as you are have to step back, take a deep breath and look at this game we love. One guy and one manager lost the playoffs?? Seriously?? Did Danny perform? No. Was it the reason we lost, NO? Get off your soap box and find something else to bitch about.sjm308https://www.blogger.com/profile/01236550495879254916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-45456023486799795742013-01-26T22:21:30.549-05:002013-01-26T22:21:30.549-05:00Steady, I agree it makes you wonder. But I can...Steady, I agree it makes you wonder. But I can't think of any reason (other than cost), that a player who is already having an MRI to diagnose an injury couldn't be given the enhanced MRI, which simply involves injecting a dye into the joint so the MRI will be more revealing and therefore more likely to result in the proper diagnosis. Section 222https://www.blogger.com/profile/17106128453333996193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-54552956111158353602013-01-26T21:35:50.776-05:002013-01-26T21:35:50.776-05:00That's my recollection as well.
Tony said...
...That's my recollection as well.<br /><br />Tony said...<br /><br /> As I recall the only one who hit in the playoffs at all was Desi.natsfan1ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14540238101124316529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-37509185268159618102013-01-26T21:23:41.719-05:002013-01-26T21:23:41.719-05:00JayB said...
I'm sorry...I know you all will b...<i>JayB said...<br />I'm sorry...I know you all will bash me for questioning Mark's professional duties here. Let me say I have supported Mark in more ways than most here BUT..................<br />How on gods green earth do you not ask Rizzo and Davey about this.</i><br /><br />Espinosa broke the news to us after we had already had our time with Rizzo. And Davey wasn't there today.<br /><br />I'm certain we'll be asking both guys about Espinosa's shoulder plenty the next chance we get to speak to them.Mark Zuckermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13525315258889435961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-12079517724585286782013-01-26T21:14:35.264-05:002013-01-26T21:14:35.264-05:00JayB, you always seem to be angry, no matter what ...JayB, you always seem to be angry, no matter what the team does. That's your right, but it doesn't strike me that anyone else is to blame for it. More like it's a choice.natsfan1ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14540238101124316529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-5318878045636245532013-01-26T21:11:37.156-05:002013-01-26T21:11:37.156-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.natsfan1ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14540238101124316529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-61670685891855464992013-01-26T21:11:20.050-05:002013-01-26T21:11:20.050-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.natsfan1ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14540238101124316529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-8948831260421430462013-01-26T20:52:27.536-05:002013-01-26T20:52:27.536-05:00As I recall the only one who hit in the playoffs a...As I recall the only one who hit in the playoffs at all was Desi. Were the rest of them experiencing sympathetic pains from Espi's injury? That's one magic rotator cuff.The Real Feel Wood. Accept no substitutes.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13147290573966561009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-834234958222166792013-01-26T20:49:22.491-05:002013-01-26T20:49:22.491-05:00Njack...your view is your view....I for one feel t...Njack...your view is your view....I for one feel that this news is why I was so angry at the end of the year. Davey and Rizzo made major miss steps that lead to under performance in the Post Season. Thus a 98 win team fell flat...when it could and should have won it all.JayBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11448827055342357809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-27673735662513729242013-01-26T20:49:19.958-05:002013-01-26T20:49:19.958-05:00I tore my rotator cuff in high school, and it didn...I tore my rotator cuff in high school, and it didn't affect my swing at all. I couldn't throw the ball from 1B to the mound, but I could hit for some reason. Danny should be just fine, provided he can manage the pain. It really hurts every time you aggravate it. I hope he can keep it together this year.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12896104450413589613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-51516309921580603432013-01-26T20:45:32.828-05:002013-01-26T20:45:32.828-05:00I'd love to see the medical diplomas of all th...I'd love to see the medical diplomas of all these experts who are questioning the decisions made here and elsewhere. My guess is that the so-called experts here have never spent a night in a Holiday Inn Express in their lives.The Real Feel Wood. Accept no substitutes.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13147290573966561009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-23946319810609358452013-01-26T20:14:43.882-05:002013-01-26T20:14:43.882-05:00222 -- it really does make me wonder what goes on ...222 -- it really does make me wonder what goes on in MLB clubhouses as to how much players can get away with hiding the extent of injuries vs. how much management can or does try to force closer examination. And how much is a contract or union issue. Just think about how much teams get away with hiding "injured" players on the DL who are not performing (which isn't to say they aren't genuinely injured, just that the lines are so blurred they're almost impossible to follow consistently).Steady Eddiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11342496530868597550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-25530424793532470322013-01-26T20:08:23.655-05:002013-01-26T20:08:23.655-05:00With the Espy injury Rendon drawing closer to his ...With the Espy injury Rendon drawing closer to his MLB debut. Get Some Playershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14653997027503590155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-67400855516609463132013-01-26T19:58:25.065-05:002013-01-26T19:58:25.065-05:00When would be the appropriate time to ask the team...When would be the appropriate time to ask the team why it doesn't do enhanced MRIs every time a player has a joint injury? How many times does a player need to be misdiagnosed, hurting the player and the team.Section 222https://www.blogger.com/profile/17106128453333996193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-13232661365999753912013-01-26T19:45:18.963-05:002013-01-26T19:45:18.963-05:00JayB, hopefully for you someone else will fulfill ... JayB, hopefully for you someone else will fulfill your desire to have your sense of victimization renewed by the hoped-for "bashing".<br /><br />No writer will ask them that because it's entirely unproductive to get into a woulda coulda shoulda debate about <i>past things that can't be changed.</i>. <br /><br />Whereas asking them about how they would anticipate handling different contingencies in Danny's potential future conditions is reasonable to ask about, even if there's only so much Rizzo or Davey would be willing orae to say about it.<br /><br />Steady Eddiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11342496530868597550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-19883544438432508002013-01-26T19:38:48.833-05:002013-01-26T19:38:48.833-05:00NatsFest was fun. In a warm building, even better....NatsFest was fun. In a warm building, even better. :-) Didn't know that Mark was there, me having a not-so-smart phone and all. Saw a couple of baseball buddies late in the day, at the Nats Jeopardy session. I also attended a couple of Q&A sessions (and, yes, we both "Druu'd" and "standing O'd" him). Among other things, I learned that Jayson Werth is a funny guy. (Cue the Good Fellas lines.) More later. natsfan1ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14540238101124316529noreply@blogger.com