tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post6685010348035791854..comments2024-02-15T05:42:18.307-05:00Comments on Nats Insider: Ramos 4th, Espinosa 6th in ROY voteMark Zuckermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13525315258889435961noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-9467744634635226022011-11-15T18:30:56.993-05:002011-11-15T18:30:56.993-05:00Ugh, Kimbrel. Maybe if he was a starter I could ac...Ugh, Kimbrel. Maybe if he was a starter I could accept that. But since he's a closer, granted a great closer, who only pitches about one inning a game, I hold this in complete disdain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-3044090717313423842011-11-15T09:08:13.614-05:002011-11-15T09:08:13.614-05:00Kudos to to Espi and Ramos for garnering votes. I...Kudos to to Espi and Ramos for garnering votes. I think the voters made the right choices with Kimbrel and Hellickson.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-77793151255064283572011-11-15T09:05:13.768-05:002011-11-15T09:05:13.768-05:00As far as future World Series the Nationals are sl...As far as future World Series the Nationals are slated to lose the 2012 World Series, then win the next seven beginning in 2013. That is all...UNTERPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-80429972475246886592011-11-15T07:38:14.399-05:002011-11-15T07:38:14.399-05:00He's just wearing his "oh, no, you didn&#...He's just wearing his "oh, no, you didn't just try to sneak one past me - arrrgghhhh" face, Anon.natsfan1anoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-64474584320664075022011-11-15T01:03:24.652-05:002011-11-15T01:03:24.652-05:00Is the picture with this blog entry supposed to be...Is the picture with this blog entry supposed to be Espinosa? I don't recognize the face or the shoes.<br /><br />If it's him, it really doesn't look like him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-79797413029852130172011-11-14T21:36:42.460-05:002011-11-14T21:36:42.460-05:00Ladson notes that both Nix and Hairston might be o...Ladson notes that both Nix and Hairston might be on the Nats shopping list. I'd like that a lot. Hairston in particular because of flexibility and willingness to do everything, but Nix too for all the usual reasons - talent, performance, chemistry,and effort. I heard Jimbo interview Hariston last week and it sounded like Jerry was hoping for a starting gig, but Bowden theorized that Jerry would have to consider contract value as well. No recent mention of Ankiel, but judging from the many MLB Trade Rumors notes, he is a popular target. Rosenthal predicts Livon ends up in Miami (which would be good for Livon) I have not seen anything on Pudge, Gomes, Cora, or Coffey. Anyone seen anything on them?whatsanattaunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-40143405877863428162011-11-14T20:55:01.839-05:002011-11-14T20:55:01.839-05:00Avar: I did not have a vote for Rookie of the Year...Avar: I did not have a vote for Rookie of the Year this season. I did vote for NL MVP, and I'll reveal my ballot when that award is announced next Tuesday.<br /><br />To those wondering about what constitutes a rookie: You must have fewer than 130 at-bats or 50 innings pitched, and you must have spent fewer than 45 days on the active, big-league roster (days in September, when rosters have expanded, don't count).<br /><br />So Storen obviously didn't qualify as a rookie this year. But Chris Marrero, Steve Lombardozzi, Brad Peacock and Tommy Milone will qualify as rookies next year.Mark Zuckermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13525315258889435961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-31074155906568376752011-11-14T19:48:08.816-05:002011-11-14T19:48:08.816-05:00Wally said...
I am not surprised that Ram Moose g...Wally said... <br />I am not surprised that Ram Moose got more votes than Espy. Even going by WAR, Ramos had about 200 fewer PAs for just slightly less WAR. Plus, if you could only take one of those guys, which would it be? They both play important defensive positions, maybe C is a little more important, but I think that their second halves suggest that many people would take Ramos.<br /><br />It is always difficult to know what counts in ROY votes. Best season? Best potential? Some combination? I don't think all voters use the same criteria. If you look at the AL, you could make a case that there are three others who were rookies last year that you would probably take ahead of Hellickson, and certainly Trumbo: Ackley, Hosmer and Jennings. Maybe Brett Lawrie, too. <br /><br />November 14, 2011 7:16 PM <br />______________________________<br /><br />I love this NatsInsider. Totally slipped by mind on the cumulative nature of WAR.<br /><br />Good analysis on Ramos. My eyes kept telling me he is a gem.<br /><br />Proud member of the RAM MOOSE is LOOSE Fan ClubGonatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-73918826299026682492011-11-14T19:39:51.696-05:002011-11-14T19:39:51.696-05:00Also, is Espy really a switch hitter? Maybe he sho...<i>Also, is Espy really a switch hitter? Maybe he should try to hit RH's from the right side of the plate this spring?</i><br /><br />He gets 1000 at bats and then if it's not really working they likely ask him to bat right handed exclusively.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-57468754987705396132011-11-14T19:16:15.924-05:002011-11-14T19:16:15.924-05:00I am not surprised that Ram Moose got more votes t...I am not surprised that Ram Moose got more votes than Espy. Even going by WAR, Ramos had about 200 fewer PAs for just slightly less WAR. Plus, if you could only take one of those guys, which would it be? They both play important defensive positions, maybe C is a little more important, but I think that their second halves suggest that many people would take Ramos.<br /><br />It is always difficult to know what counts in ROY votes. Best season? Best potential? Some combination? I don't think all voters use the same criteria. If you look at the AL, you could make a case that there are three others who were rookies last year that you would probably take ahead of Hellickson, and certainly Trumbo: Ackley, Hosmer and Jennings. Maybe Brett Lawrie, too.Wallynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-32797727078727318522011-11-14T18:36:28.374-05:002011-11-14T18:36:28.374-05:00SCNatsFan said...
I love Sheehan's line "...SCNatsFan said...<br />I love Sheehan's line "the 2016 World Champions" but lets move it to, say 2014<br />--------------------------------------------------------------<br />2014? Screw that. I'm seriously thinking 2012. Okay, 2013.<br /> Also, Ramos and Espy are about right in the voting for ROY, IMHO.<br />Also, is Espy really a switch hitter? Maybe he should try to hit RH's from the right side of the plate this spring?Joe Seamheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17000259234420985114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-28018238493175935202011-11-14T17:55:15.225-05:002011-11-14T17:55:15.225-05:00Did you have a vote Mark? If so, how did you vote...Did you have a vote Mark? If so, how did you vote? I can't stand that a closer won. I continue to be irritated by recent elevation of that role. I think the major league average for teams winning games they lead in the 9th is 90% but I can't find support for it lately. If you move Kimbrall way down (or off altogether) then I don't have big objections. But I think Ramos' performance was the most impressive as catcher is the hardest position.Avarhttp://natsinsider.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-91492969352228367882011-11-14T17:25:19.902-05:002011-11-14T17:25:19.902-05:00JamesFan said...
I would not trade the two Nats p...JamesFan said... <br />I would not trade the two Nats players on this list for the Atl players above them. <br /><br />November 14, 2011 3:14 PM <br />______________________________<br /><br />Agreed, not a chance. Not a fan of Freddie Freeman. Kimbrel is a heck of a reliever but the Nats have a guy named Storen.<br /><br />Congrats to Wilson Ramos & Danny Espinosa.Gonatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-36362554013708312372011-11-14T17:16:19.208-05:002011-11-14T17:16:19.208-05:00Catcher is a tougher position than 1st base. I gue...Catcher is a tougher position than 1st base. I guess if you go by the almighty WAR, it should have been Espinosa, Ramos, Freeman.<br /><br />I see Wilson Ramos and Danny Espinosa as integral parts of the Nats future. Happy for both that they got votes.<br /><br />Personally, I put Ramos ahead of Espinosa with the way they ended the season.Anonymous8noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-74657907330134529252011-11-14T17:15:17.019-05:002011-11-14T17:15:17.019-05:00Its nice to have two of our youngsters mentioned o...Its nice to have two of our youngsters mentioned on the ROY list, even though they didn't win. I hope Danny figures out how to make adjustments at the plate, but there is that thing called the sophomore slump, so I'm prepared to wait until his third year for his stardom. I expect great things from Wilson also. GYFNG!!!SonnyG10https://www.blogger.com/profile/06568010128457246433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-21211382855345562622011-11-14T16:59:51.988-05:002011-11-14T16:59:51.988-05:00How quickly we forget. Right you are everyone. St...How quickly we forget. Right you are everyone. Storen apparently wasn't a rookie. Kimbrel actually had his MLB debut 10 days before Storen and appeared in 21 games in 2010. I guess there's a dividing line there somewhere. Number of games? Time on the 25 man roster? I'll google it.Section 222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-27446183404313975342011-11-14T16:50:41.767-05:002011-11-14T16:50:41.767-05:00222:
If you are wondering why Storen didn't g...222:<br /><br />If you are wondering why Storen didn't get any mention for ROY this year its pretty obvious that he was not a rookie. He made his first appearance for our Nats in May of 2010. Otherwise I don't understand what you mean.sjm308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-51294335671103467552011-11-14T16:47:39.428-05:002011-11-14T16:47:39.428-05:00I'd take Kimbrell and Worley ahead of Ramos or...I'd take Kimbrell and Worley ahead of Ramos or Espinosa. Pitching first. If the Nats did not have Morse slotted at first for 2013-16, I'd take Freeman over Espinosa as well.Binx Bollingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-10000340567370517802011-11-14T16:47:12.271-05:002011-11-14T16:47:12.271-05:00Section 222, I'm fairly certain that Drew Stor...Section 222, I'm fairly certain that Drew Storen was not considered a rookie this year. Remember, he came up in May last year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-91418915961535623362011-11-14T16:38:56.617-05:002011-11-14T16:38:56.617-05:00I have to agree with JamesFan and noirelune. I...I have to agree with JamesFan and noirelune. I'll keep Espi and Ramo and leave Kimbrel and Freeman to the Braves. But that doesn't mean that the voting this year was wrong. Espi wasn't just brought down by his batting average. He had a really lackluster second half at the plate overall. We all hope and expect that in future years he won't run out of gas, or will learn to make adjustments against pitchers who have figured him out. Ramo had a very solid rookie year, but he only played 113 games. Ok, Buster Posey only played 108 in 2010, but he had an OPS of .862 and and OPS+ of 133 (compare Ramos's .779/113). I'd love to see Ramo play 130 or even 140 games next year.<br /><br />I wonder whether Kimbrel will take the John Smolz/David Price/and maybe Neftali Feliz route and become a starter at some point. If so, he'd be alot more valuable to the team than if he stays a closer.<br /><br />It's fascinating that Ramo got more votes than Espi. I wonder how many of us would have predicted that result, or voted that way, before the events of the last week.<br /><br />And speaking of closers, Storen didn't get any mention at all even though he had only three fewer saves and a better WHIP (1.022 vs. 1.039) than Kimbrel. I'm not saying he should have won ROY, but that seems a little questionable. If you think that being a closer has the kind of value that qualifies for ROY consideration, shouldn't Storen have received some mention? Anyone have a theory on that?Section 222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-37878934832882486142011-11-14T16:23:34.500-05:002011-11-14T16:23:34.500-05:00ow cool that two of our babies (or former babies) ...ow cool that two of our babies (or former babies) are on this list! We haven't had that since Zimm was a lad. Rooting for two high finishers next year, too.JaneBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04882101532666365432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-84823783749352330722011-11-14T16:07:32.880-05:002011-11-14T16:07:32.880-05:00"Ramos also received one second-place vote (f..."Ramos also received one second-place vote (from the Hosuton Chronicle's Zachary Levine)"<br /><br />who voted for Espinosa?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-16655795436131577462011-11-14T16:05:47.381-05:002011-11-14T16:05:47.381-05:00I love Sheehan's line "the 2016 World Cha...I love Sheehan's line "the 2016 World Champions" but lets move it to, say 2014.SCNatsFannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-31244892111312415742011-11-14T16:02:27.253-05:002011-11-14T16:02:27.253-05:00I totally agree with you JamesFan.I totally agree with you JamesFan.noirelunenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-20413599257382896532011-11-14T15:48:51.125-05:002011-11-14T15:48:51.125-05:00I just saw si.com article on the AFL. The Nationa...I just saw si.com article on the AFL. The Nationals were the the only team with two players listed.<br /><br />http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/joe_sheehan/11/10/arizona.fall.league/index.htmlTcostantnoreply@blogger.com