tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post4862449687473710157..comments2024-02-15T05:42:18.307-05:00Comments on Nats Insider: An "insane" pitching staff dominates againMark Zuckermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13525315258889435961noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-64251973395016264632012-06-24T16:08:30.585-04:002012-06-24T16:08:30.585-04:00Bottom line: I don't think Davey was stung. It...<i>Bottom line: I don't think Davey was stung. It just part of dealing with the nagging injuries that so many players get, and so many work through, over the course of a long season. </i><br /><br />Yes, that, and ... he believes (and I agree, FWIW) he's still helping the team win, with his glove. And he probably believes that maybe today's the day he goes 2 for 4 with an RBI. And he was trying to gut it out for the "hard" part of the schedule, which is over after this weekend.Holden Baroquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05941566402992955387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-67101073404077706062012-06-24T16:03:00.693-04:002012-06-24T16:03:00.693-04:00but right now, [Zim] can sit the minimum of 15, an...<i>but right now, [Zim] can sit the minimum of 15, and rest for 18 without missing any additional games. </i><br /><br />Yes, but ... isn't the whole point of taking him out of the lineup to have him miss games?Holden Baroquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05941566402992955387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-73513644304734962512012-06-24T12:14:18.893-04:002012-06-24T12:14:18.893-04:00OMG I just checked RZ's OPS over last seven da...OMG I just checked RZ's OPS over last seven days: .174, that's ugly.<br /><br />Even in his mini-slump, Harper has more BBs than SOs, 4 vs 3.Faraz Shaikhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00633161449674428190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-16093908572222491622012-06-24T11:58:24.034-04:002012-06-24T11:58:24.034-04:00Correct me if I'm wrong . . , ri qualify for l...Correct me if I'm wrong . . , ri qualify for league leaders, you need 3.1 PA for every game your team has played. Nats have played 69 games. So, after today, 70 * 3.1 = 217<br /><br />Harper has 211 PA. So, if he could get 6 PA today, he'll qualify, right? (OK, yes, I know it's doubtful -- when was the last time the Nats batted around 5 times in a games . . . )<br /><br />Also, Harper's mini slump is such that he'd not be in the top 10 for anything anyways . . . but, just getting the landscape down here, seeing where things are . . .A DC Wonkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09732615221598098540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-62518466810105026922012-06-24T11:51:38.595-04:002012-06-24T11:51:38.595-04:00Gonat wrote:
I also think the "sting" o...Gonat wrote:<br /><br /><i>I also think the "sting" of Zim's revelation has possibly shaken Davey to put team before players....</i><br /><br />Nahh, I don't think Davey's been stung. If we could see his trouble with fastballs, I'm sure Davey saw it a long time before that.<br /><br />Davey's a long time manager with proven excellence, and has always had unwavering support of his players.<br /><br />The thing is: yes, team comes first, but team is made up of players. And so that's why you do things like keep playing Espi for so long, because he thinks Espi will _eventually_ come out of the slump, because he has too much talent.<br /><br />And I'm sure that's why Davey gave HRod so much rope.<br /><br />And I'm sure he figured that either RZ would _eventually_ learn to adjust to be able to bat with the bad shoulder, or at least give RZ enough time to keep trying to adjust. (Lot's of players, for example, towards the end of their career learn how to adjust with a slower bat speed, and can still be productive).<br /><br />In other words, Davey had RZ's back on this, too.<br /><br />I'm guessing that RZ finally concluded: "you know what, I can't make the adjustment. I thought I could get it with what I've been in BP -- but I've tried, and I finally have to admit I can't do it."<br /><br />RZ, apparently (at least in Davey's eyes) has earned the right to make that call himself. Perhaps RZ dragged this out longer than he should -- perhaps because he knew he was under the microscope with the new $100m contract and that he'd already been on the DL; or perhaps because he knew so many other Nats have spent so much time on the DL; or perhaps (and I'm sure this is true and a partial reason) he's seen so many other Nats really dig deep, gut it out, and play through injuries. It's hard to give up and say: I just can't do this. Davey apparently wanted RZ to make that call himself.<br /><br />Bottom line: I don't think Davey was stung. It just part of dealing with the nagging injuries that so many players get, and so many work through, over the course of a long season.A DC Wonkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09732615221598098540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-21684604098847993192012-06-24T11:41:50.593-04:002012-06-24T11:41:50.593-04:00MicheleS said...
1/2st.. Several teams offere...<i>MicheleS said...<br /><br /> 1/2st.. Several teams offered EJAX a 3 year deal this past offseason - Pirates and O's if I remember correctly - he came to the Nats instead.<br /></i><br />I suspect strongly that he mostly just wanted to be with a decent team for one year, show off his stuff, and cash in at the end of the year with a multi-year megabucks contract. I.e., I suspect he didn't think his 3-year deals were enough money, so he wanted one year to show his stuff.<br /><br />And so: he will want a nice fat multi-year deal somewhere at the end of the year. It might be in DC, it might be anywhere.<br /><br />Well, that's my guess anyway.A DC Wonkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09732615221598098540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-21636174942937820332012-06-24T11:32:51.999-04:002012-06-24T11:32:51.999-04:00(from last thread re: RZ)
Ghost Of Steve M. said....(from last thread re: RZ)<br /><br /><i>Ghost Of Steve M. said...<br /><br /> NcNatsie, huh, 18 for 15? Zim has to sit for a minimum of 15 days and can sit 18 or 25 or whatever.The only rule is no less than 15.<br /></i><br />Right . . . but right now, he can sit the minimum of 15, and rest for 18 without missing any additional games.A DC Wonkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09732615221598098540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-14171198412526875532012-06-24T11:07:05.211-04:002012-06-24T11:07:05.211-04:00Mr Baseball. Carp is a pro. Let's face it, b...Mr Baseball. Carp is a pro. Let's face it, both He and FP have to be homers for MASN. They pay the bills. If you listen to all the other teams announcers they are all homers (see Hawk Harrelson). At least FP and Bob aren't obnoxious about it.<br /><br />And Carp was great last night. He really handled Verducci - who is a reporter - not an analyst by trade - extremely well.MicheleShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04972863154063796569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-74445943918945360362012-06-24T11:01:50.334-04:002012-06-24T11:01:50.334-04:00All of this pitcher talk boils down in the end to ...All of this pitcher talk boils down in the end to health. If they can maintain current health I don't believe Davey will want to disturb the rhythm he has going right now. Storen is smart enough to realize that this bunch has held first place all season without his services and will accept any roll Davey decides he should have. These things have a way of working out, especially on a winning team. Chemistry will keep these guys heads on straight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-65344712191759020662012-06-24T10:56:45.531-04:002012-06-24T10:56:45.531-04:00Laddie Blah Blah said: pitching and defense is wha...Laddie Blah Blah said: pitching and defense is what Rizzo wanted.<br />I would bet Rizzo and Davey talked nightly about hoping Zim holds down third until the NL/AL gauntlet finished. I think all of us looked at this as an deciding stretch of our season. They wanted stability through these games, Zim's defense, as well as him remaining in the 3 hole was part of that. No shifting people around, arriving at the park wondering where they were batting. With the end of the gauntlet--geez Zim needs the dl and we will have to shift things when we get to Colorado.<br />Bet we can handle the disruption fine now.djinFl.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08510134031791365382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-95661590058499642012-06-24T10:52:40.893-04:002012-06-24T10:52:40.893-04:00Oh. haha. Never heard that Yogi-ism. Good one.Oh. haha. Never heard that Yogi-ism. Good one.NatsNuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17010461380057520589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-88703513583947311972012-06-24T10:39:07.211-04:002012-06-24T10:39:07.211-04:00Yes, I recall that. I believe it was a Yogi Berra ...Yes, I recall that. I believe it was a Yogi Berra <a href="http://www.baseball-almanac.com/quotes/quoberra.shtml" rel="nofollow">allusion.</a> :-)<br /><br />NatsNut said...<br /><br />Carp answered this on air the other day too, but then FP said something like, "maybe he's amphibious" instead of "ambidextrous".natsfan1ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14540238101124316529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-7976701816278967762012-06-24T10:33:41.469-04:002012-06-24T10:33:41.469-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.natsfan1ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14540238101124316529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-12428171072572999422012-06-24T10:32:26.058-04:002012-06-24T10:32:26.058-04:00Good point(s).
Soul Possession, My Hitterish Sof...Good point(s). <br /><br />Soul Possession, My Hitterish Sofa said...<br /><br /> natsfan1a said...<br /> So, is that an Insane Clown Pitching Posse, bro?<br /><br /> I thought of that instantly, but then again, somehow this doesn't feel like a Dark Carnival.<br /> June 24, 2012 10:04 AM <br />Soul Possession, My Hitterish Sofa said...<br /><br /> Although, now that I think of it, it sorta did for a few years, there.<br /> June 24, 2012 10:05 AMnatsfan1ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14540238101124316529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-82023643060568283212012-06-24T10:30:24.085-04:002012-06-24T10:30:24.085-04:00Carp answered this on air the other day too, but t...Carp answered this on air the other day too, but then FP said something like, "maybe he's amphibious" instead of "ambidextrous". <br />_______________________<br />On Harper, from a Bob Carpenter post to the message board on the team site (in response to a reader question):<br /><br />He told me he's a natural lefty, and can throw LH as well as RH. He plays golf LH and said he can kick a ball (not sure if he meant soccer or football ... maybe both) with either foot.NatsNuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17010461380057520589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-12601999141739926272012-06-24T10:29:52.126-04:002012-06-24T10:29:52.126-04:00Hello? Talking about trading ANY of our current b...Hello? Talking about trading ANY of our current bullpen stalwarts (I.e., everyone in the pen today except Mike Gonzalez is just not going to happen. A consistently winning team for years to come -- especially one built on completely dominant pitching like this one -- needs a pen in which the manager can feel totally comfortable giving the ball to the appropriate reliever at any juncture, without having anyone he needs to work around and only give mop up duty. When Druuuu gets back we have that pen (leaving aside Wang wh's not going to be a reliever for long, he'll either go back to the rotation if he finds his stuff consistently or be gone). NO reason to change ANYTHING about it. Would Atlanta say "oh, we don't need Kimbrel AND Venters AND O'Flaherty?". You want a pen of keepers for as long as they last.Steady Eddiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11342496530868597550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-70531341793847871312012-06-24T10:27:01.812-04:002012-06-24T10:27:01.812-04:00Question: Why is Bob Carpenter a much better anno...Question: Why is Bob Carpenter a much better announcer on Fox than he is on Masn? If you listened there was no front door, back door, side door or swing back pitches in his broadcasting both games he's been on Fox. Why can't he be the professional on Masn. I much prefer listening to him on Fox!Mr Baseballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05982448067300955065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-7088495268870008792012-06-24T10:16:20.918-04:002012-06-24T10:16:20.918-04:00And I gladly stand corrected on stating that Store...<i>And I gladly stand corrected on stating that Storen would resume his closer role upon his return. T-Clip not only deserves it, his performances demand it.</i><br /><br />But Davey never said that Clippard will be his closer when Storen returns. He only said that Clippard is his closer...RIGHT NOOOOOW. [/Jerome voice] Because the last thing Davey wants, or needs, is a closer controversy. And he's sure not going to start one...RIGHT NOOOOOW. If he anoints Clippard the closer when Storen returns, he's going to have a closer controversy no matter what. People (and especially the press) will be putting a microscope of comparison on every inning Storen and Clippard pitch. If Storen happens to have a good outing and Clippard has a shaky one, they'll be asking the question. They'll be asking the question if Storen goes 1-2-3 and Clippard walks one guy. They'll be asking the question if Clippard pitches two nights in a row. "Davey, is Clippard your closer tomorrow?"<br /><br />But if he makes Storen the closer when he returns, he nips the controversy in the bud. Because then all he has to do is defend Storen, not keep comparing two guys because the press keeps asking the question. Defending Storen is a much easier job, and less distracting. Because unless Storen is Henry-level awful (and that's doubtful) order will have been restored.The Real Feel Wood. Accept no substitutes.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13147290573966561009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-24886741052342031702012-06-24T10:13:05.589-04:002012-06-24T10:13:05.589-04:00I think the Nats might need to trade for bat. With...I think the Nats might need to trade for bat. With Zimm out for who knows how long and Morse probably playing hurt as well. I just hope if that happens they get a guy with an attitude that fits the chemistry of the clubhouse.Raphael Talismanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07671669060997934950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-65392176228289689302012-06-24T10:08:34.250-04:002012-06-24T10:08:34.250-04:00I prefer "The K Street Rotation." Cant ...I prefer "The K Street Rotation." Cant remember who I saw use that first, but it remains fitting in every way.Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12527451129756102927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-89019485048463550462012-06-24T10:07:14.165-04:002012-06-24T10:07:14.165-04:00Ditto Lady Blah Blah - this is exactly the type of...Ditto Lady Blah Blah - this is exactly the type of team Rizzo set out to assemble, dominate pitching and plus defense. He said as much during the off-season. It's been very impressive watching it come together almost exactly as planned.Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12527451129756102927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-54913335070961923362012-06-24T10:05:16.279-04:002012-06-24T10:05:16.279-04:00Although, now that I think of it, it sorta did for...Although, now that I think of it, it sorta did for a few years, there.Holden Baroquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05941566402992955387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-38467291684154106332012-06-24T10:04:03.514-04:002012-06-24T10:04:03.514-04:00natsfan1a said...
So, is that an Insane Clown ...<b><i>natsfan1a said...</i></b><br /><i> So, is that an Insane Clown Pitching Posse, bro?</i><br /><br />I thought of that instantly, but then again, somehow this doesn't feel like a Dark Carnival.Holden Baroquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05941566402992955387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-25285874675822131922012-06-24T09:55:14.409-04:002012-06-24T09:55:14.409-04:00Faraz Shaikh said...
My favorite Nats player now ...Faraz Shaikh said... <br />My favorite Nats player now is Mark Reynolds. <br /><br />June 24, 2012 8:56 AM <br />_____________________________<br /><br />Great one!Gonathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05622413303529086490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-11665181228224815572012-06-24T09:54:10.458-04:002012-06-24T09:54:10.458-04:00NatsJack in Florida said...
And I gladly stand co...NatsJack in Florida said... <br />And I gladly stand corrected on stating that Storen would resume his closer role upon his return. T-Clip not only deserves it, his performances demand it.<br /><br />What a luxury to have both those guys AND Sean Burnett. <br /><br />June 24, 2012 6:10 AM <br />____________________________<br /><br />There are 2 rules in sports. One is you don't generally lose your spot when you are injured. The other is the Wally Pipp rule takes affect when the injury is long enough that the new player dominates and can't lose his job.<br /><br />I also think the "sting" of Zim's revelation has possibly shaken Davey to put team before players. Let's face it, Clippard has been the best closer in the MLB albeit he hasn't done it for the full season.Gonathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05622413303529086490noreply@blogger.com