tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post4349171465379129604..comments2024-02-15T05:42:18.307-05:00Comments on Nats Insider: VIDEO: Gio, Rizzo on BiogenesisMark Zuckermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13525315258889435961noreply@blogger.comBlogger105125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-3989489528814076382013-06-05T16:26:48.127-04:002013-06-05T16:26:48.127-04:00Well said, JD. What are million-dollar ballplayers...Well said, JD. What are million-dollar ballplayers doing hanging around a fringe dope joint like Biogenesys?<br /><br />What, the 24-hour CVS was closed?Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14778638700744221971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-63251149055504373572013-06-05T16:02:09.360-04:002013-06-05T16:02:09.360-04:00
As far as Gio is concerned. I like the guy a lot...<br /> As far as Gio is concerned. I like the guy a lot both as a character and a player and I love his compete level but I have a really hard time buying the notion that a baseball player buys legal supplements from Tony Bosch. GNC would be a more reasonable destination.JDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10464376699196421043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-79273075050022571222013-06-05T15:59:05.372-04:002013-06-05T15:59:05.372-04:00Here is the Biogenesys deal as I see it:
Tony Bo...<br /> Here is the Biogenesys deal as I see it:<br /><br /> Tony Bosch figured he is probably in the clear until baseball sued Biogenesys. This wasn't going to put him in jail because it's not a criminal charge but it was going to put a large hole in his pocket book based on large lawyer bills.<br /><br /> Tony decided to play ball with MLB in order to rid himself of the legal costs and Baseball is dying to prove that it has turned the page and wants to rid the game of drugs (they are particularly interested in nailing a big fish like ARod and/or Braun).<br /><br /> The union and their lawyers will go hard after Bosch's credibility and they will appeal all the suspensions so unless Baseball has corroborating evidence this is not over by a long shot. JDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10464376699196421043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-81889673765216145152013-06-05T15:48:36.210-04:002013-06-05T15:48:36.210-04:00Ghost,
You shouldn't believe what Mr. Bosch i...Ghost,<br /><br />You shouldn't believe what Mr. Bosch is saying on it's own, without supporting evidence. But if Mr. Bosch is confirming contemporaneous evidence -- receipts, prescriptions, notes, phone records, other individual's testimony -- then his testimony has some meaning and usefulness. As a former boss of mine once told me -- in a much, much different context -- we deal with sleazy characters all the time in law enforcement, intelligence, diplomacy, etc. The key is recognizing that they're sleazy and taking what they say (or promise) with a grain of salt. But you have to deal with them sometimes if you want to address certain problems, whether it be solving a crime (think Mafia informants), trying to end a civil war (think Slobo Milosevic), or encouraging someone to spy for us (remember, they're committing treason against their own government). Liars abound in the steroids world; if you don't work with some of them you won't get to the bottom of the problem.Eugene in Oregonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00321559588541830539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-68581565222604392582013-06-05T15:37:30.199-04:002013-06-05T15:37:30.199-04:00But go you really see Gio as a guy concerned with ...But go you really see Gio as a guy concerned with having a ripped body?baseballswamihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03473384422940931212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-45085559025418937932013-06-05T15:35:58.825-04:002013-06-05T15:35:58.825-04:00I wish we could finally rid ourselves of the ped p...I wish we could finally rid ourselves of the ped problem. In the next CBA they might just approve missing a full season. Right now I think this has something to do with MLB wanting to finally get Braun, who they feel wriggled free and made them look silly. Do you think hitting is down because of the stricter enforcement?? I really hope they settle this sooner rather than later.baseballswamihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03473384422940931212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-65569134017955141592013-06-05T15:33:11.447-04:002013-06-05T15:33:11.447-04:00Right on 222...I'd be very curious to read a q...Right on 222...I'd be very curious to read a quote where acknowledges getting legal substances from the clinic for himself.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00678357994045101892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-4299529397453549212013-06-05T15:32:57.672-04:002013-06-05T15:32:57.672-04:00Great points Eugene.Great points Eugene.Ghost Of Steve M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05745394350047225996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-15521484159087852282013-06-05T15:31:54.353-04:002013-06-05T15:31:54.353-04:00Well, that, or sheer panic, of which his double-tw...Well, that, or sheer panic, of which his double-tweet-length initial response kind of reeked.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00678357994045101892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-65250536743015347762013-06-05T15:31:34.790-04:002013-06-05T15:31:34.790-04:00I agree that would be newsworthy. But he didn'...I agree that would be newsworthy. But he didn't say anything in the video, other than, "I'm here for the diabetes event," or something like that.Section 222https://www.blogger.com/profile/17106128453333996193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-8561933097486965302013-06-05T15:30:54.397-04:002013-06-05T15:30:54.397-04:00"Gio probably did lie. Not smart as the story..."Gio probably did lie. Not smart as the story wasn't adding up. But I don't think he did anything wrong but poor judgment."<br /><br />If lying is the only slip up he made here, it was exceptionally boneheaded. The only reason I can think of for doing it is in hopes of avoiding outright the stain of being affiliated with Bosch/Biogensis in any way whatsoever.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00678357994045101892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-1337425392142195212013-06-05T15:30:25.590-04:002013-06-05T15:30:25.590-04:00Pernicious is a perfect word to describe it Eugene...Pernicious is a perfect word to describe it Eugene. I hope they throw the book at everyone they have good evidence against, including Gio if he's in that group, which it sounds like he isn't.Section 222https://www.blogger.com/profile/17106128453333996193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-74553829864597792412013-06-05T15:29:33.258-04:002013-06-05T15:29:33.258-04:00@Phil Dunton:
I don't see that the two posite...@Phil Dunton:<br /><br />I don't see that the two posited scenarios are exclusive and therefore changing the story. if he is on record as saying that he purchased items for his father and not for himself, that does not contradict stating that he purchased items that were not on the banned list. Am I understanding your point incorrectly?Tonesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07608977610862010897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-39705507770128125772013-06-05T15:29:17.709-04:002013-06-05T15:29:17.709-04:00"I read it the same way too. Gio's story ..."I read it the same way too. Gio's story is moving around like his fastball on a bad night."<br /><br />Did Gio now openly admit getting legal substances? Is that in the video or a quote somewhere? If he said that in the video, then I have to disagree that there's nothing meaningful in it...that would be a huge reversal from the early days of his denials.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00678357994045101892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-14715314792074101862013-06-05T15:29:17.537-04:002013-06-05T15:29:17.537-04:00Tony Bosch singing like a stool pigeon. How can y...Tony Bosch singing like a stool pigeon. How can you believe a thing. He is trying to save his butt and could easily lie. MLB wants their pound of flesh. Gio probably did lie. Not smart as the story wasn't adding up. But I don't think he did anything wrong but poor judgment.Ghost Of Steve M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05745394350047225996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-4716059158381648292013-06-05T15:27:53.553-04:002013-06-05T15:27:53.553-04:00"He is amazing."
Oh, I don't disput..."He is amazing."<br /><br />Oh, I don't dispute that at all. The only reason I don't have a jersey right now is because I can't decide between him and my long-standing favorite Nat (OG Zim).Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00678357994045101892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-12068956177544222012013-06-05T15:27:08.154-04:002013-06-05T15:27:08.154-04:00For whatever reason there doesn't appear to be...For whatever reason there doesn't appear to be evidence against Gio so we can think what we like, in the end you are iinnocent until proven guilty.<br /><br />But I hope they nail Braun and his lawyers to the wall.SCNatsFanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05521403318226328638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-43163255739395033252013-06-05T15:25:05.551-04:002013-06-05T15:25:05.551-04:00Re the Pudge discussion: This is a perfect exampl...Re the Pudge discussion: This is a perfect example of the pernicious legacy of the entire steroid era -- some players were using and caught, some were using (and suspected of using) but never caught, some were suspected but may not have been using, yet are labelled users, etc. And, of course, some players never used and suffered in relative terms. Eugene in Oregonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00321559588541830539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-57666896168926658142013-06-05T15:23:16.521-04:002013-06-05T15:23:16.521-04:00@Phil Dunton:
I read it the same way too. Gio'...@Phil Dunton:<br /><br />I read it the same way too. Gio's story is moving around like his fastball on a bad night. I'm worried too. But baseball is so slow in moving on this, it'll probably be August before they ever issue suspensions. If we play July-August like we did April-May, it would be moot by then.Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14778638700744221971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-9197954016889248022013-06-05T15:22:14.264-04:002013-06-05T15:22:14.264-04:00JZim start last week I believe was an anomaly Eric...JZim start last week I believe was an anomaly Eric. He was suffering from heat exhaustion and needed to be pulled. With this new bullpen, that probably wouldn't have happened and he leaves winning 6-2. Bad luck + bad timing. He is amazing.Ghost Of Steve M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05745394350047225996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-25696795128405957282013-06-05T15:21:16.242-04:002013-06-05T15:21:16.242-04:00phil - Gio's statements and the evidence have ...phil - Gio's statements and the evidence have always been slightly misaligned in somewhat unsettling ways....<br /><br />"Rizzo pushes panic button through a wall,<br />Johnson pulls new lineup out of hat, Nats win."<br /><br />lol, I like it.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00678357994045101892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-55872467650207904202013-06-05T15:20:53.677-04:002013-06-05T15:20:53.677-04:00And for those worrying where Josh Willingham would...And for those worrying where Josh Willingham would play if we freed Willy from Minny, don't worry about it. Harper-Span-Werth have played probably 15 games as our starting outfield. Somebody is always hurt; as is Willy. He could be our RH power against tough lefties when Davey could sit the Kid. Plus, I bet if Willy played 50 games with 200 at-bats for us, he'd hit 15-20 homers.<br /><br />I say Free Willy. Let's get the band back together.Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14778638700744221971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-77091942025361672702013-06-05T15:18:26.888-04:002013-06-05T15:18:26.888-04:00222 said...
Section 222 wrote, "I enjoy read...222 said... <br />Section 222 wrote, "I enjoy reading Boz, but seriously, the headline writer needs some remedial training. His latest column is called:<br /><br />"Time will tell whether the roster shake-up fuels a turnaround for the Nationals" <br /><br />Just read Boz. Agreed. Headline should've read:<br /><br />"Rizzo pushes panic button through a wall,<br />Johnson pulls new lineup out of hat, Nats win."<br /><br />Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14778638700744221971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-76094822247196476512013-06-05T15:18:16.576-04:002013-06-05T15:18:16.576-04:00Good to see they are finally going to nail Braun. ...Good to see they are finally going to nail Braun. He escaped the last incident on a technicality.phil duntonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05517206706881671277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-89461923621430929732013-06-05T15:16:55.228-04:002013-06-05T15:16:55.228-04:00Section 222, personally yes I strongly believe he ...Section 222, personally yes I strongly believe he was using PEDs but I believe his record is clean. Ghost Of Steve M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05745394350047225996noreply@blogger.com