tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post4126856560427236884..comments2024-02-15T05:42:18.307-05:00Comments on Nats Insider: Nats visiting Buehrle's homeMark Zuckermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13525315258889435961noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-19689429342559425752011-11-22T11:38:27.671-05:002011-11-22T11:38:27.671-05:00And as opposed to the Rays who need to dump salary...<i>And as opposed to the Rays who need to dump salary, the Angels are in no need to dump Haren.</i><br /><br />But the angels are in the CJ Wilson market. And they do need catching. Just not a shortstop which is the other commodity the Nats have in plenty. The Nats can also provide left-handed pitching.<br /><br />However, losing Borjous might leave a hole in the outfield albeit Wells is signed on and has to play. And right now Borjous looks like the odd man out for Trout.<br /><br />Haren and Upton are two guys Rizzo knows and likes. Borjous and Shields are obvious. Bur Wright might fit as well. <br /><br />Wright over Buehrle. Harren over Buehrle. Sheilds over Buehrle. Especially long-term contract Buehrle. I think its a bad move. But I suppose the Nats have to make some of those and torture the fans with them. Just seems like we've seen enough with JimBo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-60319123706347720192011-11-22T08:40:06.192-05:002011-11-22T08:40:06.192-05:00Wally... the problem with the Angels deal is they ...Wally... the problem with the Angels deal is they really don't want Morse (would rather sign Fielder on the FA market).<br /><br />And as opposed to the Rays who need to dump salary, the Angels are in no need to dump Haren.NatsJack in Floridanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-71826729992271528832011-11-22T08:05:13.304-05:002011-11-22T08:05:13.304-05:00I am just not sure that package does it, although ...I am just not sure that package does it, although as I said earlier, Morse would be a big piece for them. I would do the trade as you suggested, assuming that the prospects aren't Peacock and Cole.<br /><br />But if we are going to put Morse in a package, going for Haren/Bourjos might be an interesting exercise: would Morse, Detwiler, Norris, Lombo and Bernie be enough?Wallynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-20882455120483131272011-11-22T07:23:16.191-05:002011-11-22T07:23:16.191-05:00Actually, I thought the price for Garza was pretty...Actually, I thought the price for Garza was pretty cheap considering, but you are right on the price for Shields.... it would be higher...<br /><br />As for Morse and Ramos?? I hardly think so....more like Desmond, Morse, Flores and 2 prospects.<br /><br />Remember, the Rays can't afford to keep Upton OR Shields so they will be going somewhere one way or another.<br /><br />Again, this is all conjecture and I sure don't pretend to know how the Nats rank the value of their assets but it sure seems that the pieces are there. <br /><br />And does anyone really think Morse is the future of a Nats playoff run? I like the guy and all, but his value is as about as high as it will ever be.NatsJack in Floridanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-34208491922406151722011-11-22T07:02:40.685-05:002011-11-22T07:02:40.685-05:00Shields and Upton? Could happen, but I doubt tha...Shields and Upton? Could happen, but I doubt that we like the price. I think it would cost Morse and Ramos. We could probably also get a middling prospect out of it. I agree that Shields is better than Buehrle or Oswalt, although I like Haren better than Shields.<br /><br />Tampa is trying to win now, and they need hitting and C, not back end SPs and prospects, since their system is arguably stronger than ours. Morse, particularly, would be attractive to them - great hitter, good 1B, most importantly, pretty cheap over the next two years. I could conceive of trading him, and finding a stopgap or early Harper promotion, but not Ramos and Morse together. At least not with Upton as the CF. if it was a Bourjos type, we would have to think hard about it.Wallynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-88162064427932515602011-11-22T06:08:35.804-05:002011-11-22T06:08:35.804-05:00A lot of interesting early morning comments. James...A lot of interesting early morning comments. James Shields is a top pitcher. The pricetag may be more than what Tampa got for Garza.Gonatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-24993459300159736972011-11-22T05:24:01.469-05:002011-11-22T05:24:01.469-05:00Well.... I am in Florida and the Rays have the two...Well.... I am in Florida and the Rays have the two pieces that the Nats WANT and they Want to move. All I'll say is Price doesn't fit the role of a veteran and the other guy does (they don't call him "Big Game James" for nothing).<br /><br />Upton could come at a discount because there isn't much market for him and the Rays would non-tender him anyway. <br /><br />Remember, this is pure conjecture on my part but I'd take Shields over both Buehrle and Oswalt in a heartbeat if the price was fair.NatsJack in Floridanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-75240268893640436642011-11-22T02:43:24.626-05:002011-11-22T02:43:24.626-05:00Coupla points:
Someone up there wondered about ho...Coupla points:<br /><br />Someone up there wondered about how Rendon might fare at the top of the lineup. I think he'd be dandy as a leadoff or No. 2 hitter, perhaps by 2013.<br /><br />Rendon was the first NCAA player since 1998 to walk 80 times in a season. Rendon's on base percentage was -- wait for it -- .520.<br /><br />Someone else took a shot at Buehrle and wondered whether he would be akin to Jason Marquis. Puhleeze. There is no comparison. Mark Buehrle has a career ERA of 3.83 and a career WHIP of 1.28. Marquis has a career ERA of 4.55 and a career WHIP of 1.43. <br /><br />I have always thought that Tampa is the Nats' likeliest trade partner. Rizzo likes Upton. Tampa badly needs catching and the Nats are stocked with Ramos, Flores, Norris, Solano.<br /><br />If the Nats sign Buehrle or Oswalt, it's certainly plausible that they would then deal a pitcher and a catcher (Norris?) for Upton.<br /><br />Even if Desmond hits leadoff in 2012, the Nats ultimately will deal him away. If Rendon is healthy and Ryan Zim re-signs, Ian eventually will be the odd man out.<br /><br />Rendon is the No. 6 pick -- a great talent with a major league deal. He is going to play. As for Zim, nuff said. <br /><br />If it comes down to Desmond or Espinosa, ESPY's upside makes that a pretty easy call, doesn't it?Drew8noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-18882299703589605452011-11-22T00:41:26.329-05:002011-11-22T00:41:26.329-05:00Dan Haren and Peter Borjous for: Michael Morse, Je...Dan Haren and Peter Borjous for: Michael Morse, Jesus Flores, Derrick Norris, John Lannan, Brad Peacock, Colin Balester.<br /><br />David Price/Jimmy Shields and BJ Upton for: Ian Desmond, Derrick Norris, Brad Peacock, Colin Balester, Chris Marerro.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-52817566398507151462011-11-22T00:30:14.638-05:002011-11-22T00:30:14.638-05:00Sounds like Natsjack is thinking Tampa Bay. Tampa ...Sounds like Natsjack is thinking Tampa Bay. Tampa Bay DOES NEED a shortstop and an decent offensive catcher. They could also use a real first baseman. And the Nats have a decent number of pitchers to exchange for one top-of-the-rotation talent. Natsjack is also in Florida.<br /><br />In other words it starts with Upton.<br /><br />Otherwise, I can't see Milwaukee even though the need will be greater. No CF there.<br /><br />SF might fit the bill. But Gary Brown just finished A+ ball successfully. .336 avg and a .408 OBP fits the ticket. Power, speed, fielding what's not to like? Age 23. However, he is likely the Giant's CF of the future with Melky Cabrera a short-stint stand-in.<br /><br />But of course there are the angels with Peter Borjous; there's Mike Trout ready for the majors and to play CF. Torri Hunter is still there but both Vernon Wells and Bobby Abreu have gotten old and the decline steep. They could use a catcher but do they replace Aybar with an Ian Desmond? Aybar received a gold glove so no ... BUT the Angels do have a guy that Rizzo himself knows well and he certainly might be able to do the job that Buehrle and CJ Wilson cannot ... and that's Dan Haren. Someone who has pitched well beyond 200 innings since 2006. <br /><br />Dan Haren and Peter Borjous for?<br />David Price or Jimmy Shields and BJ Upton for?<br /><br />Blockbuster deals that would cost the Nats dearly. A huge risk.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-68503767076656944832011-11-22T00:16:05.717-05:002011-11-22T00:16:05.717-05:00A lot of good insight here...I've enjoyed read...A lot of good insight here...I've enjoyed reading them. Don't know what to think myself. I would be concerned with Oswald's back and the possibility he could miss a lot of time. On the other hand, he could still mentor even if he couldn't play.SonnyG10https://www.blogger.com/profile/06568010128457246433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-5492842468755784522011-11-21T23:56:23.501-05:002011-11-21T23:56:23.501-05:00I think that I'll pass on Buehrle. Yeah, his s...I think that I'll pass on Buehrle. Yeah, his stuff is a lot like Livo's, but more expensive.<br /><br />Let's reinforce the farm system with Peacock, Milone, or Detweiler. The latter guy can't go back down, so is he trade material?????<br /><br />Buehrle has been thinking about retiring, which is maybe what he should do.NatStatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-11482924096620534542011-11-21T23:47:58.560-05:002011-11-21T23:47:58.560-05:00I just don't think we need to pay that much fo...I just don't think we need to pay that much for a 200 inning guy. Especially since we HAD one, for way cheaper, and he could hit, too. I am curious to know who NatsJack has in mind....but I vote no on this deal. Like that matters.JaneBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04882101532666365432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-15894987956117312662011-11-21T23:16:36.210-05:002011-11-21T23:16:36.210-05:00Gonat, their 2011 starters are free agents. They h...Gonat, their 2011 starters are free agents. They have a crop of up and comings.Soul Possession, PFB Sofahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891662837668214475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-19328942049175722232011-11-21T23:04:29.938-05:002011-11-21T23:04:29.938-05:00Not sure what will happen with Buehrle, but you do...Not sure what will happen with Buehrle, but you do NOT want Adam Jones on this team -- poor OB%, Ops inflated by Camden Yards, over-rated as a fielder, bad attitude, arrogant, poor clubhouse presence. Pass on this guy, if he's even being considered. And NONE, not one, of the Balto. young starters are proven to be any more than a #3- #4, at best.<br /><br />Britton looks very promising, but if hitters learn to lay off that sinker down the middle and out of the strike zone, he's got nothing else.Stevehttp://www.moonstruckoverwashington.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-46255711228507883662011-11-21T22:50:13.709-05:002011-11-21T22:50:13.709-05:00I think that the nats will sign buehrle, trade ber...I think that the nats will sign buehrle, trade bernadina, peacock, and lannan for yankee's brett gardnerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-81402724124123574582011-11-21T22:30:07.788-05:002011-11-21T22:30:07.788-05:00The Braves appear willing to trade many players in...The Braves appear willing to trade many players including Jurrjens and you have to wonder if Bourn who is a Free Agent next year will be on the move.<br /><br />Problem as I see it is most teams don't like to trade within their division.Anonymous8noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-33817667459329311582011-11-21T22:28:00.906-05:002011-11-21T22:28:00.906-05:00Sec3, Oakland's entire starting outfield are F...Sec3, Oakland's entire starting outfield are Free Agents (Willingham, Crisp, DeJesus)Gonatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-50242337712107853102011-11-21T22:04:28.683-05:002011-11-21T22:04:28.683-05:00Guess the Surprise Trade
Ok, I'll play.
Pitch...Guess the Surprise Trade<br />Ok, I'll play.<br /><br />Pitcher + Outfielder for maybe a pitcher and catcher?<br />Think Oakland.Soul Possession, PFB Sofahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891662837668214475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-32282131533267825422011-11-21T21:24:26.278-05:002011-11-21T21:24:26.278-05:00I have been in the Buehrle & Crisp camp with S...I have been in the Buehrle & Crisp camp with SteveM and NatsJack when it was first mentioned. If either comes to fruition, very impressive research. <br /><br />Just a very weak FA market. It appears that a CF may come from a trade and if it does, I can only see 2 that look like a fit: Bourjous and Adam Jones. <br /><br />Preferably the Nats need some more RH outfielders with all the lefties in the system.Gonatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-44905236744162470102011-11-21T21:02:42.649-05:002011-11-21T21:02:42.649-05:00Natsjack:
I want to play the game as well.
Adam J...Natsjack:<br /><br />I want to play the game as well.<br />Adam Jones and one of the young Oriole pitchers??(I realize this doesn't meet Rizzo's wishes but its the only option I haven't seen yet.)<br />We give up LaRoche & Desmond and one of our young pitchers (they obviously don't need a catcher).sjm308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-34047503513059947642011-11-21T20:50:18.865-05:002011-11-21T20:50:18.865-05:00MicheleS, Gonat: I'm with you in that Buehrle ...MicheleS, Gonat: I'm with you in that Buehrle is a nice fit as a LH#3 behind JZimm & Strasburg as RH#1/2, and probably has a lot to offer both Lannan & Milone as similar soft-tossing LH pitchers about pitching for outs at the ML level. The critical question would be, what contract length is he looking for? <br /><br />If it's absolutely more than 3 years, I think Rizzo says "Thanks, but no thanks" and moves on to Oswalt or Darvish as other options, even though they're both RH, or stays the course with JZimm/Strasburg/Lannan/Wang/Detwiler or Milone to open 2012. The team still needs two LHSP to counter PHI & ATL, imo.BinMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-40172373821304916362011-11-21T20:49:00.913-05:002011-11-21T20:49:00.913-05:00Price or Shields and Upton. Cost high.Price or Shields and Upton. Cost high.Jeevesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-36857554959935416112011-11-21T19:49:49.264-05:002011-11-21T19:49:49.264-05:00NatsJack, you've got me in suspense. I've ...NatsJack, you've got me in suspense. I've been thinking for a while about how well we match up with the Whit Sox. Are you maybe suggesting one of Danks or Floyd and Quentin?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-69672775661605241722011-11-21T19:19:14.225-05:002011-11-21T19:19:14.225-05:00MicheleS, I'm not going to light you up. Many ...MicheleS, I'm not going to light you up. Many of us have said that for a while. The Nats need a pitcher who can be another 3.50 ERA guy, get deep in the game, and be a Veteran leader and its a bonus if he is a lefty.Gonatnoreply@blogger.com