tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post4007923599196740517..comments2024-02-15T05:42:18.307-05:00Comments on Nats Insider: Zimmermann, Gorzelanny sign 1-year dealsMark Zuckermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13525315258889435961noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-58582391769031119312012-01-17T20:47:34.629-05:002012-01-17T20:47:34.629-05:00omg u no me so well 1a lol roflmaoomg u no me so well 1a lol roflmaoScooterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16212781754082333423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-41885054499807582852012-01-17T18:26:33.516-05:002012-01-17T18:26:33.516-05:00Scooter, did you happen to be texting a "zOMG...Scooter, did you happen to be texting a "zOMG!1! JORDAN's signed!!1" message to somebody in the midst of reading the item? Because that type of activity could be distracting. Or so I've heard. Not that I ever text, mind you. Okay, I do. :-)natsfan1anoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-39892659636149327352012-01-17T17:39:04.101-05:002012-01-17T17:39:04.101-05:00Not sure how I missed the "1-year" part ...Not sure how I missed the "1-year" part ...Scooterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16212781754082333423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-33473944277668423852012-01-17T16:13:55.038-05:002012-01-17T16:13:55.038-05:00Yippee!!!!!
I knew JORDAN would never leave me.Yippee!!!!!<br /><br />I knew JORDAN would never leave me.Scooterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16212781754082333423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-11630375665095006252012-01-17T15:52:47.539-05:002012-01-17T15:52:47.539-05:00Steve M., understood, just pointing out that he is...Steve M., understood, just pointing out that he is starting from behind bj, although last year goes a good ways toward catching up. If Morse, had earned $3 mill last year, he probably would be looking at around 6 this year? with a chance of getting near 10? next year (assuming a similar performance next year).<br /><br />BJ's #'s of course weren't Morse-like the last two years, so his salary didn't accelerate like it could have.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-20349793586229608302012-01-17T15:42:39.795-05:002012-01-17T15:42:39.795-05:00From Mark's Twitter updates on the upper right...From Mark's Twitter updates on the upper righthand side of this site: <br /><br />#Nats come to terms with Clippard on 1 year deal. 40 minutes agonatsfan1anoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-74509820080585347122012-01-17T15:39:42.486-05:002012-01-17T15:39:42.486-05:00In bad news out of Detroit, the Tigers lose VMart ...In bad news out of Detroit, the Tigers lose VMart to a knee injury. Most likely out for the entire season. He is listed as Catcher and 1st baseman and DH.Steve M.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-76596140440136818992012-01-17T15:37:11.994-05:002012-01-17T15:37:11.994-05:00Anon @ 3:24, it depends in large part on what Mors...Anon @ 3:24, it depends in large part on what Morse gets this year and performance. If Morse gets $4 mill this year in a 1 year deal and has another good season he will be near $7 million next year. If he gets $3.5 mill this year then around $6.5 mill next year. None of it is exact. It depends on performance.<br /><br />Upton went from $3 mill in his 1st year of arbitration eligibility to $4.825 last year to $7 million this year on his deal today and most thought he would get $7.65 if he went to arbitration.Steve M.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-24641733675134416872012-01-17T15:24:01.962-05:002012-01-17T15:24:01.962-05:00Morse made $1 mill in his first arb year, while Up...Morse made $1 mill in his first arb year, while Upton made $3 mill, so getting to $7 mill in his third arb year will be more difficult for Morse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-70752515257030705632012-01-17T15:07:15.956-05:002012-01-17T15:07:15.956-05:00Clippard is signed.Clippard is signed.Steve M.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-73260591205028204452012-01-17T14:58:17.403-05:002012-01-17T14:58:17.403-05:00Just because Upton remains a possibility: Marc To...Just because Upton remains a possibility: Marc Topkin of the St. Petersburg Times on Twitter: BJ Upton gets $7MM plus some small plate appearance bonuses.<br /><br />That is BJ Upton's 3rd arbitration year which gives you an idea of what Michael Morse could be making next year which is why 3 years at $18 to $21 million for Morse makes a lot of sense. You essentially buy out his 2nd and 3rd (final) years of arbitration and his 1st year of Free Agency. Any option years on top of that are a bonus to the team.Steve M.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-12110944326261052222012-01-17T14:54:09.005-05:002012-01-17T14:54:09.005-05:00Gorzelanny is obviously the better pitcher of the ...Gorzelanny is obviously the better pitcher of the two.The Jokernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-15528241240202206862012-01-17T14:47:25.470-05:002012-01-17T14:47:25.470-05:00Free Agency may look like a gold mine to some and ...Free Agency may look like a gold mine to some and a mine field to others. Look no further than Ryan Madson. Case study that one!<br /><br />The Gio deal sets a great precedent not only for JZim but for other arbitration pitchers. Yes, not exactly an apples to apples but close enough.<br /><br />As I stated before, just because JZim signed a 1 year deal today won't preclude them from doing a multi-year deal going forward.Steve M.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-12663818188149567932012-01-17T14:27:12.931-05:002012-01-17T14:27:12.931-05:00thanks to Feel and Mr.Oregon: I do now remember t...thanks to Feel and Mr.Oregon: I do now remember the Zimm signing and its good to know that people will keep on working on this even after todaysjm308https://www.blogger.com/profile/01236550495879254916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-25434419006640574842012-01-17T14:21:47.868-05:002012-01-17T14:21:47.868-05:00"mlbtraderumors: Royals announce arb deals wi..."mlbtraderumors: Royals announce arb deals with Hochevar, Paulino, and Sanchez, leaving just Alex Gordon."<br /><br />This was just posted on MLBTR, as SteveM noted earlier about Alex Gordon and Tyler Clippard being with the same agent.Mark'dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-54670238042804481612012-01-17T14:01:09.223-05:002012-01-17T14:01:09.223-05:00sjm308,
(a) There's nothing that prevents the...sjm308,<br /><br />(a) There's nothing that prevents the team and the player from working out a deal even after they've filed their respective numbers. They can continue to negotiate right up until the hearing begins (perhaps even until the arbitrator rules, although I'm not 100% sure about that). Some teams, however, have their own internal policies to the effect that once the numbers have been put down, they stop negotiating. But that's not a formal rule.<br /><br />(b) The deadline insures that if the case does end up with the arbitration panel (or single arbitrator), each side will have had a reasonable period of time to put its own argument/presentation together.<br /><br />FWIW, the system is based on a labor-management negotiations model put together by ex-Secretary of State George Shultz, also a former Secretary of the Treasury, when he was a professor at the University of Chicago.Eugene in Oregonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-23015013322013582932012-01-17T13:56:28.310-05:002012-01-17T13:56:28.310-05:00I was also wondering why the deadline, but I suppo...I was also wondering why the deadline, but I suppose that with the deadline the "cases" have time to be prepared by each side and make other necessary arrangements.Les in NCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-17293340262018765952012-01-17T13:52:45.019-05:002012-01-17T13:52:45.019-05:00We offer a salary, the player offers his idea of a...<i>We offer a salary, the player offers his idea of a salary and if there is no agreement it goes to an arbitrator who decides one way or another (no reaching a happy medium in arbitration). My question is, can both sides throw those figures out and work out a different agreement including mulitple years? If so, why is there a deadline?</i><br /><br />There are several deadlines. (1) The deadline for teams to issue their salary offers. (2) The deadline for players to issue their salary expectations. Those two deadlines have expired as of today, creating a third deadline, which is the date/time/place for the arbitration hearing, where absent an agreement the two sides will present their arguments and the arbiter will pick one of the two salaries. But negotiation is allowed right up until the start of an arbitration hearing, and the negotiated salary does not have to be one of the two submitted numbers. And if the player goes to arbitration or even if the two sides reach a one year deal avoiding arbitration, they can still do a multi-year deal at any time after that.<br /><br />This very scenario played out with Ryan Zimmerman in 2009. The two sides exchanged arbitration numbers and a hearing was scheduled. Bowden, Zimmerman and his agent flew from Florida to Arizona for the hearing, but negotiated a one year contract the night before to avoid it. Then two months later they tore that contract up and Zimmerman signed his current multi-year deal.Feel Woodnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-14172774062822069272012-01-17T13:37:34.780-05:002012-01-17T13:37:34.780-05:00OK: thanks to all for once again giving out excel...OK: thanks to all for once again giving out excellent thought and information. Help me out with one more issue. We have no information on Morse, Clipp and Lannan. I hear Natslady and agree on Clipp and I have read the back and forth on Morse and agree that extending him now actually gives us leverage "if" we decide to trade him. What I don't understand is the procedure in the next few weeks. We offer a salary, the player offers his idea of a salary and if there is no agreement it goes to an arbitrator who decides one way or another (no reaching a happy medium in arbitration). My question is, can both sides throw those figures out and work out a different agreement including mulitple years? If so, why is there a deadline?<br />Thanks for dealing with my incompetence.sjm308https://www.blogger.com/profile/01236550495879254916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-60549849726794482652012-01-17T13:27:45.121-05:002012-01-17T13:27:45.121-05:00MLB.com has a report that if the Rangers sign Darv...MLB.com has a report that if the Rangers sign Darvish, signing PF is unlikely...<br /><br />Anybody know if PF landed here in the last couple of days to tour DC again? He went to TX last week.<br /><br />http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120116&content_id=26362250&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlbMicheleSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-34795433985576168892012-01-17T13:27:40.952-05:002012-01-17T13:27:40.952-05:00Reported values (per MLBTR) are $2.3M for JZimm, $...Reported values (per MLBTR) are $2.3M for JZimm, $2.7 for Gorzelanny. Four down, three to go...BinMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-32738228649611187962012-01-17T13:19:56.680-05:002012-01-17T13:19:56.680-05:00I think Gio is different than JZimm because the Na...I think Gio is different than JZimm because the Nationals clearly think the move to DC will improve his numbers and possibly his control issues as well. Better to lock him in now and give yourself a couple of club options well into his free agency than wait for him to put in an amazing season and demand even more.<br /><br />JZimm was awesome this year coming back from surgery and I think anyone who watched him pitch would come to conclusion that he's fully recovered. But are you willing to bet $50 million on it? There's still plenty of time to lock JZimm up long term but it's worth a full season of playing time to see if it's truly worth the investment.<br /><br />That's my opinion anyway...Grandstandernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-18287047977115000502012-01-17T13:17:32.733-05:002012-01-17T13:17:32.733-05:00Mark Zuckerman, I see you updated with the JZim...Mark Zuckerman, I see you updated with the JZim'nn and Gorzo figures. How do those compare with your estimates when figuring out the Opening Day payroll for 2012?PAY TO PLAYnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-11042515154434266882012-01-17T13:13:43.286-05:002012-01-17T13:13:43.286-05:00Anonymous @ 1:04, that is very kind of you. I wish...Anonymous @ 1:04, that is very kind of you. I wish you signed with a name so I could formally thank you for the kind comment.<br /><br />I am also helped by people giving me perspective although they aren't the blogging types and do want to stay anonymous so I just get to be their mouthpiece. I also have to know what I can say and what I can't say so it sometimes comes out filtered.Steve M.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-82386603135040532162012-01-17T13:04:35.432-05:002012-01-17T13:04:35.432-05:00The thing that keeps me coming back to this site o...The thing that keeps me coming back to this site on a daily basis is Mark's writing. The second thing that keeps me coming back is Steve M's posts and perspective on things. I enjoy his comments as much as Mark's articles.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com