tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post3773535609367016977..comments2024-02-15T05:42:18.307-05:00Comments on Nats Insider: Morse or LaRoche: A comparisonMark Zuckermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13525315258889435961noreply@blogger.comBlogger116125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-18344724998749310662012-12-27T12:27:19.484-05:002012-12-27T12:27:19.484-05:00The big thing that I don't think enough people...The big thing that I don't think enough people are mentioning about the qualifying offer is that the team that signs LaRoche, outside of the nationals of course, ALSO loses part of their draft money allotment along with the pick they lose. That means teams will have an even tighter draft budget which is probably a bigger reason than just losing the pick.<br /><br />For those discussing the sign and trade angle MLB has already come out and say it is not allowed and will be viewed as collusion between the teams and there would be consequences.PDowdy83https://www.blogger.com/profile/11914833357697907700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-58501706687559833032012-12-27T08:25:48.555-05:002012-12-27T08:25:48.555-05:00Would like to see a resolution, of course, but am ...Would like to see a resolution, of course, but am not anxious about it. There's plenty to worry about outside of baseball, after all. :-)<br /><br />natsfan1ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14540238101124316529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-47902146574971466582012-12-27T05:28:22.971-05:002012-12-27T05:28:22.971-05:00/boston-red-sox-adam-laroche-mike-napoli-hip-washi...<a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/boston-red-sox-adam-laroche-mike-napoli-hip-washington-nationls-texas-rangers-122612" rel="nofollow">/boston-red-sox-adam-laroche-mike-napoli-hip-washington-nationls-texas-rangers</a><br /><br />http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/boston-red-sox-adam-laroche-mike-napoli-hip-washington-nationls-texas-rangers-122612NatsLadyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06814911056080758503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-91173313763614318182012-12-27T01:05:49.308-05:002012-12-27T01:05:49.308-05:00I'm thinking it doesn't much matter who wi...I'm thinking it doesn't much matter who will play first for the Nationals. Sure, LaRoche's defense is superb and might add a win or two, but over a 162 game season I'm not sure it would be a difference maker.<br /><br />Also, compare LaRoche, Morse and Tyler Moore below. LaRoche's numbers are actual from 2012, Moore's are based on 2012 with the same number of at-bats as LaRoche and Morse is based on his career numbers with Washington at 571 at-bats:<br /><br />LaRoche: .271-33-100, .343 obp<br />Morse: .296-30-93, .345 obp<br />Moore: .263-37-107, .327 obp<br /><br />I think the offense is strong enough to support even an average season from their first baseman, say .265-20-85.<br /><br />I think any of them would provide that easily.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07511258100772625570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-25568671678221923132012-12-26T23:28:49.137-05:002012-12-26T23:28:49.137-05:00I am not in a hurry anymore. I don't care whi...I am not in a hurry anymore. I don't care which way it gets resolved now. All the opinions expressed herein show me there will be good and bad with any decision. GYFNG!!!SonnyG10https://www.blogger.com/profile/06568010128457246433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-82549460080513875422012-12-26T22:51:33.213-05:002012-12-26T22:51:33.213-05:00The teams offer as little as they can, and the pla...<i>The teams offer as little as they can, and the players reject that until it's clear they're not getting a better offer anywhere else.</i><br /><br />It's good to keep in mind that, even if we are eager, anxious even, for a resolution, the GMs and players aren't necessarily in any hurry.Holden Baroquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05941566402992955387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-79388041521873488572012-12-26T21:19:52.754-05:002012-12-26T21:19:52.754-05:00Why would they wait for a bidding war. If they kne...<i>Why would they wait for a bidding war. If they knew they would offer 3 years, they would offer the cheapest 3 years.</i><br /><br />Maybe they already have. That's how bidding wars work. The teams offer as little as they can, and the players reject that until it's clear they're not getting a better offer anywhere else. Just because a team says they're not offering a third year now doesn't mean they won't offer it later if that's what it takes to get a player they want.The Real Feel Wood. Accept no substitutes.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13147290573966561009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-531535251409237962012-12-26T20:34:01.824-05:002012-12-26T20:34:01.824-05:00Texas, of all teams, had the most reason to suspec...Texas, of all teams, had the most reason to suspect Napoli would fail his physical and the next move would be for the Red Sox go for LaRoche. Why would they wait for a bidding war. If they knew they would offer 3 years, they would offer the cheapest 3 years. Maybe they were waiting for Rizzo to withdraw his 2 years, but I doubt it. I also doubt the O's will bid on LaRoche--they will wait and see if Morse becomes available.NatsLadyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06814911056080758503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-29054701674809927482012-12-26T20:29:17.083-05:002012-12-26T20:29:17.083-05:00NatsLady, Loshe costs them a draft pick too. Saw H...NatsLady, Loshe costs them a draft pick too. Saw Heyman/Rosenthal on MLB Tonight discussing the whole compensation pick debate. They all agree it is having an impact on Bourn, Loshe, LaRoche, etc.<br /><br />Feel, sorry, don't think the O's will be going in on LaRoche either, that talk has all died down - not that I ever believed they were really in on him.MicheleShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04972863154063796569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-61000578847807190462012-12-26T20:10:07.745-05:002012-12-26T20:10:07.745-05:00I think Texas is out of the picture; if they were ...<i>I think Texas is out of the picture; if they were going for three years on LaRoche they probably already would have done it.</i><br /><br />No, they will wait until the bidding war begins. Why go for three years until they have to? Same with the Orioles. Now that the Red Sox are getting back in on LaRoche, the bidding may soon begin. The dominoes are starting to fall.The Real Feel Wood. Accept no substitutes.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13147290573966561009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-58195412628217995662012-12-26T19:40:25.073-05:002012-12-26T19:40:25.073-05:00MicheleS, do you think the Red Sox would go for Lo...MicheleS, do you think the Red Sox would go for Lohse?NatsLadyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06814911056080758503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-37713397205330098232012-12-26T19:38:42.911-05:002012-12-26T19:38:42.911-05:00Several commenters (including myself) have conside...Several commenters (including myself) have considered the feasibility of keeping both Morse and LaRoche. I think something like that could happen--it's not that expensive to keep Morse until the trade deadline, at which point he's gone for a relief pitcher and a PTBNL or whatever we need at that point. There will be some good pickings--there usually are--from teams who know by that point they are not contending. Or, if there are injuries and he's tearing up the track, he stays. It might not be to his liking but depth, baby, depth. And a very strong bench, that's for sure.NatsLadyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06814911056080758503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-62244326866466981612012-12-26T19:30:35.183-05:002012-12-26T19:30:35.183-05:00NatsLady, The only thing I think that is holding t...NatsLady, The only thing I think that is holding the Red Sox back, is their Starting Pitching. Who knows what they are going to get out of those guys next year. Plus they are competing in the AL East, and yes that means the Yanks, O's, Jay's and Rays. I think Ray's will beat them out for sure. Jays, if everything gels, should beat them. Red Sox have a much harder path to the playoffs (even just getting a wild card will be hard for them).MicheleShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04972863154063796569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-36745152172121723062012-12-26T19:26:11.103-05:002012-12-26T19:26:11.103-05:00The Red Sox, after the disaster last year, seem to...The Red Sox, after the disaster last year, seem to be completely reworking their team. They have the money to offer LaRoche. <br /><br />(I think Texas is out of the picture; if they were going for three years on LaRoche they probably already would have done it.) Heaven only knows what the M's are doing, but it doesn't seem like they will be a competitive team next year, so why would they go after LaRoche, he would not be the "final piece" for them.<br /><br />The question is for the Red Sox, is LaRoche the "final piece" they would need to compete this year or next, enough so that they would be willing to pay for that third year when he would be 36? Ortiz is signed for 2 years, so ALR could DH in the third year. <br /><br /> NatsLadyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06814911056080758503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-21744228034586613822012-12-26T19:17:11.259-05:002012-12-26T19:17:11.259-05:00Also, I agree that UZR, WAR, and all the stats we ...Also, I agree that UZR, WAR, and all the stats we have available to us as fans are limited. Remember a while back I posted some comments from a podcast interview with a Baseball Prospectus writer who got a job in the Astros organization? He said outsiders know maybe 8% of the stuff that is going on. He said each organization has the own stats which they calculate, and that they get daily reports on every prospect in the organization from their scouts. <br /><br />I'm as dedicated as the next fan. I don't drink during ballgames, I keep score, I make notes etc., and if a game is on when I'm at work, I watch it when I get home. But that's not even CLOSE to what the professionals do. I saw a job advertised for what a scorekeeper/spotter is supposed to do during a game, I mean, you are lucky if you get a bathroom break. <br /><br />So, yes, I make use of stats like UZR, WAR, and WPA in my comments, but they are not the end-all and be-all of evaluating players--FAR from it.NatsLadyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06814911056080758503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-45792763086622735482012-12-26T19:09:20.232-05:002012-12-26T19:09:20.232-05:00Makes sense. If he doesn't get 3 years he will...<i>Makes sense. If he doesn't get 3 years he will try to come back to the Nats.</i><br /><br />The door to the Nats is closed. He'll budge on the 3rd year if he has to, by taking a 2 year deal with a club or mutual option - which from his perspective is 3 years, but from the club's perspective is only 2. That way it looks like the Nats are being outbid rather than shutting the door on him.The Real Feel Wood. Accept no substitutes.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13147290573966561009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-90446271763303676342012-12-26T19:07:21.230-05:002012-12-26T19:07:21.230-05:00So the question becomes, Sox were willing to give ...So the question becomes, Sox were willing to give Napoli 3 years (no picks involved) will they give Adam 3 with a pick involved? Also, do the Red Sox have the same window in the AL East that the Nats have in the NL East? Nats Starting Pitchers vs Red Sox Starting Pitchers??? Hmmmmm.....MicheleShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04972863154063796569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-38154231251478170932012-12-26T18:40:27.410-05:002012-12-26T18:40:27.410-05:00Get Some Players said...
Further tweet from Royle...Get Some Players said... <br />Further tweet from Royle: Two sources tell me the Sox are going after LaRoche, who's seeking a three year deal. Third source says he won't budge on the years. <br /><br />December 26, 2012 6:00 PM <br />___________________________________<br /><br />Makes sense. If he doesn't get 3 years he will try to come back to the Nats.Gonathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05622413303529086490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-32634689841319505132012-12-26T18:00:48.770-05:002012-12-26T18:00:48.770-05:00Further tweet from Royle: Two sources tell me the ...Further tweet from Royle: Two sources tell me the Sox are going after LaRoche, who's seeking a three year deal. Third source says he won't budge on the years.Get Some Playershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14653997027503590155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-64354986399681701282012-12-26T17:56:04.808-05:002012-12-26T17:56:04.808-05:00Boston writer Jen Royle tweets: Fairly obvious Red...Boston writer Jen Royle tweets: Fairly obvious Red Sox are looking for a new 1B...not fair to Napoli's camp since they haven't cut ties. The guy they wanted is now Plan B.Get Some Playershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14653997027503590155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-76900487452024982592012-12-26T17:53:54.113-05:002012-12-26T17:53:54.113-05:00We used to have guys that went to jail. Now we hav...We used to have guys that went to jail. Now we have guys that go on USO tours. Oh - and they also go to the post season !baseballswamihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03473384422940931212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-23216827931853084582012-12-26T17:25:53.174-05:002012-12-26T17:25:53.174-05:00Is it selfish of me to want both? I think we end u...Is it selfish of me to want both? I think we end up with LaRoche in the end, but I'd hate to lose Beast Mode. It's amazing how far this team has come... There's no Dukes or Milledge in the bunch anymore.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01560316181593146829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-66123712139635096472012-12-26T16:40:24.850-05:002012-12-26T16:40:24.850-05:00I don't think Rizzo is bidding against himself...I don't think Rizzo is bidding against himself. He's got the two-year offer on the table (or not, depending on who you believe), and everybody says he won't go three years. Sounds pretty firm to me.Holden Baroquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05941566402992955387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-20524957738703224262012-12-26T16:37:34.329-05:002012-12-26T16:37:34.329-05:00So, thought experiment:
Suppose, arguendo, LaRoche...So, thought experiment:<br />Suppose, <i>arguendo</i>, LaRoche, the current NL Gold Glove, is a better fielder than Morse. Doesn't seem like a stretch, so to speak, to say so.<br /><br />How many throws will Morse miss that LaRoche would have had, over the course of a year, playing 150 games? Morse is 2 inches taller, so subtract the throws, if any, he might get that LaRoche wouldn't. Two a month, maybe? Fewer? More? <br /><br />Just wondering what you think--how the numbers translate into what we see on the field.Holden Baroquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05941566402992955387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-9210954943453834742012-12-26T16:32:31.882-05:002012-12-26T16:32:31.882-05:00No other team is interested enough in Laroche to g...No other team is interested enough in Laroche to give up a draft choice to sign him. No other team is offering three years. Why are we bidding against ourselves? I suspect the fans who want him re-signed are the same ones who were chanting "Sign Adam Dunn" two years ago. Dunn signed with the White Sox for $56 million over four years, then hit .159 in 2011 and .204 in 2012. Let Laroche go and extend The Beast! Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10436790141290595669noreply@blogger.com