tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post3624859438147376164..comments2024-02-15T05:42:18.307-05:00Comments on Nats Insider: Determining a pitcher's valueMark Zuckermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13525315258889435961noreply@blogger.comBlogger70125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-53049189737489976532011-12-20T22:29:40.666-05:002011-12-20T22:29:40.666-05:00Um, I think yu meant Happy HanyukahUm, I think yu meant Happy HanyukahAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-10657197287414074252011-12-20T16:06:22.820-05:002011-12-20T16:06:22.820-05:00ehay2k said:
And finally - Embraceable Yu?
(I hop...ehay2k said:<br />And finally - Embraceable Yu? <br />(I hope that's the last one.)<br /><br />maybe not the last, but the best so far. <br /><br />and happy hanukah to all our yuish friends.<br /><br />and yes, i know i'm going to hell.can't use my name for this junknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-19847543146323597022011-12-20T13:16:13.181-05:002011-12-20T13:16:13.181-05:00Hey Steve -
A 4 year deal is not idiotic, you sti...Hey Steve -<br /><br />A 4 year deal is not idiotic, you still control the player for 6 years before he could become a free agent. It smart, in that if he lights it up those for years hit hit the arbitration lottery, if not you can move on earlier.Tcostantnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-36687245994365997682011-12-20T11:57:41.291-05:002011-12-20T11:57:41.291-05:00A quick glance at the Chiefs roster shows 4 OFs th...<i>A quick glance at the Chiefs roster shows 4 OFs there. Curran and Brown are both pretty much locks to stay there next year. </i><br /><br />Both Chris Curran and Corey Brown are superlative CF's. And Brown just might still prove to be a five tool with some offense. He does have decent power. But, as time goes by that seems far less a possibility.<br /><br />Both can play CF at the major league level. Both have left-handed bats. Add in Cameron a right handed bat and Bernadina a left-handed bat. <br /><br />Explain how they aren't covered in CF by a decent bench and depth because it sure looks like they are. Its the starter everyone questions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-40961424183032143182011-12-20T11:51:41.390-05:002011-12-20T11:51:41.390-05:00I am with NatsJack on this one. I am not willing t...<i>I am with NatsJack on this one. I am not willing to part with any prospects yet, after it took years to build a respectable farm.</i><br /><br />I'm not so sure Rizzo can't manage to bring the price down. But his strategy is clear and makes sense. <br /><br />Both Purke and Solis, their top two left-handed arms, have suffered with arm problems recently. They just lost another prospect to TJ : Taylor Jordan. McGreary another lefty starter went to school and really didn't get anywhere baseball-wise ... when he finally focused on baseball he too ends up on the TJ roster. Gorzelanny has also suffered arm problems and that goes back to his first good year with the Pirates. He too looks to be on the cusp ...<br /><br />So, they aren't as well off left-handed starter OR reliever for that matter as they would like to be. You look at teams like SF who had an abundance of left-handed starters ... clearly given the NL East that's where Johnson wants the Nats to be.<br /><br />So, they do have Lannan, Milone, and Rosenbaum but all except Gorzelanny are soft-tosser inning eaters. <br /><br />Rizzo wants a top reliable lefty, and since he was outbid for Buehrle he set his sights higher and on a top-of-the-rotation guy ... and finding they are far more costly than Buehrle ... in prospects!! But, it does look like he almost has to do something like this in order to get a good balance of left-handed pitching given the situation with the prospects in the minors.<br /><br />Pretty sure he would trade Lannan if he could get anything for him. But Milone? That guy might actually be Buehrle! Detwiler seems a good bet to ship to the AL and the cavernous park the A's have. But as you can see now you are bleeding lefties. But you probably want to keep Peacock because you just don't know if he might be another JZimm. <br /><br />Rizzo and his brain trust (including Johnson) have to tread carefully. They've made what seem like wrong guesses in Marquis and La Roche, plus possibly Werth. Though only Werth would be a really bad choice if he is in decline offensively. Its going to be a really tough call ... Fielder looks like an easier decision by comparison ... but then, ending up with 2 long-term contracts and players way underperforming?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-28326253600917064702011-12-20T11:35:08.197-05:002011-12-20T11:35:08.197-05:00The Dude Abides,
A quick glance at the Chiefs ros...The Dude Abides,<br /><br />A quick glance at the Chiefs roster shows 4 OFs there. Curran and Brown are both pretty much locks to stay there next year. Add in Harper and maybe Komatsu if he's returned, then you have a full OF there.<br /><br />But my question remains. Who is going to play CF for the Nats? What happens if Werth or Morse gets hurt? Yes, it's only December 20th, but Carlos Beltran is the only half-decent option left. Besides him, it seems inevitable that Cameron and one of the other fodder will be on our Opening Day roster, possibly our starting centerfielder.Willnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-72998609197151998052011-12-20T11:34:52.037-05:002011-12-20T11:34:52.037-05:00Will said...
The Nats stockpiling of minor league...<i> Will said... <br />The Nats stockpiling of minor league free agents is worrying. It certainly makes it seem like they're hoping through sheer numbers one will stick, which doesn't fill me with hope regarding their CF plans.<br /><br />We've now signed, Mike Cameron, Jason Michaels, Xavier Paul, Brett Carroll, Chad Tracy... I know there's more. I hope they're nothing more than AAA depth, but it's terrifying to think what if Jayson Werth or Mike Morse gets hurt... We have absolutely no depth in the OF! <br /><br />December 20, 2011 10:37 AM </i><br /><br />Both Werth and Morse spent time hurt last year and Werth's injuries came from fatigue injuries I believe. I agree that there is very little depth and it is troublesome. If it wasn't for Jerry Hairston's RH bat last season going into spot duty in the OF, the Nats would have been screwed. Too many lefties were on the bench: Stairs, Nix, Bernadina and add Ankiel. Gomes wasn't a good addition. <br /><br />The team hasn't addressed the issue to get another RH outfield bat.<br /><br />By the way, the Cardinals are going after Coco Crisp and they definitely aren't a West Coast team. Just sayin'Steve M.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-82097505927619963562011-12-20T11:23:45.556-05:002011-12-20T11:23:45.556-05:00Tcostant said...
I agree with some of the comment...<i> Tcostant said... <br />I agree with some of the comments here, that the 5 years / $75M isn't likely. When DiceK posted, it was the same thing he was looking for a lot more (closer to $100M), but in the end Boston stuck to thier guns that the posting price does effect the deal. Some great descriptions of leverage here. I think a 4 or 5 year deal at $10M per get it done. You can go shorter and say, if your that good you'll end up getting a lot more in arbitation. Bottom line, he posted, his club wants the post and will push for him tio go, which will still be a lot more than he'll make in Japan.<br />December 20, 2011 11:07 AM </i><br /><br />A 4 year deal is idiotic as that $51.7 million now spread over 4 years is $12.9 million per year. Everyone believes $12 to $15 million with incentives is the deal and based on pride, he may return to Japan if he doesn't get HIS price. He doesn't get any part of the posting fee.<br /><br />Gonat's point above is spot on. In the end, Darvish will cost more than Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee and possibly more than CC Sabathia. If Darvish turns out better than those pitchers, that's where the silver lining is.<br /><br />I still think he will be a good pitcher, and we will have to see how he adjusts especially pacing himself to 4 days rest vs. the 5 to 6 days rest he normally works on. For this type of money, he will have to be a great one!Steve M.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-80845882307638357742011-12-20T11:14:11.445-05:002011-12-20T11:14:11.445-05:00Anonymous said...
Gio's home/road splits the ...<i>Anonymous said... <br />Gio's home/road splits the last two years:<br /><br />2010 H: 8-3 2.56 ERA, A: 7-6 3.92 ERA<br />2011 H: 10-5 2.70 ERA, A: 6-7 3.62 ERA<br /><br />Oakland is one of the better pitcher's parks in MLB. Doesn't necessarily prove anything about how he would perform in a more neutral environment, but just saying. <br /><br />December 20, 2011 9:37 AM </i><br /><br />This is what I was going to bring up. A's pitchers generally seem to disappoint when they go elsewhere like Barry Zito and Mark Mulder. Mark Mulder had 1 good year after he left the A's and fell apart and retired at 30 years old.<br /><br />I would expect a similar falloff with Gio Gonzalez that he will be closer to his road stats although not as bad so maybe a 3.35 ERA....which brings me back to Joe Saunders who only costs you ca$h and would be better IMO in Washington than his numbers in Arizona and doesn't cost the Nats any players.<br /><br />Players I would trade are Lannan, Detwiler, Marrero, Bernadina, Lombardozzi, Moore and Norris and other prospects not in the Nats Top 15. Problem is if you trade these players, who is available on July 31st if the Nats are in contention?<br /><br />Definitely go with Joe Saunders and take your chances on Cespedes. If the Yankees are in, you know you have someone special.Steve M.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-89678647873967485772011-12-20T11:09:00.551-05:002011-12-20T11:09:00.551-05:00Will.... could you please look at the Syracuse ros...Will.... could you please look at the Syracuse roster and see how many people need to be replaced? .... Please?<br /><br />It's not just the Nats....Most teams need to restock several AAA guys every year.The Dude Abidesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-84961852679970789402011-12-20T11:08:48.986-05:002011-12-20T11:08:48.986-05:00Chad Tracy is a good bet to make the team. Plays ...Chad Tracy is a good bet to make the team. Plays first, third, left and right. He once hit 27 homers in a season- six years ago. Cameron and Michaels are likely finished. Paul and Carroll are AAA fillers, Bixler wannabees.<br /><br />Is Craig Counsel a free agent?Binx Bollingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-27437411355887498722011-12-20T11:07:35.865-05:002011-12-20T11:07:35.865-05:00I agree with some of the comments here, that the 5...I agree with some of the comments here, that the 5 years / $75M isn't likely. When DiceK posted, it was the same thing he was looking for a lot more (closer to $100M), but in the end Boston stuck to thier guns that the posting price does effect the deal. Some great descriptions of leverage here. I think a 4 or 5 year deal at $10M per get it done. You can go shorter and say, if your that good you'll end up getting a lot more in arbitation. Bottom line, he posted, his club wants the post and will push for him tio go, which will still be a lot more than he'll make in Japan.<br /><br />Someone asked what is the latest with Cespedes? I read somewhere that this residency requirment is backed up and won't be a free agent 'til January because of it.Tcostantnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-28102543937576351472011-12-20T11:07:32.039-05:002011-12-20T11:07:32.039-05:00Joker, many thanks for the Kim post. Very good.
I&...Joker, many thanks for the Kim post. Very good.<br />I've never allowed myself to consider that Prince Fielder might don the Curly-W. And I'm not going to start now. Keepin' my expectations low...Sunderlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05251102255354124971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-57523060646742422302011-12-20T10:42:22.950-05:002011-12-20T10:42:22.950-05:00what is the latest with Cespedes? Yankees seem to...what is the latest with Cespedes? Yankees seem to be kicking the tires! does that move the Nats out of the market for him????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-49910517916729491422011-12-20T10:39:28.086-05:002011-12-20T10:39:28.086-05:00Constant Reader, FYI, JZimm qualified. The rule i...Constant Reader, FYI, JZimm qualified. The rule is innings pitches must be equal to or greater than games played. Nats played 161 games. You can bet if the Nats had played 162 games, JZimm would have come out of the bullpen for 2 outs... :)NatsLadyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06814911056080758503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-18744193023866955862011-12-20T10:37:25.238-05:002011-12-20T10:37:25.238-05:00The Nats stockpiling of minor league free agents i...The Nats stockpiling of minor league free agents is worrying. It certainly makes it seem like they're hoping through sheer numbers one will stick, which doesn't fill me with hope regarding their CF plans.<br /><br />We've now signed, Mike Cameron, Jason Michaels, Xavier Paul, Brett Carroll, Chad Tracy... I know there's more. I hope they're nothing more than AAA depth, but it's terrifying to think what if Jayson Werth or Mike Morse gets hurt... We have absolutely no depth in the OF!Willnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-8570499308092292882011-12-20T10:37:16.502-05:002011-12-20T10:37:16.502-05:00Admitting that I'm not really working anyway ....Admitting that I'm not really working anyway ...<br /><br />Will, I hope you are right about Peacock. I like him as well. Milone feels like a Lannan replacement (not that there's anything wrong with it; I love me some John Lannan). Much as I like them, I see nothing to convince me Lannan, Milone or Detwiler are #3s on a pennant contender. <br /><br />My two cents in this enjoyable exchange: I'd rather have Gio for '12 and beyond as a legit #3, and spend next off-season talking about how close Cole, Meyer, Purke, or Solis is to cracking the '13 rotation.Constant Readernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-77158478803337534822011-12-20T10:25:33.793-05:002011-12-20T10:25:33.793-05:00Thanks Will. An interesting article. Have to think...Thanks Will. An interesting article. Have to think this system gets changed sooner then later.<br /><br />According to MLBtraderumors...<br />The Nationals announced that they agreed to sign Chad Tracy, Brett Carroll and Xavier Paul to minor league contracts with invitations to Spring TrainingSCNatsFannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-68541377540200514482011-12-20T10:20:04.908-05:002011-12-20T10:20:04.908-05:00Perhaps the Nats could sign Kim Jung-un, reportedl...Perhaps the Nats could sign Kim Jung-un, reportedly a pitcher with a 110 MPH fastball and a curve that breaks nine feet. However, Kim is devoted to his people and love of the Korean people is what drives the Kim family.The Jokernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-64019170058077100422011-12-20T10:16:15.649-05:002011-12-20T10:16:15.649-05:00NatsJack,
As the market for a long term deal for ...NatsJack,<br /><br />As the market for a long term deal for Fielder has slowed, my previous proposal of 3 yrs $70-75 million or 4 years $80-100 million may be possible. A lot of team will have worked out their finances in about two-three years and Fielder would then be a top-tier 1B/DH.Water23noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-40949402583870894262011-12-20T10:15:44.600-05:002011-12-20T10:15:44.600-05:00SCNatsFan,
The posting fee is returned to the bid...SCNatsFan,<br /><br />The posting fee is returned to the bidding team (the Rangers), and the player returns to his Japanese team. He can be posted the next year. The A's did this last year with Hisashi Iwakuma. Put up a huge offer, then weren't willing to negotiate, in an effort to block other teams from signing him.<br />Read about it here: http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2011/12/yu-darvish-and-the-perils-of-japanese-baseballs-posting-system/250215/Willnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-58136065645909120052011-12-20T10:11:13.497-05:002011-12-20T10:11:13.497-05:00Mark Z- What doyour spidey senses tell you about t...Mark Z- What doyour spidey senses tell you about the Gio trade. What Nats are assiociated with this deal according to your sources? I would definitely give up 4 prospects for a 26 yo pitcher!<br /><br />"Is Roy Oswalt better than John Lannan or Ross Detwiler?" My answer yes, in any term Lannan is the Mike O'Conner of 2011-2012 he is irrelevant to the Nats future, if he was in say the Braves organization he would be in AA if he was lucky! Detweiler, just another bad draft pick, unless he is moved to the pen he is worthless to the Nats!BullpenCatchernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-42645471175435848452011-12-20T10:10:41.061-05:002011-12-20T10:10:41.061-05:00I stand corrected about JZimm qualifying this year...I stand corrected about JZimm qualifying this year. I forgot about the rainout and was relying on the accuracy of the search engines. Arguably a comparable year.Constant Readernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-21051911626008307222011-12-20T10:10:40.072-05:002011-12-20T10:10:40.072-05:00Constant reader:
Yes. Peacock and to a lesser exte...Constant reader:<br />Yes. Peacock and to a lesser extent Milone could very easily be a quality #3 (Milone probably #4) pitcher. 2012 might be a little soon (it takes some time to adjust), but certainly by 2013.<br /><br />On top of that, Wang is only signed to a 1 year deal. Only Zimmermann and Strasburg are locked up for the next 2+ years. No one is really blocking these guys. Even with the addition of another SP.Willnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442809928829881676.post-34403458598228151732011-12-20T10:09:28.816-05:002011-12-20T10:09:28.816-05:00"A respectable farm is worthless unless it is..."A respectable farm is worthless unless it is used to yield a high quality MLB club."<br /><br />dfh21, did you say that to Omar Minaya in 2002? It seemed like he took that too seriously.FSnoreply@blogger.com